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From: Brumar895/12/2012 12:10:01 PM
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Poll: Americans like the rich class


Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe that the United States benefits from having a rich class, a figure unchanged from over 20 years ago, according to a new survey Friday.

Indeed, 63 percent of Americans believe that the United States is better off from having a class of wealthy, according to Gallup. Only 34 percent believe that the country does not benefit from having an upper class.


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On this topic, there is a partisan gap, but a majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents all agree that having a class of rich people benefits the U.S. — 52 percent of Democrats, 59 percent of independents and 80 percent of Republicans.

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Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76197.html#ixzz1ufDQ2B36


Liberals hate this about America. But America is not a country governed by envy and resentment.

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (88213)5/12/2012 12:38:12 PM
From: Hawkmoon   of 89447
 
Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe that the United States benefits from having a rich class, a figure unchanged from over 20 years ago, according to a new survey Friday.

Certainly, it does. But being the "moderate, mainstream" kind of guy I am, I certainly do believe there are limits to how much wealth they should be able to accrue, especially if it involves "rent-seeking" on the backs of the (diminishing) Middle and lower class.

Without that Middle Class, this economy is just unsustainable. The Middle Class is what made this country as strong as it was.

So I would be interested in seeing that question posed about the Middle Class as well..

I'm all for competitive capitalism. But what I perceive happening now is monopolistic, and predatory, Capitalism, using it's influence with Gov't to stifle competition. That's closer to Fascism, not Democracy.

Hawk

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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (88198)5/12/2012 12:47:11 PM
From: Brumar89   of 89447
 
Check out marriage-equality.blogspot.com - this site is gungho for SSM and polyamory but seems to push incest (not of cousins or something, but parent-child, brother-sister, brother-brother) very heavily too.

Their case study page is all about incestuous unions. Each line below contains a link to an article:


Case Studies



I have interviewed many people in loving, consensual relationships who do not have the freedom to marry, or even the freedom to just be together without the threat of prosecution by their own government, and bullying and discrimination by others.

A sister married to her brother in every way but under the law

A daughter whose father wants to marry her, and she wants to marry him

A son who wants to marry his mother

A father who wants to marry his daughter

A brother whose lifelong lover is his twin sister

A man whose husband is his brother

A daughter who would marry her father

A sister who would marry her brother

A brother whose brother is his husband in every way except by law

Another sister married to her brother in every way but under the law.

A mother, her son, and her daughter who want to marry


If you’d like to be interviewed, contact me at fullmarriageequality at yahoo dot com.

If you are looking for help, see this page.




Anonymous April 30, 2012 9:15 AM
I'm 17 and my boyfriend is 27. His family(mother, father, siblings, cousins, etc.) are into incest and so am I. My family doesn't know and frankly, I'm not attracted to most of them anyway. We plan on having four children and sharing our love with them in every way possible. I don't know if I will be able to handle not being able to talk to any of my family about it or having them find out and disown me.. the only reason people think incest is wrong is because it's what society has drilled into their heads. I don't know what to do about this. I know it will hurt, having to hide something so beautiful from the people I love so much. ):

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They view 'adult adoption' as a temporary means of union till they get the marital law changes they desire - this is one of their articles:



    Adult Adoption Until Full Marriage Equality?



    Stephanie L. Moll, Lawrence Brody, and Melissa Fernley wrote about adult adoption, citing and discussing the John Goodman case.

    Yes, adult adoption is possible, and is allowed in many states across the country, including Missouri, although a few states require some sort of previous familial relationship. The result of such adoptions is not a traditional parent-child relationship, but rather a legal relationship that creates the same rights and responsibilities as would the adoption of a child. Adopted adults also become heirs of the adopting parent, although some states restrict the extent to which they can inherit.
    Of interest to my readers is this...
    In states where same-sex marriage is still prohibited, some same-sex couples have attempted to legally legitimize their relationship by having one partner adopt the other. This gives them rights approaching those of a married couple, such as insurance benefits, family housing options, and inheritance rights.

    Some state statutes prohibit members of a same-sex couple from adopting each other, or their courts have decided not to recognize such adoptions. Still, many states do recognize legitimizing a same-sex relationship as a valid reason to adopt. However, adoption of a same-sex partner is falling out of favor, as many same-sex couples are now focusing their efforts on attempts at achieving marriage equality.
    It could be something for anyone who is denied the freedom to marry to consider; LGBT people, polyamorous people (in triads or triangles, for example, perhaps there could be one legal marriage and also an adoption), and maybe even with consanguinamorous relationships. Until we get full marriage equality, some couples and polycules may want to get whatever legal arrangements they can. A good lawyer can help any lovers mull over legal possibilities.

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    To: Celtictrader who wrote (88201)5/12/2012 12:56:13 PM
    From: Brumar891 Recommendation   of 89447
     
    Guess it's okay to shove fat girls around on playgrounds.

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    To: Brumar89 who wrote (88215)5/12/2012 12:57:20 PM
    From: Hawkmoon   of 89447
     
    Completely forgot to mention same-family marriages..

    Good find (and argument)..

    Hawk

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    To: Celtictrader who wrote (88201)5/12/2012 1:29:29 PM
    From: longnshort1 Recommendation   of 89447
     
    Muslim Rape, Liberal/Left Complicity
    by Paul Weston


    The liberal/left need to take a long hard look themselves in the wake of the appalling Muslim gang rape revelations. I don’t blame the Muslims particularly, they are simply living by the 7th century rules of a desert warrior, but I do blame the liberal/left for quite literally enabling the brutal rape and violation of our children.

    All you liberal/leftists are complicit in these crimes against humanity. You could have stopped it years ago, but you deliberately chose not to.

    The BBC, The Guardian, the Crown Prosecution Service, the Child Protection Agency, the Politically Correct Police Service: I accuse you and the entire liberal establishment of deliberately covering up the multiple rapes and ruined lives of countless vulnerable young girls because of your utterly immoral and obscene attitude toward your own people, and your cowardly appeasement of a religious and political ideology that sanctions the violation of non-Muslim females.

    Even now, when the facts are presented before us, you tell us it is not a Muslim problem, nor apparently a racial problem, unless of course you happen to be a vaguely all-encompassing Asian. But no amount of politically correct liberal/left evasion can disguise reality, and reality confirms the overwhelming culture of these paedophile rapists to be Islamic, and the overwhelming race of the majority of the victims to be indigenous British girls.

    And this is not just a one-off case. It’s not only in Britain where this sort of thing happens, because the multiple gang rapes of indigenous girls by Muslims is replicated in every country where Muslims co-exist with non-Muslims:

    • There is a rape epidemic in Oslo. The vast majority of the perpetrators are Muslim, the vast majority of the victims are Norwegian Girls.
    • There is a rape epidemic in Malmö. The vast majority of the perpetrators are Muslim, the vast majority of the victims are Swedish girls.
    • There is a rape epidemic in Copenhagen. The vast majority of the perpetrators are Muslim, the vast majority of the victims are Danish girls.
    • There is a rape epidemic in Sydney. The vast majority of the perpetrators are Muslims, the vast majority of the victims are Australian girls.

    I think we can safely say, then, that it is indeed a matter of one particular religion, Islam, rather than the liberal/left’s obscene portrayal of it as simply an Asian problem, and it is indeed a racial problem when the victims are overwhelmingly native Europeans.

    Thirteen separate towns and cities have been identified in Britain where this has been happening, and it now turns out the authorities have known about it since the early 1990s. In other words hundreds, possibly thousands of vulnerable and under-age British girls have been raped and both physically and psychologically damaged for life, with at least two taking their own lives, because the liberal/left refuse to accept the reality of Islam.

    What is worse, even when the whole disgusting issue is dragged into the limelight, they still refuse to recognise that Islam is a supremacist ideology. But Islam considers non-Muslims to be second class citizens, and Islam considers women to be second class citizens. Infidel females therefore can be raped with impunity in the House of War — a Koranic label for all parts of the world which are not ruled by Islam.

    On BBC Radio 4 this morning John Humphrey’s suggested that by identifying the rapists as Pakistani Muslims rather than just Asians was to give ammunition to the right-wing. So the BBC continues to cover up the brutality of Muslim gang rape rather than the face the reality of the modern Britain produced by malignant and catastrophic left-wing ideology. By doing this the BBC — overwhelmingly a feminist organisation — is complicit in the rape of our children.

    Years of indoctrination by the liberal left have produced policemen with no sense of their duty to protect the most vulnerable in society. Politically Correct police chiefs have no morals, no decency, no empathy. They are now driven by the fear of being labelled racist, apparently a far worse crime than racist gang paedophilia.

    And the worse thing here is that I can guarantee not one policeman will lose his job, even after they admitted they wilfully ignored the ongoing abuse carried out on their watch in the interest of some sort of perverted community cohesion. The British police are now more than just a disgrace, they are a stain on the history of this country.

    The left-wing Politically Correct indoctrination that has enabled these shameful events means one thing and one thing only: By deliberately ignoring crimes against humanity and subsequently seeking to disguise these crimes, the liberal/left have lost their very own humanity, along with their morals and their souls.

    If they had any basic common decency they would be ashamed of themselves, but I don’t think they are. Despite facilitating genuine evil and wickedness their prime concern now is to hang on to their jobs and seek to halt the rise of what they term the “right wing” — you know, those nasty people labelled racist — when they drew attention to Muslim gang rape over a decade ago.

    But they cannot stop us. We are rising only because the public are awakening to the results of all that the liberal left stand for. There is good and evil in this world and the liberal left is evil. Betraying your country via mass immigration and Multiculturalism is bad enough, but to betray, and to continue to betray your own children is simply a step beyond the comprehension of all decent people, and no amount of liberal/left propaganda and evasion can alter this one simple fact. For the first time in a very long time I feel deeply ashamed to be part of a country that you, the liberal left, have produced.


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    To: longnshort who wrote (88212)5/12/2012 3:28:59 PM
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    Yes they will. They'll blame anyone, except themselves, for their own lewd behavior and corrupted morals.

    Of course when the pervert scout leaders do molest the boys, the media will not report it.

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    To: longnshort who wrote (88218)5/12/2012 3:32:04 PM
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    To: longnshort who wrote (88212)5/12/2012 3:35:01 PM
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    To: Celtictrader who wrote (88201)5/12/2012 3:40:26 PM
    From: Farmboy3 Recommendations   of 89447
     
    After I read the post again, I have to say I don't believe I have ever seen such a disingenuous piece of shit post in my entire experience of posting on any thread.

    That just goes to tell me you are nothing but a troll, pure and simple.

    No one but a troll would post such a piece of total crap. Not one mention that the "victim" of Romney's 'bullying' said the incident never happened. No, don't mention that part. And don't even attempt to get close to the truth with any of the rest.

    Your entire post was nothing but a 'sore loser' way of trying to get even, in one fell swoop, for all the phony, suspicious, and even illegal activities Obama has in his background .... which you and your liberal butt-buddies refuse to address.

    I hope to hell you didn't pat yourself on the back after posting that one. Even a liberal without any sort of moral compass can readily see that was a piece of largely-fabricated garbage, thrown against the wall in hopes something might stick.

    Liberals are truly mentally ill.

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