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To: T L Comiskey who wrote (12235)1/27/2003 9:33:47 AM
From: Jim Willie CB   of 89448
 
Shania's outfit could be paper machier, still gorgeous / jw

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To: Mannie who wrote (12227)1/27/2003 10:55:15 AM
From: TigerPaw   of 89448
 
You need a teenage daughter to get the scoop on the bands.
nodoubt.com 

I did manage to recognize Sting.

Neither Shania nor Gwen could afford enough clothes to cover their underwear.


austin360.com 
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TP

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To: TigerPaw who wrote (12238)1/27/2003 11:28:57 AM
From: Mannie   of 89448
 
Ah, Thanks Tiger....I have a teenybopper dog, but she wasn't of much help..

I enjoyed Santana in the pregame show.

scott

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To: Cactus Jack who wrote (12231)1/27/2003 11:41:44 AM
From: Mannie   of 89448
 
Cactus Dude...

We completed well #3 yesterday, at the Leper Village. Yahoo!

Here is Mr. Hung's email to me and a photo of success!

---Hi My Friend,Mr Scott.
We uses the pumb that has 5 CVA.The clean water is
very good and so much
I went around at this area,there are some well,most of
them had frome 70-90m deeps,that`s first water
source,all of them just have 3 m3/hour.
The new well ,that we have done at Leper Village had
129 m deeps.It came to second water source,It have
about 12 m3/hour to pumb.All of the nuns and I was
agree that,a new well is the best in this area.
We are building to pave a bit,around of the new
well...
So tired,but we `re very happy and enjoy to see so
much the sweets water have gone to us.
Three pictuers to you ,now.
Hung.

That is Mr. Hung in the photo, and I believe that is a nun that manages the Leper Village, with him:
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To: Mannie who wrote (12240)1/27/2003 11:51:39 AM
From: Cactus Jack   of 89448
 
Scott,

You and they are doing great work. Thanks for the continuing updates.

We take so much for granted, like running potable water.

Here's wishing you continued success with that project.

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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (12237)1/27/2003 3:26:39 PM
From: r.edwards   of 89448
 
I would lick the cream out of her crack ! eom

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To: r.edwards who wrote (12242)1/27/2003 3:45:24 PM
From: Jim Willie CB   of 89448
 
inappropriate language, but fight me to get in line / jw

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To: stockman_scott who wrote (12234)1/28/2003 12:04:38 AM
From: lurqer   of 89448
 
Rhetoric getting hot.

Message 18499534

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To: lurqer who wrote (12244)1/28/2003 12:27:52 AM
From: stockman_scott   of 89448
 
Will we be safer if we invade?


Iraq War: The First Question
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Columnist
The New York Times
January 28, 2003

A new book about Iraq by Con Coughlin describes Saddam's younger son, Qusay, giving a speech last year in an underground bunker before his father and top officials: "With a simple sign from you, we can make America's people sleepless and frightened to go out in the streets. I only ask you, sir, to give me a small sign [to] turn their night into day and their day into a living hell."

The older son, Uday, told Iraqi journalists last week: "If [the Americans] come, what they wept for on Sept. 11 and what they view as a major event, it will appear as a picnic for them."

That Baghdad bonhomie comes to mind now that the U.N. reports have been issued and the debate about invading Iraq moves to center stage. The starting point to justify an invasion, it seems to me, has to be an affirmative answer to the question: Will we be safer if we invade?

The real answer is that we don't know. But it's quite plausible that an invasion will increase the danger to us, not lessen it. As a C.I.A. assessment said last October: "Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks [in the U.S.]. Should Saddam conclude that a U.S.-led attack could no longer be deterred, he probably would become much less constrained in adopting terrorist actions." It added that Saddam might order attacks with weapons of mass destruction as "his last chance to exact vengeance by taking a large number of victims with him."

Frankly, it seems a bad idea to sacrifice our troops' lives — along with billions of dollars — in a way that may add to our vulnerability.

No doubt this seems craven, and I admit there are so many high-minded American hawks and doves that I'm embarrassed that on this issue I'm unprincipled. To me there is no principle involved here; it's just a matter of assessing costs and benefits.

It would be nice to weigh only lofty principles. But the greatest failure in foreign relations in the last half-century has been blindness to practical, on-the-ground dangers, like those that mired us in Vietnam. And it's only sensible to weigh them before leaping into Iraq.

There's no moral tenet that makes me oppose invasion. If we were confident that we could oust Saddam with minimal casualties and quickly establish a democratic Iraq, then that would be fine — and such a happy scenario is conceivable. But it's a mistake to invade countries based on best-case scenarios.

A dismal scenario is just as plausible: We could see bloody street-to-street fighting, outraging the Muslim world, igniting anti-American riots and helping Al Qaeda recruit terrorists. The first regime change we see could be in Jordan and Pakistan, where pro-Western governments have a fragile hold on angry populations. If Pakistan topples, Al Qaeda might gain nuclear weapons.

Moreover, President Bush has undermined the hawk position by the very success of his campaign against Iraq. To his credit, Mr. Bush has revived U.N. inspections, boxed Saddam into a corner and increased the chance that Saddam will be assassinated or overthrown. If Mr. Bush stops where he is now, he will have defanged Saddam at minimal cost.

As the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace put it in a new report on Iraq, the U.S. goal of preventing any attack by Iraq has already been achieved.

"Saddam Hussein is effectively incarcerated and under watch by a force that could respond immediately and devastatingly to any aggression," the report noted. "Inside Iraq, the inspection teams preclude any significant advance in [weapons of mass destruction] capabilities. The status quo is safe for the American people."

Hawks can fairly complain that the status quo may not be sustainable. If we let this chance to invade slip by, will Saddam outfox us and emerge in a year's time with nukes?

No, very unlikely. Inspections were maintained from 1991 to 1998, in which period the U.N. destroyed far more Iraqi weaponry than the U.S. had during the gulf war. Saddam will be forced to remain on his best behavior, and in any case he is 65 and an actuarial nightmare. If we just get intelligence on where he's going to spend one night, then my guess is that we'll respond to Iraqi antiaircraft fire by striking that particular building.

Will an invasion make us safer? That's the central question, and while none of us know the answer, there is clearly a significant risk that it will do just the opposite.

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To: TigerPaw who wrote (12238)1/28/2003 12:56:40 AM
From: stockman_scott   of 89448
 
How good is the intelligence of what's in Iraq?

Not even chooks escape the inspectors' gaze

By Rajiv Chandrasekaran, Colum Lynch
Baghdad
January 28 2003

As muddy labourers gawked and a mangy dog growled, 13 United Nations weapons inspectors swooped on an abandoned farm earlier this month, demanding to enter two locked brick buildings.

The inspectors, a UN official said, had received a tip from a Western government that Iraq might have been hiding Scud missiles inside the buildings. Finding a banned Scud would give the Bush administration the "smoking gun" it has been desperately seeking, providing evidence that Saddam Hussein's government has been flouting UN Security Council resolutions ordering it to disarm.

But when the inspectors finally got inside, after waiting for the better part of a day for the owner to return from a hunting trip, all they found were the remnants of a chicken-farming operation. Because the roof was too low and the doors too small, the inspectors concluded the site had never been - nor was ever likely to be - a missile silo.

The January 15 visit illustrates how inspectors have expanded their activities as they have received more intelligence from the United States and other nations. The inspectors no longer confine searches to ammunitions storehouses, chemical plants, missile factories, university laboratories and other sites that have been connected to the country's weapons programs.

Their agenda now is sprinkled with visits to new and unexpected places, including scientists' homes, abandoned airfields and chicken farms.

But so far, the flow of outside intelligence has not led inspectors to clear evidence that Iraq still has - or is developing - weapons of mass destruction.

US officials acknowledge they are not passing on their best intelligence because they fear sensitive information might be leaked to the Iraqis. But UN officials who believe Iraq still has banned weapons have grown increasingly frustrated that the tips are insufficient to find evidence of prohibited arms.

"We know the Americans have concerns, but if they want to make their case . . . they should be more forthcoming with us," one UN official said.

In the most detailed description of US intelligence-sharing with the inspectors, Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said last week the US had identified the names of Iraqi scientists and sites associated with Iraq's weapons programs that officials believe could lead the inspectors to uncover evidence of activity to develop banned arms.

"We have provided our analysis of Iraq's nuclear, chemical, biological and missile programs, and we have suggested an inspection strategy and tactics," Mr Wolfowitz said in a speech in New York. "We have provided counter-intelligence support to improve the inspectors' ability to thwart Iraqi attempts to penetrate their organisations."

After almost two months of daily searches, the inspectors have been unable to confirm US and British suspicions - outlined last year by the CIA and the British Government - that many former weapons sites and industrial plants had been rebuilt to produce banned weapons.

Inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency have cast doubt on President George Bush's claim that Iraq was seeking to acquire aluminum tubes for use in a secret uranium enrichment program. The tubes, according to Mohamed ElBaradei, the agency's director-general, are consistent with efforts to reverse-engineer rockets. UN officials said Dr ElBaradei would present more evidence to the Security Council to substantiate the claim.

UN officials declined to identify the country that supplied the information about the chicken farm in Dora, a farming community south of Baghdad. Two days after their visit, the inspectors went to another poultry farm on the outskirts of Baghdad based on an intelligence report that biological agents might be hidden there. After inspectors scoured the chicken coops and used ground-penetrating radar to determine whether anything was hidden under mounds of corn, they concluded that the report was false.

- Washington Post

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