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To: Machaon who wrote (26017)7/1/2011 12:30:52 AM
From: SARMAN
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Maybe you can learn something from real historians.
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From: Haim R. Branisteanu7/1/2011 4:59:54 AM
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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (26021)7/1/2011 8:28:24 AM
From: Cage Rattler
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OBAMA ADMIN LISTS ISRAEL AS TERROR SPONSOR

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Published on DickMorris.com on June 30, 2011

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The Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE) maintains a list of “specially designated countries” (SDCs) that “have shown a tendency to promote, produce or protect terrorist organizations or their members.” The folks from these nations get special scrutiny when they enter the U.S.

Here’s the list:

Afghanistan
West Bank
Algeria
Bahrain
Oman
Bangladesh
Pakistan
Philippines
Egypt
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Indonesia
Somalia
Iran
Sudan
Iraq
Syria
Israel
And so forth.

Israel? Yes Israel is one of the thirty-six SDCs that “promote, produce, or protect” terrorists, according to the Obama Administration. With splendid equality, they manage to list the world’s biggest victim alongside the globe’s leading perpetrators of terrorism. Israelis coming into America get the same high level of scrutiny that Iranians do!

This information, which comes to us courtesy of the wonderful website www.ruthfullyyours.com, is as shocking as it is credible.

That Obama has tried to maintain that there is a moral equilibrium between Israel and the aggressive Arabs that surround it is well known. But to list Israel as a promoter, protector, or producer of terrorism is quite extraordinary.

Doubtless some politically correct soul at ICE or in the State Department felt that the U.S. needed to show impartiality in making up its list and include non-Muslim countries. What better rebuttal to those who would claim that the ICE is profiling Muslims than to say that Israel is also on the list?

But Israel’s inclusion on the list, to say nothing of the indignity inflicted on its citizens as they seek to enter the United States, is an insult and must be corrected at once!

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To: Cage Rattler who wrote (26022)7/1/2011 9:08:54 AM
From: SARMAN
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With splendid equality, they manage to list the world’s biggest victim alongside the globe’s leading perpetrators of terrorism.
Why are you surprised? Israel has a history of killing American Citizens. The USS Liberty, Rachel Corrie, Furkan Dogan, etc. Fresh offerings will be handed to the Israelis for slaughter. Sadly, 25% of them are Jews and Holocaust survivors. Are we going to allow Israel to kill more American citizens? I say, G-D forbid, if one American citizen gets injured, we shall have a regime change in Israel. I am sure every American agrees with me, don't you?


Monday, June 27, 2011
Dead Americans could really help Obama with the Jewish vote!
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As I mentioned a few days ago, former CIA analyst and presidential briefer Ray McGovern reported that his administration sources have told him that "White House officials" were "perfectly willing to have the cold corpses of [Gaza flotilla] activists shown on American TV." On hearing this same report, former UK ambassador Craig Murray decided to look into it himself:

...I set my own diplomatic sources to work in Washington, without giving them any indication of Ray’s information. They came back with an independent report from a different source – close to Clinton rather than the White House – with exactly the same result of which Ray was warned. I was told that Obama will welcome an Israeli attack on the US ship, as giving him a chance to confirm his pro-Israeli credentials and improve his standing with AIPAC ahead of the Presidential election race. Fatalities would be "not a problem".

There was no information that the Obama regime has quietly given Netanyahu a green light to attack the ship. But I strongly expect they will; by deniable means, of course.

So there you have it: not only would Barack Obama be more than happy to let Israel kill a few US citizens, he's actually thinking it could "improve his standing with AIPAC" and help shore up his vulnerability with Jewish voters. Illustrating once again that no level of skepticism or cynicism is sufficient when it comes to this bloated bag of amoral ambition and self-regard.

Regarding that last bit of speculation about a green light for Israel, by the way, Murray may have missed this quote from Hillary Clinton:

There will be construction materials entering Gaza and we think that it’s not helpful for there to be flotillas that try to provoke actions by entering into Israeli waters and creating a situation in which the Israelis have the right to defend themselves.

Got that? This is Obama's Secretary of State announcing, before anything has actually happened, that if Israel kills flotilla activists it will have done so in self-defense—preemptively rationalizing a foreign country's killing of American citizens. Short of a leaked memo saying "To: Israel, Re: Flotilla, Kill as many as you want. Love and kisses, Hillary", the lights don't get much greener than that.

The lesser of two evils, ladies and gentlemen.

ADDING: Jonathan Schwarz points out that since around 25% of the passengers on the U.S. boat will be Jewish, the title could also be "Dead Americans Jews could really help Obama with the Jewish vote!" And given that one of those Jews is Hedy Epstein I suppose it could also be "Dead Holocaust survivors could really help Obama with the Jewish vote!"—though at that point I fear we may be exceeding internationally recognized irony safety limits.

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To: Cage Rattler who wrote (26022)7/1/2011 2:57:27 PM
From: Cage Rattler
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Greece Bans Gaza Flotilla From Leaving Port
Posted on July 1, 2011 at 1:28pm by Jonathon M. Seidl

Activists aboard "The Audacity of Hope."

ATHENS, Greece (The Blaze/AP) — Greece on Friday banned ships heading to the Gaza Strip from leaving Greek ports, and a vessel carrying several dozen American protesters which left port without permission was ordered to return.

A flotilla of nine Greek and foreign-flagged vessels and several hundred activists have said they want to break Israel’s sea blockade and deliver aid to the Palestinian territory.

Greece’s Civil Protection Ministry said coast guard authorities had been ordered to take “all appropriate measures” to implement the ban. It also said the “broader maritime area of the eastern Mediterranean will be continuously monitored by electronic means for tracking, where applicable, the movements of the ships allegedly participating” in the flotilla.

Protest organizers said one of the boats, dubbed the Audacity of Hope and carrying several dozen Americans, had left the port of Perama near Athens Friday afternoon, but had been intercepted by coast guards on inflatable speedboats about 2 miles (3.2 kilometers) out at sea.

“We’re not moving because they put one of the (boats) in front of us, so we are stationary,” vessel spokesperson Jane Hirschmann told reporters in Athens.

The Merchant Marine Ministry refused to give any details of the incident, saying only that the protest boat had not left the “general port area.”

Two journalists embedded on the boats, however, do offer some detail. According to Phil Black, who says he’s a CNN correspondent, the boat that left port is returning after officials allegedly threatened to board the ship:

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To: SARMAN who wrote (26023)7/4/2011 2:09:09 PM
From: longnshort
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Afghanistan: Muslims behead convert from Islam to Christianity, warn other converts of "dire consequences" for leaving Islam
from Jihad Watch by Robert

"Whoever changes his religion should be executed." Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, said that. Note also that these murderers recited passages from the Qur'an. This is the sort of story that gives the lie to the common claim by Islamic apologists in the West that Islam has no death penalty for apostasy. But where are the human rights organizations on this?

"NEWS ALERT: Afghan Man Beheaded For Faith In Christ," by Marshall Ramsey II for BosNewsLife, July 3:

HERAT PROVINCE, AFGHANISTAN (BosNewsLife)-- Islamic militants in Afghanistan have beheaded what is believed to be a Christian convert and warned other Afghani Christians of "dire consequences" for leaving Islam, after American forces withdraw from Afghanistan, BosNewsLife learned Sunday, July 3.

A video message obtained by the respected Christian oriented WORLD Magazine shows a man being beheaded by four men claiming to be members of Afghanistan's Taliban group. Abdul Latif, somewhere in his 40's, was recently kidnapped from his village outside of Enjeel, a town south of Herat, the capital of Herat province.

The video, approximately two minutes in length, show Latif being pinned to the ground while his kidnappers, wearing suicide vests and kaffiya head scarves to cover their faces, recite verses from the Quran.

"You who are joined with pagans, your sentence is to be beheaded," one of the militants reads from what looks like a paper decree. "Whoever changes his religion should be executed."

The passages refer to Sura 8:12 of the Koran ("I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks...") and the hadiths, or sayings, of Islam's prophet, Mohammed.

In the video, Latif can be seen struggling with his captors from the ground while one of the militants thrust a medium-sized blade in the side of his neck. The men then began shouting "Allahu Akhbar," or "God is great," until Latif is fully beheaded and his head placed upon his chest.... jihadwatch.org

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To: longnshort who wrote (26025)7/5/2011 1:55:30 AM
From: SARMAN
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But where are the human rights organizations on this?
Yes where are they? Where were they when Christians (Americans) killed 400,000 Muslim Iraqis? Where were they when Christians killed 200,000 Muslim Afghans? Where are...

Oh wait, I am responding to longnshort, never mind, he posts bigotry.

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To: SARMAN who wrote (26026)7/5/2011 10:57:27 AM
From: longnshort
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"How the Dutch Gaza Flotilla Backfired Politically

Posted By Yochanan Visser On July 4, 2011 @ 7:05 pm In Europe,Uncategorized,World News | 1 Comment

A Dutch ship was organized as part of the Gaza flotilla in order to help Hamas, portray that effort has humanitarian, and create anti-Israel sentiment. The story of how this effort backfired is a fascinating tale of contemporary political warfare. Indeed, the end result has been to make the Dutch debate more pro-Israel and anti-Islamist.

Many articles — often with Dutch Internet media taking the lead — exposed alliances between Dutch far leftists and local Islamists who, together with some Christian groups, formed the organization Nederland-Gaza organizing Dutch participation in the second Gaza flotilla. The result has been a serious public debate and an actual increase in pro-Israel activity and support in the country.

As a result of the organizers' extremism exposed by these reports [1], all of the Dutch journalists scheduled to sail to Gaza quit, complaining of the flotilla's "dictatorial atmosphere, paranoia and mutual distrust."

The Dutch blog KeesjeMaduraatje was one of the first to publish [2] material about extremist elements in the second Gaza flotilla, revealing that Free Gaza Holland's chairman, Rob Groenhuizen, was a convicted communist extremist who used to be a member of Dutch groups affiliated with the German terrorist Rote Armee Fraktion.

Groenhuizen's group also had ties with the Palestinian terrorist organization PLFP and members participated in a terrorist training camp in Yemen in 1976.

In an e-mail exchange, Groenhuizen's wrote about the second flotilla's real goal:

This game about humanitarian aid is part of a tremendous plot — something that Israel tries to postpone as long as possible — but with every uprising in the Arab world and each mistake Israel makes, the end is coming nearer. … Everybody knows Israel is not sustainable.

Another Dutch blogger, Carel Brendel, recently revealed [3] more details about ties between Nederland-Gaza, Islamist groups in Europe, and Hamas in Gaza. On June 18 Brendel wrote that he had found evidence [4] that the Italian NGO Associazione Benefica di Solidarieta con il Popolo Pelaestinense (ABSPP) and the Dutch NGO ISRAA each had donated 100.000 euros for the purchase of the Dutch/Italian boat .

Dutch Hamas member Amin Abu Rashed, who was arrested last year on the Mavi Marmara, the Turkish ship in the first flotilla, is co-founder of ISRAA, a Dutch Islamic charity. Rashed also co-founded the European Campaign to End the Siege of Gaza (ECESG) along with Ibrahim Akkari, a Dutch Muslim Brotherhood leader.

In addition, Rashed has worked for the Rotterdam-based Hamas charity El Aksa, banned by the Dutch authorities. That group was part of the network headed by Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Muslim Brotherhood's most influential cleric who has made fiery antisemitic statements.

The chairman of ISRAA, Mohamed el Doori, is also treasurer of the Dutch Federation of Islamic Organizations (FION), still another offshoot of the European Muslim Brotherhood. Both organizations are participating in the Nederland-Gaza coalition.

On May 14 De Telegraaf published another article [5] in which reporter Bart Olmer revealed tapes from the minutes of meetings of the Nederland-Gaza movement's board proving that Amin Abu Rashed was the driving force behind fundraising for the Dutch boat.

Last week, another Dutch daily, Trouw, ran an article [6] in which Hasna el Maroudi, a reporter for left-wing sites, pointed to Abu Rashed's central role in the operation despite the attempts of the Nederland-Gaza group to hide that fact. As a result, she decided not to sail on the boat. Another journalist, Wilfred van de Poll, also pulled out after Rashed told him in an interview that he had purchased the boat and admitted to connections between the Nederland-Gaza organization and Hamas.

Then a group of clerics and members from the Protestant Church in the Netherlands (PKN) organized a petition demanding an end to ties between the Protestant NGO Kerk in Actie and Sabeel after it was shown that officials of Kerk in Actie collaborated with Sabeel — an Arab-Christian group — in propagating blatant lies about Israel.

Other Internet media reports [7] about ties between Dutch NGOs and extremist Palestinian groups caused the Dutch government to change the guidelines on government subsidies for NGOs that fund anti-Israel groups. There is now a debate in the country over cutting back sharply on such funding.

While these developments have exposed the Gaza flotilla as an operation of Hamas and radical left groups seeking to delegitimize and discredit Israel, they also have much broader significance. What has happened in Holland is a case study showing how Internet publications and research on the hidden radicalism and extremist ties of purportedly humanitarian and moderate groups can change government policy, media attitudes, and public opinion."

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To: longnshort who wrote (26027)7/5/2011 11:21:58 AM
From: Scoobah
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Everyone should have realized once the flotilla announced that they would use Greece as their pivot point, that the mission was over before it started.,

Security cooperation between Israel and Greece is at an all time high, and growing stronger every day, as Greece intends to supplant itself in the role Turkey has long held with NATO.

dont think for a minute NATO generals and US admirals think they can depend on Turkey

the world shifted and it doesnt go backwards, not as far as the guys who push the sticks in the war room are concerned

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From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck7/6/2011 2:18:42 AM
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Interesting article on the Norwiegen rapes. I am curious..perhaps there should be a study... Are moslym men overcompensating their manhood using rape as a fulcrum because they spend too much time in the mosks braying to allah whilst in a bent over fashion staring at another males arse?

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