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To: peter michaelson who wrote (79)10/1/2001 2:15:42 PM
From: joseph krinsky   of 455
 
Shorters always focus too much on individual stocks and situations when the shorting argument comes up.
IMO-It's really unimportant about slph or any other specific stock.
What's important is whether or not the methods etc etc are legal, and should be allowed or modified.

I disagree with your claim that you're(pl) not using collusion (and/or manipulation) to drive down stock prices, but I am not John Reed Stark, so it doesn't really matter.

Saying the stock price of any given stock deserves to be higher or lower, scam or not, is subjective.

I agree that what your group does is well known to the authorities, but not having been fined or subjected to sanctions so far, shouldn't lead anyone to draw any premature conclusions. LOL.

RE your P.S.: I was wondering why any of the shorters would post on this thread about it, btw..it seems that the thread is really a vehicle to promote a petition and the petition''s goal, and so what's there really to argue about?

You're either for it, and you sign... or you're against it, and you don't sign. Or you're not interested and you ignore the whole matter.

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To: peter michaelson who wrote (79)10/1/2001 2:16:27 PM
From: Ga Bard   of 455
 
Oh really the authorities know that you are short selling form off-shore thus naked shorting for 20% on the dollar. Hmmm .. tthat does appear to be the case. WOnder if the small investors can scream loud enough so NO ONE is abouve the law. This is starting to reek with the plot of Stripper where Denny Moore's character's husband is an informer and thus above the law stealing wheel-chairs.

National Bank of Canada - Correction
BCSC-named P.I. clients deny accounts
National Bank of Canada NA
Shares issued 188,728,712 2001-07-10 close $28.7
Tuesday Jul 10 2001 Correction
See B.C. Securities Commission (BCSEC) Correction
by Brent Mudry
Two short-related stock market players, Steven A. Keyser and Amr Ibrahim "Anthony" Elgindy, described by the British Columbia Securities Commission as being clients of Pacific International Securities and securities violators, deny they have had accounts with the scandal-plagued Vancouver brokerage or ever done anything significantly wrong in securities markets. Each is anxious to set his record straight. They also seem to speak from oddly similar scripts.
Both men assert they are actually white knights who bust stock frauds for federal officials. "We're the good guys here," Mr. Keyser told Stockwatch, referring to his group of associates. "I've never been fined, I've never been censured," says Mr. Elgindy of Pacific Equity Investigations, who uses the nickname Anthony.

In a notice of hearing issued Tuesday by the BCSC against P.I. and its executives, the regulator claims Mr. Elgindy was suspended in 1997 for one year by the National Association of Securities Dealers and fined $30,000 (U.S.).

The Canadian regulator claims Mr. Elgindy's registration was revoked in 1998 by the NASD for failure to pay moneys owing in a previously executed settlement agreement.

Mr. Elgindy told Stockwatch he has never been a securities violator in any way. "That is in fact a lie." The former broker confirms he was fined by the NASD for "a trading technicality and so forth," which he describes as "improper usage of an SOES terminal," and he exited the industry in 1998 on a purely voluntary basis. "I have a checkered past, but I've never been a securities violator," says Mr. Elgindy. He did not offer his personal definition of either "securities violator" or "checkered past."

NASD records confirm Mr. Elgindy was suspended for one year from association with any NASD member in a principal capacity and for 30 days from any association with any NASD member in any capacity. Mr. Elgindy consented to the entry of findings that he caused his member firm to execute 108 orders through SOES for the firm's account.

The regulatory findings also stated he cause his firm to enter "non-bona-fide" orders through the SelectNetSM System for the firm's account that were either timed out or cancelled by him before they could be executed.

In addition, the NASD found that Mr. Elgindy caused trades reported to ACT to be cancelled by failing to acknowledge or confirm the trades. The regulator further found that Mr. Elgindy failed to ensure that his firm establish, maintain and enforce supervisory procedures that would have enabled the firm to deter and detect the dubious conduct.


Mr. Elgindy now claims he is nothing but a knight in shining armour. "I work for the SEC ... I investigate frauds and write reports which I turn over to the SEC," says Mr. Elgindy. "I have never had an account at Pacific International with the name Anthony Elgindy," he says, although he declined to reveal his true name.

His real name is Amr Ibrahim Elgindy, also known as Amir Ibrahim Elgindy, at least according to NASD records. Mr. Elgindy did not clarify whether his "work for the SEC" is as a paid operative or as a volunteer of some nature.

Mr. Keyser is equally upset at being named in the BCSC notice and a Stockwatch article. He denies he or his group of shorting associates have every done anything wrong, although the BCSC asserts he was given a permanent injunction and a disgorgement order in November, 1987, in a settlement of a complaint filed by United States Securities and Exchange Commission.

Mr. Keyser, who refuses to identify which city or even state he resides in, due to "a lot of death threats," also denies he has ever been a direct or indirect client of Pacific International. The publicity-shy player declined to confirm whether he controlled or directed any holding company accounts at the brokerage or whether he had any involvement in any other accounts. "I'm not trying to dig up old dirt on myself," he explains.

When asked whether he or his group have ever owned, operated or been associated with any account at P.I., Mr. Keyser declined to elaborate further. "What we do at P.I. or don't do at P.I. is none of your business," he told Stockwatch.

On the regulatory front, Mr. Keyser concedes he once signed a standard SEC settlement, neither confirming nor denying any wrongdoing, but he cannot recall the terms, although he believes he handed over stock that was worth $30,000 (U.S.) to him. "I had a regulatory issue in the mid-1980s," he concedes.

Mr. Keyser is particularly offended by having his name pop up in a BCSC notice targeting Pacific International, as he claims he also is a white knight, not a shadowy securities violator like other purported P.I. clients on the regulator's list. "We're the good guys here."

"We expose fraud -- we do securities research," says Mr. Keyser. "We have been the sole reason for shutting down a number of scams." Although Mr. Keyser declines to use the word "short," he says "we take positions and expose the fraud." "We've never done wrong," says Mr. Keyser.

"We've exposed fantastic frauds," says the good Samaritan, noting he and his group have co-operated with the SEC, the FBI, state attorneys-general and the U.S. Attorney General's office. Mr. Keyser declined to name names, but says "we worked on the Star-Net case."

"I never had an account at Pacific International," says Mr. Keyser.

(c) Copyright 2001 Canjex Publishing Ltd. canada-stockwatch.com 


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To: joseph krinsky who wrote (80)10/1/2001 2:19:39 PM
From: Ga Bard   of 455
 
Wrong is wrong and even if it is SEC contractors or subcontractors or employees. They are not above the law and offshore shorting and the trades are listed as sells instead of naked shorts to me needs to be looked into.

National Bank of Canada - Street Wire
National Bank's P.I. client also jailed for mail fraud
National Bank of Canada NA
Shares issued 188,728,712 2001-07-13 close $29.5
Friday Jul 13 2001 Street Wire
Also B.C. Securities Commission (BCSEC)
by Brent Mudry
A well-promoted California-based penny-stock short named as a questionable client of scandal-plagued Vancouver brokerage Pacific International Securities by the British Columbia Securities Commission, due to regulatory troubles with the National Association of Securities Dealers, also spent four months in jail last year after pleading guilty to mail fraud.
"Anthony" Elgindy, whose real name is Amr Ibrahim Elgindy, however, is extremely touchy about being named as a client of Pacific International, which is fighting BCSC charges that it catered to New York Italian and Russian Mafia associates and other American securities violators and penny-stock rogues. "You truly slapped me in the face and I have done nothing wrong and no one has ever said I'm suspected of doing anything wrong," Mr. Elgindy told Stockwatch, referring to his regulatory history.
"My account was so clean bubbles popped out when anyone looked at them and I have always claimed the existence of the account on my taxes," states Mr. Elgindy. (The short was never asked about his taxes or how clean his P.I. account was.) Mr. Elgindy initially denied being a P.I. client, then said he never had an account under the name "Anthony Elgindy," then repeatedly proclaimed his account was squeaky clean, and has since downplayed his dealings at the besieged Vancouver brokerage.
"My account was never involved in anything improper and I never did anything wrong, ever while at P.I. I just bought and sold stocks like anyone else, I never bought any penny stocks and my account was never involved in any stock deals or investment banking relationships," protests the customer, who prides himself on being a fraud-buster who works for the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Mr. Elgindy is well known in penny-stock shorting circles and equally well known to officials at the NASD and the United States Bureau of Prisons, which recently hosted him as a special guest at one of its exclusive gated communities in Southern California, designed to keep riff-raff in, not out. Although the felon was convicted in Fort Worth, as he then lived in Colleyville, Tex., he served his time in California, near his new home in Encinitas.
While Mr. Elgindy did not volunteer details of his criminal record, he likes to portray himself as a fine upstanding citizen, a white knight ferreting out stock frauds as a hero of the small investor. Indeed, he was featured as such a penny-stock hero by Wired magazine, Barbara Walters on 20/20 and the Wall Street Journal. Mr. Elgindy has been credited with helping expose a number of penny-stock scams.
"Yes at one time I worked for some really crappy, crummy, lousy firms. That was four or five years before I had an account at P.I.," Mr. Elgindy told Stockwatch. The born-again short began his penny-stock career in 1988 at Blinder Robinson, a year and a half after the SEC's bid to shut down the notorious bucket shop became widely known.
"I work so hard to clean up my background to undo the damage I did as I couldn't sleep at night and I was sick to my stomach," says Mr. Elgindy, referring to his bucket-shop days.
That is all in the past. "Since 1993, I have led the squeaky clean life and am 1,000-per-cent dedicated to what I do now for a living," states Mr. Elgindy. (His NASD troubles date to 1993.)
This "squeaky clean life" included ripping off an insurance company to the tune of $90,645 by collecting bogus disability payments while he was working as a broker at two national brokerage firms in 1994 and 1995. Mr. Elgindy's fraudulent insurance claim had been supported by a fraudulent tax form altered to double his base 1990 insurable earnings to a purported $208,000.
This, of course, is not the sort of thing Mr. Elgindy wants to be known for. "Wall Street is a corrupt cesspool and my job is to expose it, that's what I do," he told Stockwatch.
The notable P.I. client has been quite upset with recent coverage linking him to the Vancouver brokerage. "What on God's green earth did I do wrong? I'm not a party to any money laundering or any stock scams ... I didn't do anything at all at P.I. nor am I involved in any of their troubles," he states.
"What law have I broken, what charges am I accused of, what did I ever do wrong at P.I. or anywhere in your scandal-ridden country?" the American short asked the Canadian reporter.
In a private E-mail to a fan, republished on Silicon Investor, Mr. Elgindy is especially anxious to distance himself from P.I. "I had an account there for exactly five months, and I bailed after I heard they were in trouble," he stated. "Since when are we guilty of something because we have an account somewhere?"
(c) Copyright 2001 Canjex Publishing Ltd. canada-stockwatch.com 


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To: Mark L. who wrote (81)10/1/2001 2:22:16 PM
From: Ga Bard   of 455
 
I really do not care really what I care about is offshore shorting that shows up as a sell for 20% on the $1.00, which makes it a naked short. Only Market Makers are allowed to naked short ... not offshore.

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To: Mark L. who wrote (81)10/1/2001 2:22:56 PM
From: joseph krinsky   of 455
 
That's not a good path you're following.

Almost every stock has been shorted at one time or another, and so you can say that there are many shorted stocks that turned out to be good investments.

It's just a question of time line........ when and at what price you bought, and when and at what price you sold.

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To: joseph krinsky who wrote (82)10/1/2001 2:23:12 PM
From: Ga Bard   of 455
 
Exactly ...

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To: Ga Bard who wrote (84)10/1/2001 2:24:38 PM
From: joseph krinsky   of 455
 
I believe that all short sales should be marked as such, and reported as such, and viewed on the tape as such.

It's information that investors can use, and there's no reason for this information to be kept from them.

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To: Ga Bard who started this subject10/1/2001 2:31:45 PM
From: Ga Bard   of 455
 
Short selling is just like terrorism so I will use some of President Bush's quotes. Make no mistake about it. This is GOOD (American Investors) vs EVIL (Offshore short sellers). It is not open for negotiating.

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To: joseph krinsky who wrote (88)10/1/2001 2:35:11 PM
From: Ga Bard   of 455
 
EXACTLY and that is what the petition wants also full transparency with checks and balances. American Investors have a right to know if they are buying shorted shares or rightful owner shares.

Off shore should have to provide a cert of ownership. Not some piece of paper like a CD or other potential future dilution which they pre sell and take the money and exercise whatever for the stock ... Also short selling 144 prior to the legend being lifted and so much more.

We need to make our borders into the market restricter than the slack regulation now.

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To: Ga Bard who started this subject10/1/2001 2:39:21 PM
From: Frank Fontaine   of 455
 
Hi Gary. Nice thread. I'm very glad to see that the short selling situation is being addressed. The practice of selling shares one doesn't own into the market thereby helping to drive down the price of a given security so as to cause real investors to lose value has been a terrible thing for a long time now. It amazes me that it was ever allowed to happen. It is a ripoff to people who legitimately by and sell stock that they own.
Frank

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