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To: bacchus_ii who wrote (87569)2/28/2012 12:37:09 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu1 Recommendation   of 101237
 
The problems with Greece are the Greeks themselves. No one can step in and do it for Greece, get rid of the "blood suckers" that do nothing and just skim money from every financial move a citizen must do in his daily life.
No wonder the rest of the population is in despair.

More so the rich stashed their wealth overseas and Greek diaspora is not willing to contribute a penny to save and recover their own former country where they grew up.

Doing Business in Greece: An Uphill Battle
While the political elite and public in Greece remain dedicated—for now—to the common currency, it is difficult to see how Greece will manage to restructure its economy and return to growth before either the troika or the Greeks themselves run out of patience. A number of contacts described their experiences trying to open a business or buy property, which involved high fees, several trips to different tax offices and months of navigating bureaucracy. This gets at the very heart of how Greece landed up in its current condition and why rapid change is unlikely. Entire professions such as notaries, lawyers, tax men, architects and inspectors have for years had automatic income in that they have formed the layers of bureaucracy involved in doing business in Greece. At least half of the MPs in Greek parliament hail from these industries, and consequently are incentivized to perpetuate the bureaucracy that impedes opening up, running or finding investment for businesses.

This is best encapsulated in an anecdote from my visit to Athens. A friend and I met up at a new bookstore and café in the centre of town, which has only been open for a month. The establishment is in the center of an area filled with bars, and the owner decided the neighborhood could use a place for people to convene and talk without having to drink alcohol and listen to loud music. After we sat down, we asked the waitress for a coffee. She thanked us for our order and immediately turned and walked out the front door. My friend explained that the owner of the bookstore/café couldn’t get a license to provide coffee. She had tried to just buy a coffee machine and give the coffee away for free, thinking that lingering patrons would boost book sales. However, giving away coffee was illegal as well. Instead, the owner had to strike a deal with a bar across the street, whereby they make the coffee and the waitress spends all day shuttling between the bar and the bookstore/café. My friend also explained to me that books could not be purchased at the bookstore, as it was after 18h and it is illegal to sell books in Greece beyond that hour. I was in a bookstore/café that could neither sell books nor make coffee.

economonitor.com 

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To: ggersh who wrote (87564)2/28/2012 1:35:41 PM
From: bart13   of 101237
 
All he has to do is listen to Bernanke, and watch the Securities Lending OMO.

"...the Federal Reserve has the capacity to operate in domestic money markets to maintain interest rates at a level consistent with our economic goals”
-- Ben Bernanke, Fed Chairman, March 26th 2007 to the Senate Banking Committee

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To: bart13 who wrote (87573)2/28/2012 2:02:23 PM
From: ggersh1 Recommendation   of 101237
 
That takes work and a bit of logic,
BTW he didn't CC me the memo either! -vbg-

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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (87572)2/28/2012 2:15:54 PM
From: bacchus_ii   of 101237
 
I think Greece is just a little more advanced in the generally worldwide deterioration of moral behavior promulgate by Hollywood, politic, finance-oligarch....starting at the begining of 1900's. Sorry, my English writing is too poor to say more.

Re:"The problems with Greece are the Greeks themselves. No one can step in and do it for Greece, get rid of the "blood suckers" that do nothing and just skim money from every financial move a citizen must do in his daily life.

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To: ggersh who wrote (87563)2/28/2012 3:10:50 PM
From: elmatador1 Recommendation   of 101237
 
By people you mean ? Any people with brains within the society. If that inflation was bad, meaning if there were no oligarchs earning money with inflation, it had been uprooted at the onset.

But Brazilian hyperinflation was a tax on the poor. Simple transfer of money from poor to government and from poor to the rich.

Anyone in Euro and the US had better watch out... There are people who love inflation.

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To: elmatador who wrote (87576)2/28/2012 3:14:11 PM
From: Paxb2u   of 101237
 
Yes---and one is our FED---Peace

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To: Paxb2u who wrote (87577)2/28/2012 3:16:22 PM
From: elmatador1 Recommendation   of 101237
 
Pax, once inflation kicks in interest groups try to stop any way to tame it: The number-one reason Gustavo Franco gave for ultimate success (of the plan to end inflation) was a unique period where none of the political forces of the country were able to intervene in the process to promote the special interests that the state had become committed to supporting in the preceding decades.

President Fernando Collor de Mello was impeached in December 1992 and replaced by his vice president, Itamar Franco. “Franco was not interested in economics and signed anything the ministers would bring him. This was unbelievable, but it depoliticized the process.” Congress was also sidelined by a major scandal in December 1994 in which 26 members of congress and three state governors were implicated in diverting millions in federal funds into their own accounts. “This kept them out of the discussion. This gave us a window of opportunity where the politicians did not interfere.”

econ.puc-rio.br 

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To: elmatador who wrote (87578)2/28/2012 3:28:40 PM
From: Paxb2u   of 101237
 
That was a great out come. I'm afraid here, in order to get the politicos out of the process, we'd have to start all over again.---Peace

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To: elmatador who wrote (87576)2/28/2012 3:42:11 PM
From: ggersh   of 101237
 
It always ends up as the transfer mechanism.
Inflation through markets helps the have's.


But Brazilian hyperinflation was a tax on the poor. Simple transfer of money from poor to government and from poor to the rich.

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To: average joe who wrote (87568)2/28/2012 5:17:27 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation   of 101237
 
Like carving moais out of the rock on Easter Island, digging gold out of the dirt in the Yukon is a good way to consume the spare young males of otherwise little value.

Perhaps gold has got a good function after all - keeps lots of young males off the streets.

Mqurice

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