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To: w0z who wrote (96413)4/26/2003 12:43:04 PM
From: Ilaine   of 280800
 
This isn't my idea, but I haven't seen it on this thread yet - if we are going to be involved in peace-keeping missions, maybe we need a Peace Department, as a Cabinet level position with its own department.

Reading that Rumsfeld wants to pare down the Army makes me wonder where we will have the manpower for peace-keeping.

And really, soldiers are not ideal for the day to day mission of peace-keeping -- we need super cops, we need doctors, we need school builders, we need road builders.

USAID isn't getting the job done in Afghanistan because they aren't really up for this task. The locals aren't, either, and its not safe for the NGOs.

I did a bit of googling and I see the idea of a Peace Department is being advanced by Kuchinich and Conyers, and I don't mean it in the same way they do. They want to have teach ins and love ins and sing Kumbaya and stuff like that.

I am talking about the hard work of actually preserving peace in violent unstable lands like Afghanistan and the Balkans and Palestine, where AK-47s are cheap and life is cheaper.

I think once we got rid of the Taliban and Saddam, we have the obligation to maintain the peace.

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (96414)4/26/2003 12:54:43 PM
From: Ilaine   of 280800
 
>>If the problem is America’s image in the Arab world, in what way does it help to confine the Stars and Stripes brand to unpleasant things like bombs, while insisting all the nice postwar reconstructive stuff be clearly labelled with the UN flag?<<

This is exactly right. Of course, it would do wonders for America's image if we quit supporting repressive regimes, or at least paid as much lip service to human rights in the area as we do to, say, China.

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (96426)4/26/2003 1:10:39 PM
From: Ilaine   of 280800
 
Prior to being an MP, Galloway was a factory worker, an activist, and an author. He must have sold a lot of books.

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To: The Pre Beakerite who wrote (96427)4/26/2003 1:20:50 PM
From: Ilaine   of 280800
 
>>£80k Portugal holiday home<<

It certainly didn't look like anywhere near that cheap to me. I see that the value of Galloway's homes are quite the topic in the British press, so expect that the truth will come out eventually.

Edit: I hate it when I am the only one posting, and leave a long string of posts only by me. Sorry.

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To: Ilaine who wrote (96408)4/26/2003 1:27:10 PM
From: Jacob Snyder   of 280800
 
Well, this is totally OT. Let me end with:

1. I was making my post to Sun, who has said he is not Christian. So, obviously, isn't trying to be a "good one".
2. I didn't say anything anywhere about Bush in the exchange. Don't know where you got the "challenging Bush on whether or not he rises to your definition of a good Christian."
3. I guess you missed it, but much of it was ironic. If I was making fun of anyone, it was myself, as when I said:

<So accuracy cannot be assumed. Except for myself, of course. And perhaps a few others who tend to see the same things I do, thereby proving their accuracy.>


As a general rule, don't take a poster too seriously, when the header is anything like:

<the phase of the moon or the number of roaches in the building>

or

<I-Ching, creationism, and why Penguins exist>

Those are hints that perhaps he's not being too deadly serious.

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (95791)4/26/2003 1:33:55 PM
From: BigBull   of 280800
 
Apparently Galloway is only the very small tip of a very large iceberg. I wonder just how much of Saddam's undercover propaganda machine will be revealed? Could be verrrry embarrassing to the 4th estate, among others.

I am excerpting only a tiny bit of this long and revealing article, the whole thing is definitely worth a read.

Saddam's Cash
From the May 5, 2003 issue: And the journalists and politicians he bought with it.
by Stephen F. Hayes
05/05/2003, Volume 008, Issue 33

weeklystandard.com 

SALAMA NIMAT, the Jordanian journalist, says it's not just Arab journalists who took money. "The Western media has been playing the game, too, including Americans."

In Dearborn, Michigan, one radio station has for years broadcast a weekly, two-hour pro-Saddam program. According to Iraqi Americans who monitored the broadcasts, each program began with the Baath party anthem.

Ismail Mansour, a Pentagon-trained Iraqi American working with coalition forces in Iraq, says the regime's money reached well inside the United States, going to journalists and others. "In America, Saddam friends give money and they make protest," he says. "In the Arab world, it's the same thing. They pay money to do that."

One of those "Saddam friends" is Shakir al-Khafaji, an Iraqi-American businessman from Detroit. Since 1992, al-Khafaji has served as president of the regime-backed Expatriate Conferences, held in Baghdad every other year. The government provided subsidized travel for Iraqis living outside of the country.

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To: Ilaine who wrote (96436)4/26/2003 1:43:03 PM
From: The Pre Beakerite   of 280800
 
It certainly didn't look like anywhere near that cheap to me.

You would be surprised at the deals going. You have to be tuned into the local laws and stuff. Advisable to fit in well with the locals. Brits are buying property in South of France, Spain, Greece, Crete and Portugal. Quite often cashing in from dumping property in the UK at hot prices.

There has been some TV programs on the subject. UK farmers moving, buying farms in France with all sorts of EEC grants. The property laws are different from the UK though, and the locals seem to benefit on any property line disputes (It would be silly to make a big stink about it).

The French and the British get along just great a lot of the time, as opposed to what is projected often in the press.

Who can argue that France is not a nice place to live? F**k Iraq :-)

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To: BigBull who wrote (96438)4/26/2003 1:57:15 PM
From: Ilaine   of 280800
 
>>Shakir al-Khafaji<<

Is the guy who gave Scott Ritter $400K.

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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (96424)4/26/2003 2:13:12 PM
From: unclewest   of 280800
 
You pointing out that radiation is a major hazard (which I agree with) does not change the fact that in the 50s it was downplayed to the public.

Are you kidding...This is what Americans learned in the 1950s...I can confirm it because I went to school in the 50s and remember the drills...and I helped my grandparents build a fallout shelter.

post-gazette.com 

The heyday for bomb shelter construction in the United States was undoubtedly in the fearful 1950s when the cartoon character Bert the Turtle urged Americans to prepare for nuclear war, and Good Housekeeping advised its readers to suspend cooking and start digging.


Kids learned "duck and cover" drills in their school rooms, and girls were taught how to stock shelters in their home economics classes. In 1954, the entire nation conducted a nuclear war drill,


That is hardly downplaying the hazard.

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To: FaultLine who started this subject4/26/2003 2:18:33 PM
From: jjkirk   of 280800
 
ZAFARANIYAH, Iraq, April 26 — A series of huge
blasts at an arms dump on the outskirts of
Baghdad Saturday killed and wounded at least
six people, with some estimates as high as 40
people. The U.S. military said unidentified
attackers fired a device into the munitions store
causing the chain of explosions. Soon afterward,
dozens of Iraqis angered by the explosions held a
large anti-American demonstration near a city
center hotel....
msnbc.com 

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