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To: redfish who wrote (36370)7/27/2005 11:08:12 AM
From: redfish of 306802
 
With the median price of a new home dropping 5.5% in a single month I think one has to question the wisdom of the view that low-end homebuilders will get hit before high-end homebuilders get hit (based on the view that the purchasers of high-end homes aren't particularly concerned with money).

It is of course only one month's data and therefore not terribly meaningful, but I doubt it is the $125k homes that are dropping the median in price, as compared to the $650k homes .. the $125k homes would have to drop a great deal more % wise to effect the median by that much.

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To: redfish who wrote (36372)7/27/2005 11:18:17 AM
From: CalculatedRisk of 306802
 
New Homes Sales:
calculatedrisk.blogspot.com 

Check out the third graph on prices.

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To: redfish who wrote (36372)7/27/2005 11:24:19 AM
From: Think4Yourself of 306802
 
I fully expect high end builders to get hit first, and hard. Most of the remaining potential buyers can't afford to even get into the market at current prices, and the fools who got in over their heads are going to be attempting to downsize if/when the economy takes a turn for the worse.

Then there are the mortgage interest rates. The competition for mortgages is fierce now, with a broker in every strip mall, at least around here. If CFC and BofA are getting (relatively) hurt on mortgages then all the small fry are probably hurting too. It is only a matter of time before many close their doors, reducing competition and driving up rates.

As for the high end holding up better, of all the people you know, how many percentagewise have so much money that they don't care how much they pay for a house? I realize some here believe most americans are that rich but the logic seems to be seriously flawed to me.

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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (36216)7/27/2005 11:34:27 AM
From: David Semoreson of 306802
 
now the question becomes: what time frame and strike for puts? i've already got CFC oct35 and jan40, but really want to collect the whole set!

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To: Tommaso who wrote (36220)7/27/2005 11:37:23 AM
From: GraceZ of 306802
 
For newer news you might read Matt Simmons's "Twilight in the Desert," among other things

Thanks for the rec, I need some new books for my collection.

I've been reading the Doomsters for many years. I have a very large collection of their nonsense. It's one of my very favorite things to do, read some book from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s predicting some calamity off in the the not too distant future. I think in order to sell these books the crisis has to be within 10 years because that is the most common time frame. This is great for people like me who like to see just how wrong predictions about how humans will use resources in the future because the prediction falls within my life expectancy (or at least so far).

The Sun will die out in 8 billion years. This is my prediction for when the Earth will finally have an energy crisis for real.

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To: GraceZ who wrote (36376)7/27/2005 11:55:31 AM
From: Tommaso of 306802
 
I have a big collection of doomster books, too, and of course they were mostly wrong. For example, the advice to buy bags of "junk" U. S. silver coins and store them in a bank vault in Switzerland would have been a financial disaster, a great inconvenience, and perhaps worst of all would have made one into an object of derision. Luckily I paid no attention to such suggestions and instead went 150% into the stock market in the early 1980s. Unfortunately for me, however, when silver had crashed to about $6.00 an ounce I thought its time had come around again. I did not buy silver coins, but I did lose a lot of money on one futures contract and on Coeur d'Alene mining stock.

Yes, I have about 20 of those books from the 1970s and 1980s, most of which I got for less than a dollar on some sales table or in a used book store. There's very little of value in any of them. The one that did me the most damage was "Paul Erdman's Money Book." I must have thrown that one away.

Matt Simmons's book has various defects. It is redundant in places. But as a general expression of skepticism about the ability of Saudi Arabia to keep supplying all the oil that humanity wants to consume, it is persuasive.

We have already seen oil production in the United States peak and go into an irreversible decline, starting in 1970. It is only a matter of time before the same thing happens for the planet, and that time may have come.

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To: Think4Yourself who wrote (36374)7/27/2005 11:56:53 AM
From: BWAC of 306802
 
"I fully expect high end builders to get hit first, and hard. "

Yes, they'll lose a lot of their profit 'built' into the house, but they will still be able to build and sell (at a much slower pace) for less.

The first and worst to get hit though will be the current High end Homeowners when they need to sell. They'll have to compete with the builders drastically reduced price inventory of new homes.

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To: BWAC who wrote (36378)7/27/2005 11:59:09 AM
From: redfish of 306802
 
That is already happening in Las Vegas and triggering lawsuits by flippers who thought real estate always goes up.

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To: Lhn5 who wrote (36340)7/27/2005 12:14:12 PM
From: bentway of 306802
 
"Margins on pizza are about the best in the entire restaurant industry."

I think that used to be true, as shown by the recent $5 pizza offerings (down from $8-11) by several major franchises. I don't know that it is now that they are at $5 though.

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To: David Semoreson who wrote (36375)7/27/2005 12:35:35 PM
From: patron_anejo_por_favor of 306802
 
>>i've already got CFC oct35 and jan40, but really want to collect the whole set!<<

LOL, too bad they don't put 'em in boxes of Captain Crunch!<G>

I think the October's and January's will do well.

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