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To: alanrs who wrote (5112)3/18/2011 3:41:06 AM
From: Hepps   of 5204
 
I completely missed the VIX spike the other day and left a good amount of money on the table. At the time I wasn't sure if the move would continue down or bounce. I guess predicting the short term future is still one of those things that I'm not very good at.

If Libya is hit today or additional issues with Japan push the market down, I'll start to get back in with some OOTM puts on MSFT, QCOM, and IWM.

COB tomorrow I'm going to lose my IWM 78 calls; I'm torn between rolling them out today and letting them get called and then selling 75 puts next week. I don't have a good decision mechanism and will likely go with my gut. Fundamental question is "How soon does the music stop"?

Good luck
Hepps

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From: alanrs3/28/2011 11:06:13 AM
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In the interest of publicly closing trades I had opened in public, I bought to close the following this morning:

2 QCOM April 45 puts for .09 (+.31 total, net)
2 PEG April 30 puts for .21 (+.55 total, net)
5 SNDK April 35 puts for .04 (+.56 total, net)
1 (of 2) LLY April 33 put for .09 (+.22 net)

Still open:

1 LLY April 33 put (not for lack of trying, they just didn't give it to me)
1 ETR April 70 put (likely I'll end up owning this one)
5 CREE June 37.50 puts
2 SNDK April 45 puts

ARS

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To: alanrs who wrote (5116)3/29/2011 2:38:14 AM
From: Uncle Frank   of 5204
 
EBIX has taken a pounding recently. But they have good growth, earnings, and terrific premiums on their options. Take note of the May $20 puts trading above $2.

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From: ValueGuy3/29/2011 7:54:40 AM
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Hi Guys

I like the look of this thread. Am a complete newbie when it comes to writing calls (or anything other than buying or closing call options for that matter!) so I find this thread really great.

Been reading the McMillan book (haven't gotten very far though!) and I must say it is indeed a tome for anyone wanting to learn options.

An immediate question I have is, is it extremely risky to write naked calls? Will you lose out big time if you end up having to fork over stock you don't have, or will the loss be sufficiently offset against the premium that is collected, much like what happened in one of your posts recently?

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To: ValueGuy who wrote (5118)3/29/2011 8:29:38 AM
From: alanrs   of 5204
 
Naked calls end up in a short position if they are exercised. Most people (from what I've observed) never get comfortable shorting. It took me many years to give that a try, but then I'm basically a chicken. All that aside, if you are comfortable with a short position, the logic remains the same.

Since so much of investing pivots on how one emotionally handles a given situation I tend to focus on that. If you are right on the direction and timing (I think xyz is going to go up/down in the next time period), there's only the issue of how you deal with a winning position, do you close it taking the gain or let it run hoping for more but risking the bird in the hand.

If you are willing to short stock xyz at a given price (and really mean that), then selling a naked call is nothing more than collecting a premium for that willingness. Or, if you are not willing to be short the stock and are only trading the option, are willing to take a loss on the option, are trading within your own risk tolerance with a reasonably good idea of when to take the loss, and have the emotional ability to close the position at a loss when the time comes (all surprisingly difficult things to do), then it is like trading anything else.

Whatever I do, I always have "what's the absolute worse thing that can happen" as part of my thinking. And when I think about what I think IS going to happen there's always the addendum that I'm probably wrong attached.

Sorry to be so long winded, my best advice is to only do things you are comfortable with. I think it makes a lot of sense to sell covered calls or "naked" (cash covered) puts for a while to get the feel of it starting out.

Good to see a new face.

ARS

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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (5117)3/29/2011 8:30:50 AM
From: alanrs   of 5204
 
Thanks Frank, I'll look at it this morning.

ARS

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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (5117)3/29/2011 9:54:22 AM
From: alanrs   of 5204
 
EBIX

That's one scary chart, now that they broke through 22. Don't mind the industry they're in or their earnings, although I have no idea as to competition, etc. Selling the 20 put leaves room down to about $17.80 and the longer term chart looks like $18 might be a floor, so I can see that making sense.

Put an order in to sell 2 May 18 puts at 1.65. Remaining true to my chicken self. If not today, maybe tomorrow.

ARS

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To: alanrs who wrote (5121)3/29/2011 2:39:09 PM
From: alanrs   of 5204
 
All my offers to sell puts today were declined. I was the ask on EBIX for a few minutes this morning but it went the other way hard. Should have just acted on the tip with a market order at the open, but can't do that. That way lies I'm broke and it's all Uncle Frank's fault.

Did buy to close that other LLY put for .08 (+.23 net) and sold 2 NGD May 12 covered calls for .70.

Spending my day looking at Florida real estate listings when I'm supposed to be working on the basement. Probably should get on that instead of screwing around here collecting my little bunt singles.

ARS

Edit: And bought to close the 2 SNDK April 45 puts for 1.17 (+.45 net, total). Now off to do some honest work.

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To: alanrs who wrote (5122)3/29/2011 5:11:38 PM
From: Uncle Frank   of 5204
 
>> Should have just acted on the tip with a market order at the open...

No you shouldn't have. It wasn't a tip... just a suggestion to do your own due diligence on a richly priced derivative.

>> Now off to do some honest work.

Hey now, there's nothing dishonest about options trading... is there?

duf

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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (5123)3/29/2011 6:38:07 PM
From: alanrs   of 5204
 
"No you shouldn't have. It wasn't a tip... just a suggestion to do your own due diligence on a richly priced derivative."

Yeah, I knew that, just funnin.

Whenever I look at a new stock it feels like jumping rope, double dutch (or at least how I imagine that feels since I can't jump rope). If I can get into the rhythm of the thing, great, if not I can always go over a block and see if there's anybody with a jump rope that suits me better.

It's up on my screen and I'll continue to watch it, just because it's up today says nothing about tomorrow. I'm trying to broaden my horizons, break out of just trading the same old names year in and year out. Do you screen for high premiums in some way or is this one you follow that just happened to be rich right now? My tendency is to screen for stocks I wouldn't mind owning and then wait for a premium I like.

ARS

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