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To: LoneClone who wrote (79007)1/29/2007 12:44:51 PM
From: Bruce L3 Recommendations   of 178675
 
<<<I said I was not going to revisit these off topic issues on this forum and I will stick to that promise.>>>

That's nice. Except that you made two separate posts on this thread REPEATING your 'Capitalism is Fascism' nonsense AFTER that promise.

Because it caused me a lot of work, I was not going to respond until I saw it the 3rd time.

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To: CommanderCricket who wrote (79041)1/29/2007 12:49:07 PM
From: fmikehugo   of 178675
 
I wonder if this could impact some of the tankers. I hold ATB and SFL which both locate themselves in Bermuda.

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To: fmikehugo who wrote (79043)1/29/2007 1:30:19 PM
From: Keith J   of 178675
 
The tankers are primarily owned and operated from overseas, so should not affect them.

Whereas RIG, etc. are really operated out of Texas, but have re-incorporated overseas to reduce taxes.

Believe other companies have run into this issue in the past - Tyco, Stanley Works, etc.

KJ

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From: tom pope1/29/2007 2:05:04 PM
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WSJ, for the VLO buffs:



HEARD ON THE STREET


Refining Stocks
Still Have Plenty
Of Fuel for Now
By JEFFREY BALL
January 29, 2007; Page C1

With President Bush calling for significantly slowing the growth in gasoline consumption in the next decade, stocks of some companies that refine crude oil into gasoline slipped temporarily last week, a sign that some investors are reassessing growth prospects for the refiners.

That long-term concern may have overshadowed a near-term opportunity. There are good reasons to conclude refiners of crude are poised for a nice seasonal stock pop as the high-demand summer driving season approaches.


In his State of the Union speech last week, Mr. Bush urged a big increase in alternative fuels such as ethanol and a potential toughening of federal automotive-fuel-economy standards. Both measures, he said, are intended to hold the growth in gasoline consumption to 20% below its projected level in 2017.

The market reacted immediately. As word of the president's energy proposals surfaced Tuesday, hours before the actual speech, the stocks of some producers of corn-based ethanol inched up -- and those of some refiners inched down.

Time will tell whether Mr. Bush's proposals will meaningfully slow the growth in America's gasoline use. It would take real technological breakthroughs for the U.S. to produce the volume of ethanol the president outlined, requiring the country to move beyond corn, the current feedstock for U.S. ethanol, and use "cellulosic" materials such as switchgrass and wood chips, which are far more plentiful, to make the fuel.

Cellulosic ethanol is largely experimental; how many years it would take to reduce its cost to a competitive level is an open question. (See Commodities Report, page C3, on ethanol's wide range of costs.)

If the president's policies to curb the growth in U.S. gasoline use succeed, "the impact on refining would be drastic," Deutsche Bank AG oil analyst Paul Sankey wrote in a research note last week following the president's address.

Whatever happens during the next decade, however, the nuts-and-bolts realities of the U.S. refining industry suggest investors may do well in the next several months by investing in refiners of old-fashioned crude oil.

Right now, largely because of a warmer-than-expected winter that has curbed demand for heating oil, another product of the refining process, oil refiners' margins are low. Analysts expect some of the same pressures that last summer pushed up U.S. gasoline prices -- and refiners' margins -- will be repeated as the summer driving season approaches.

Margins will "stabilize and start going back up in the spring," said John Parry, a senior oil analyst at John S. Herold.

The energy-research company is bullish on refiners Tesoro Corp., which will report fourth-quarter earnings today, and Sunoco Inc. and Valero Energy Corp., both of which will report this week. Although Herold doesn't rate those stocks, it has what Mr. Parry calls an "inferred buy" on them, because the stocks are trading below what Herold regards as their value based on their average margins over the past three years. Herold has recommended investors buy ConocoPhillips, an integrated oil company with a significant refining business.

Mr. Parry owns stock in Tesoro, Sunoco, Valero and ConocoPhillips, among other oil companies. Herold doesn't own shares in the companies, but it has done business with ConocoPhillips in the past year.
[Oil and Gas Stocks]

The underlying reason for the near-term bullishness on refiners, Mr. Parry and other analysts said, are government regulations pushing refiners to blend into gasoline the same brew President Bush touted as an antidote to high pump prices: ethanol.

Regulations in parts of the country with particularly dirty air require special blending agents be added to gasoline to reduce the air pollution produced when the gasoline is burned in cars and trucks. Historically, the chief blending agent was methyl tertiary butyl ether, or MTBE. Because of concerns that MTBE contaminates groundwater, the government effectively has prodded refiners to phase it out, and now refiners typically use ethanol as a substitute.

Particularly in summer, ethanol is harder to blend into gasoline than MTBE is. Mixing in ethanol requires adding other chemicals that are in short supply in the U.S. That raises pump prices -- and refiners' margins.

Doug Leggate, a Citigroup Inc. oil analyst, predicted Tesoro will be the first beneficiary of the seasonal bump, because it does much of its business on the warm West Coast. Tesoro's shares already have risen markedly this month. Next up for real gains, Mr. Leggate said, are Valero, focused on the Gulf Coast, and Sunoco, based on the East Coast. Sunoco has the most "upside potential," he said.

Mr. Leggate has "buy" ratings on Tesoro, Valero and Sunoco. He has a "hold" on ConocoPhillips, generally because of the company's exposure to the upstream oil business, which Mr. Leggate has regarded as less promising than the refining business. Mr. Leggate doesn't own shares in any of these companies, but Citigroup owns Sunoco shares and does business with Sunoco, Tesoro and Valero, among other oil companies.

Aronson+Johnson+Ortiz LP, a quantitative money-management firm in Philadelphia with holdings of about $28 billion under management, has raised its holdings in refiners including Tesoro and Sunoco. During last year's third quarter, the most recent period for which statistics are available, it raised its holdings in Tesoro to 227,900 shares, up 202,300 shares, and it raised its holdings in Sunoco to 1.19 million shares, up 849,700 shares, according to FactSet Research Systems Inc.

Within the energy sector, "the refiners are looking more attractive because of their value tilt," said Stefani Cranston, a portfolio manager at the firm.

Deutsche Bank's Mr. Sankey is bearish. In addition to his long-term concerns about the threat ethanol poses to gasoline consumption, he notes that one big factor boosting refiners' margins last year was lingering refinery damage from the 2005 Gulf Coast hurricanes. Most of that is fixed.

Mr. Sankey -- who has "hold" ratings on most of refiners, including Sunoco, Tesoro and Valero -- doesn't personally own any of the stocks, but Deutsche Bank does, and it provides investment-banking services to many refiners.

Some refiners have said they are worried by Mr. Bush's ethanol push and are reconsidering plans to expand their gasoline production as a result. Adding less supply could have the effect of keeping gasoline prices higher.

Because "the mandatory nature and scope" of the president's proposals "give us serious pause," Marathon Oil Corp., an oil company with a big refining business, said in a statement following Mr. Bush's speech, "we must now re-evaluate our long-term investment program," especially prior plans to expand refinery capacity.

Write to Jeffrey Ball at jeffrey.ball@wsj.com1

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From: allevett1/29/2007 2:10:32 PM
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BP says biofuels face drawbacks
Production growth will have to depend on new technology to supply transport fuels.
January 29 2007: 10:51 AM EST

LONDON (Reuters) -- Biofuels could supply up to 30 percent of the world's transport fuels by 2030 but the scope for major growth will depend on new technologies, the head of BP's biofuels business said Monday.

"The future of this industry is going to be driven by innovation in technology," Phil New, president of BP Global Biofuels, said at a conference organized by Euromoney.

New said there were major drawbacks with current biofuel technologies related to their cost and performance as well as competition between food and fuel uses of crops.

He said BP believes that these problems could be solved, with the eventual solution likely to involve ligno-cellulosic technologies combined with more advanced biomolecules.

Scientists have been working on a process known as ligno-cellulosis which would enable non-food crops and plant waste to be used to produce biofuels.
Food versus fuel

Biofuels are currently produced mainly from food crops such as sugar cane, grains and oilseeds, raising fears that the industry's expansion could increase food prices and possibly even spark food shortages.

"There is a very real prospect that biofuels could amount to up to 30 percent of the world's road transport fuels," New said.

New said there were significant concerns about the performance of ethanol which can be substituted for petrol.

"Ethanol is a reasonable start but it is a poor fuel molecule compared with either the fossil fuels it is seeking to replace or the potential for advanced, more complex alcohol molecules in the future," he said.

"It can't be transported, it's got lousy fuel efficiency characteristics, it is in many applications potentially quite unsafe and explosive and of course it can be very corrosive," he said.

Last year, BP announced it was partnering with DuPont Co. (down $0.24 to $48.95, Charts) to develop an alternative to ethanol, biobutanol, which would be produced at a British Sugar plant in eastern England. British Sugar is a unit of Associated British Foods.

"We will be putting in some pilot capacity we hope in the quite near future," he said, adding that development of the necessary technology was "going well."

Shares of BP (down $0.65 to $63.08, Charts) fell less than 1 percent in morning trade on the New York Stock Exchange. Oil competitors Exxon (up $0.02 to $73.63, Charts) and Chevron (up $0.55 to $72.05, Charts) edged higher.

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From: Tommaso1/29/2007 2:12:11 PM
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Getting involved in tar sands may be hazardous to your well-being, but maybe some people are having a good time.

'problems are everywhere in Fort McMurray, from a severe housing shortage that has made the remote city one of Canada's most expensive to extremely stressed health care facilities.

Ed Stelmach, the province's new Premier, gave a speech in the city last week and cited some "statistics we're not proud of" -- the region has three times as many motor vehicle accidents per capita as the rest of Alberta and four times as many cases of sexually transmitted diseases.'


Incidentally, inasmuch as the promotion of ethanol is our politicians' favorite solution--it seems--for high oil prices, the discussion of said ethanol, including that produced in Brazil, seems quite relevant to this thread. Of course, ethanol itself is going to prove quite irrelevant to the problem. Even the wildest enthusiasts only see a net energy gain of about 20%, and that would be at the expense of much food production.

I predict crude oil selling at $100 (USD) within two years and gasoline at over $4.00 a gallon.

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From: Paul Kern1/29/2007 2:13:22 PM
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*DJ Saudi Envoy: Present Crude Price Level 'Adequate'

*DJ Crude Price Level Will Meet Producer, Consumer Needs -Envoy

*DJ Saudis Will Not Use Oil As A Political Tool -Envoy



(MORE TO FOLLOW) Dow Jones Newswires

01-29-07 1405ET

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To: Paul Kern who wrote (79048)1/29/2007 2:14:03 PM
From: Paul Kern   of 178675
 
DJ Saudi Envoy:US Military Strike On Iran Would Be 'A Nightmare'



WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--Saudi Arabia ambassador to the US Turki al Faisal said Monday that not only would a nuclear armed Iran be "a nightmare," but so would't U.S. military strike on Iran to interrupt an alleged nuclear weapons program.


(MORE TO FOLLOW) Dow Jones Newswires

01-29-07 1411ET

Copyright (c) 2007 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

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To: allevett who wrote (79046)1/29/2007 2:28:13 PM
From: Snowshoe1 Recommendation   of 178675
 
Butanol alternative to ethanol: en.wikipedia.org 

Note: Ethanol plants can be retrofitted to produce butanol

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To: Snowshoe who wrote (79050)1/29/2007 2:38:57 PM
From: Snowshoe2 Recommendations   of 178675
 
Molecule with its own URL: butanol.com 

Note to Elmat: ethanol.com  domain is up for sale!!!

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