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To: Big Dog who started this subject	9/20/2004 9:01:36 PM
From: tom pope	of 179038

Is the writer terminally dumb? From the NYT: MOSCOW, Sept. 20 - Yukos, the Russian oil giant, is playing a weak hand well in its battle with the Kremlin by cutting its oil shipments to China ahead of a meeting between leaders of the countries this week, analysts said on Monday. (snip) Analysts say the Yukos move humiliates the Kremlin at a crucial juncture. "Yukos is doing this now because it hits Russia where it hurts," Michael Lelyveld, senior adviser for the PFC Energy consulting group, said in an interview. While only marginally important to Yukos's bottom line, the export cuts to China are a serious embarrassment to Russia's president, Vladimir V. Putin, who in recent weeks pledged to allies and the international community that Russia would not disrupt oil exports to global markets Putin has made it very clear that he will take strong action against anybody who crosses him. How can humiliating Putin be equated with "playing a weak hand well"?

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To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (35171)	9/20/2004 9:43:46 PM
From: Bruce L	of 179038

You couldn't leave it alone, could you Elroy? Que tells you politely - as he tells all other violators - that political discussion is not wanted on this thread. You -believing that you are just the cleverest person around - proceed to insult him. Even though I think we were Cal classmates, my only message to you was that you are a very pompous blowhard. Also, that if you want to debate these topics on another thread, I am very willing to oblige. Russian history has never been a particular focus of mine; but since you ask, I will tell you this: THERE WERE NO RIOTS IN MOSCOW IN 1914; as in ALL European capitals in August of that year, there was wild enthusiasm at the announcement of war: happy throngs of people, citizens lining up to enlist, girls kissing troops entraining for the front etc. Bruce

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To: Bruce L who wrote (35179)	9/20/2004 9:52:06 PM
From: Elroy Jetson	of 179038

I'm so sorry to let you know that there were riots in the streets of Moscow in late 1914, complete with Cossack police beating the participants with sticks. My Grandfather saw their neighbor get shot in the head with a stray shot while the man was standing on his third-floor balcony. Perhaps you were too young at the time to remember this clearly. Incidentally, I sent an email to a Greek friend in Australia with a copy of your silly comments that the Greek community in Melbourne didn't sping into existence because so many Greeks left Greece in 1967 due to the take-over by the right-wing Junta. To quote her exact words, "What sort of naff idiot made that comment."

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To: tom pope who wrote (35177)	9/21/2004 12:15:26 AM
From: Elroy Jetson	of 179038

There's another possible explanation for Yukos cutting off oil exports. Some have suggested that Russia is not currently producing enough oil to supply both domestic needs and export commitments. Suppose Putin desires to cut off exports to first fill domestic needs. Wouldn't it be very convenient to blame this on Khodorkovsky by making the cutbacks through Yukos? The reason I suggest this is that Khodorkovsky signed over his Yukos stock to the government to settle the tax lien against him. So he has no legal authority to tell Yukos to do anything - not that the niceties of official paperwork always counts for much in Russia. Plus I don't know how many board meetings Khodorkovsky is holding in prison. Rather than "playing a weak hand well" perhaps Putin is playing Khodorkovsky's hand for him while he's away from the table. Message 20547148 Is the writer terminally dumb? From the NYT: MOSCOW, Sept. 20 - Yukos, the Russian oil giant, is playing a weak hand well in its battle with the Kremlin by cutting its oil shipments to China ahead of a meeting between leaders of the countries this week, analysts said on Monday. (snip) Analysts say the Yukos move humiliates the Kremlin at a crucial juncture. "Yukos is doing this now because it hits Russia where it hurts," Michael Lelyveld, senior adviser for the PFC Energy consulting group, said in an interview. While only marginally important to Yukos's bottom line, the export cuts to China are a serious embarrassment to Russia's president, Vladimir V. Putin, who in recent weeks pledged to allies and the international community that Russia would not disrupt oil exports to global markets Putin has made it very clear that he will take strong action against anybody who crosses him. How can humiliating Putin be equated with "playing a weak hand well"?

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