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To: shadowman who wrote (127)5/14/2001 1:28:20 PM
From: DOUG H   of 14245
 
Thanks Dennis. William's spot on.

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To: William Marsh who started this subject5/14/2001 5:09:59 PM
From: Snowshoe   of 14245
 
Server firm eyes the (North) Slope
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Although not directly on topic for this thread, this article shows how imagination and economics can combine to provide unusual solutions to the energy crisis. Perhaps there are alternative energy projects that could benefit from the same type of thinking.

INTERNET: Cold, isolation and natural gas appeal to company planning massive data center.

By Maureen Clark
The Associated Press

(Published May 14, 2001)
A new company hopes to tap what Alaska's North Slope has in abundance -- isolation, cold, and natural gas -- to create a huge Internet data storage center.

It's not quite Silicon Valley on the tundra. But the proposal by Netricity LLC could create a new market for Alaska's North Slope gas and help Internet companies searching for a reliable source of power to keep their data flowing.

The project would include construction of a 1 million-square-foot building to house at least half a million computer servers. It would also include construction of a 400-megawatt, gas-fueled electric plant to power the center. The operation would be linked to the Internet via the existing fiber-optic line from the North Slope, which connects with the North Pacific fiber-optic cable.

"We could provide a rock-solid level of reliability, not subject to brownouts like California is facing," said Jim Dodson, an executive vice president with Andex Resources of Houston, Texas, one of the investors in Netricity. "All of our turbines would be spinning 24-7 to serve nothing but the needs of the data center."

Netricity was formed earlier this year by privately held Andex and by MDU Resources Group Inc., parent company of Montana-Dakota Utilities. Billionaire financier George Soros is one of Andex's principal shareholders.

Hundreds of such data centers, also known as Internet hotels or server farms, exist in and around major metropolitan areas nationwide.

With the mushrooming growth of the Internet, the need for new data centers is exploding. Yankee Group, an Internet industry research firm, estimates the data center business generated $9 billion in revenue last year and projects that will grow to more than $47 billion by 2003.

"They're a relatively recent phenomenon with the growth of the digital information society," said Karl Stahlkopf, who analyzes energy issues affecting the high-tech industry for the Electric Power Research Institute. "The whole thing about these is they can be stuck absolutely anywhere you have a confluence of fiber-optic line and power."

But because the centers are such enormous consumers of electricity, utility companies in the Lower 48 worry about the increasing demand on power systems that are already at or nearing their capacity.

Much of the energy consumed by data centers is needed to keep the buildings cool to keep the equipment from overheating. Backers of the Netricity project say the North Slope's low temperatures and dry air make it a perfect environment for a server farm, and its isolation provides security.

"What has been perceived as negatives in development in Alaska in the past actually starts to look like benefits in this project," said Bob Evans, an Alaska lobbyist for Netricity.

Because the project would be on the North Slope, Netricity could tap some of the 35 trillion cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves directly to fire its power plant.

While Alaska's oil producers are studying the feasibility of building a gas pipeline from the North Slope to markets in the Lower 48, the Netricity project would not be dependent on development of a natural gas line.

"We are not a substitute for or in competition with the pipeline project in any way," Dodson said. "We are a supplemental use of the gas in the near term as opposed to the long term."

Dodson said Netricity plans to meet with Alaska's top oil companies, including BP and Phillips Petroleum, to discuss the possible purchase of natural gas.

The company has already approached the Alaska Legislature about the possibility of buying some of the state's share of North Slope gas, and lawmakers adopted a resolution expressing their support for the project.

Rep. Jim Whitaker, R-Fairbanks, said legislators want to know more about the proposal, including how much Netricity would be willing to pay for the gas.

"It's an intriguing concept. The end product brings us into the 21st Century very quickly in terms of technology and industries," Whitaker said. "Given that it's a proposal brought forth by credible players, it's worth looking at."

Dodson declined to say how much the company expects to spend on the project.

Netricity officials say the operation would create about 250 jobs. In addition, modular buildings to house the data center and power plant would be constructed in Anchorage or Nikiski, where modular buildings for the North Slope oil industry are built.

Dodson said the company has spoken with landowners on the North Slope about a possible site and with Internet companies that may want to locate their data servers at Netricity's North Slope operation.

If all goes well, company officials hope to have the data center up and running by 2003.

"It's a step for people to go up there. It's a bold move, but we think it's a logical move," Dodson said.

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To: Snowshoe who wrote (130)5/14/2001 5:58:17 PM
From: Snowshoe   of 14245
 
Two of the main problems with alternative energy sources such as wind, solar, and hydro are: 1) the intermittent nature of production, and 2) distance of the energy source from the market. These are commonly seen as problems of energy storage and transportation.

An alternate approach would be to move the market to the energy source, and to modify the application to use the intermittent energy when it is available (this is the tricky part!). Is anyone aware of developments along these lines?

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To: William Marsh who wrote (128)5/14/2001 6:02:55 PM
From: Stephen O   of 14245
 
I disagree. For a mass market yes, however for relatively wealthy people no. Wait for the next ice storm. That one a couple of years ago in Quebec left people without power for weeks. Trees get blown down across power lines and power can be out for days. In fact it would be a status symbol to have your own power unit in basement. Plus you have to include the total energy cost for a house. An SOFC system generates heat which can be used to heat hot water. An SOFC system will approach an 80% efficiency rate.
Diesel generators are noisy and require substantial relative maintenance.

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To: William Marsh who started this subject5/14/2001 6:04:13 PM
From: rustyjack   of 14245
 
Intermagnetics General (IMG) is a potential player in the electricity distribution market.

They have recently established a SuperPower division to develop and commercialize high temperature superconducting HTS wire for the electric distribution industry. The company is in good fiscal shape with revenues and profits from other divisions growing nicely to fund their HTS development. New management recently and much improved performance. Wall street has just begun to notice the potential. Several new analysts giving strong buy ratings.

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To: rustyjack who wrote (133)5/14/2001 11:55:02 PM
From: DOUG H   of 14245
 
Is that the outfit that bought the division from LU?

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To: DOUG H who wrote (134)5/15/2001 2:34:43 AM
From: Lisa A. Grabenbauer   of 14245
 
>>Is that the outfit that bought the division from LU?<<

Tyco bought LU's Power Division based in Dallas for $2 Billion.

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To: Lisa A. Grabenbauer who wrote (135)5/15/2001 3:02:21 AM
From: DOUG H   of 14245
 
Thank you.

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To: Stephen O who wrote (132)5/15/2001 3:57:01 AM
From: LTK007   of 14245
 
<I disagree. For a mass market yes, however for relatively wealthy people no. Wait for the next ice storm. That one a couple of years ago in Quebec > that ice storm wasn't just Quebec,believe me--it Devastated the state of Maine(some places went 6-weeks without power)--3 days into it i got rid of my old generator and put in a Northern Lights with a diesel tank hooked up so it could run continuously for 3-weeks if need be.
Cost,11,000 dollars inclusive of all installation costs.Was a tax write-off because it was purchased during a fed declared emergency.
I have located in the garage away from earshot,but these suckers make noise,a lot of noise,and if you don't vent well you will die fast from it's exhaust.
I want very much to get a hands on test of HPOW residential unit to see how they work.max

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To: DOUG H who wrote (134)5/15/2001 7:22:51 AM
From: rustyjack   of 14245
 
IMG and LU...
Intermagnetics General Corporation announced a license
agreement with Lucent Technologies Inc. for a portfolio of
120 United States and international patents and pending
patents for superconducting...
August 03, 2000

Intermagnetics General Corporation announced a license agreement with Lucent
Technologies Inc. for a portfolio of 120 United States and international patents and
pending patents for superconducting materials and devices. Intermagnetics paid
Lucent an undisclosed amount in cash and granted Lucent warrants to purchase
Intermagnetics Common Stock in exchange for the license.

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