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To: MSB who wrote (6283)3/14/2001 2:25:55 AM
From: Neocon   of 59423
 
I do not think anyone can teach. I also don't think that we need or can reasonably afford the very best minds in those classrooms. It is always a trade off for the most efficient use of a limited resource. Anyway, I need sleep......good night!

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To: The Philosopher who wrote (6270)3/14/2001 6:59:26 AM
From: Oral Roberts   of 59423
 
If I were to offer 1 important piece of advice to a new parent it would be to throw the television away when you bring your baby home. Unfortunately I know this from my own experience. I'm not blaming the programing for society's ills. It's the fact that it requires no thought. Kids don't learn to play, interact or entertain themselves. I really think it is a direct cause for many of our problems. Parents my age almost used the tv as a baby sitter. Numbs their minds and the secondary effect is you are not spending time with your child reading or interacting in any other way.

If you don't have a tv you are forced to take your child outside to play or to read to them or whatever else. In other words interact and teach them the joy of reading or the ability to entertain themselves. Your forced to open their mind to the world around them sparking their creativity and interest in the world.

I sadly feel this was my and many of my friends biggest downfall as parents. I can meet friends and classmates of my daughters and within minutes I can tell you how much time they have spent watching tv and whether their parents used Barney movies or whatever else as a babysitter.

We have a whole generation of mind numbed kids out there and we as parents were the problem with tv's help:(

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To: greenspirit who wrote (6272)3/14/2001 7:08:31 AM
From: Oral Roberts   of 59423
 
Geez you guys are making me blush!

You have hit the nail on the head. Job satisfaction is much more then pay. I was recruited by a local company in the early 80's to be their national director of food sales. I left a job I loved for a huge raise in pay. I hated my new job and couldn't get out of there fast enough. I lasted less then a year and took a huge pay cut when I left.

I actually think that pay is way down on the list of important items. If you don't like coming to work no amount of pay will change that. Work needs to be fun. You spend more awake hours with your co-workers then you do with your own family.

When I am looking for a new hire I will discount someone immediately if I get the feeling that they are just interested in pay and a paycheck. They wouldn't fit in with our work family.

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To: CVJ who wrote (6280)3/14/2001 7:50:40 AM
From: Thehammer   of 59423
 
Chas,
I will give some thought to your suggestion and respond this evening. I agree with you in principal. However, money as many of the politicians, would have you believe is not the only issue. I still have a problem with the "free advertising", presented as news by the liberal press.
Also, I do not know the legal answer to this but will not assume," Can we agree that Freedom of Speech applies only to individual persons and not to institutions?" You may well be correct with this. Perhaps some legal scholars can shed some light.
Later..

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To: Zoltan! who wrote (6241)3/14/2001 9:02:13 AM
From: Tom Clarke   of 59423
 
Definitive Dan

By Vaughn Ververs
© National Journal Group Inc.
Tuesday, March 13, 2001

Last Friday we learned that three of Bill Clinton's presidential utterances had made it into the latest edition of "Bartlett's Book of Familiar Quotations." Think about that -- just three sentences spoken during eight years of leading the free world were judged to be worthy of inclusion.

Perhaps not coincidentally, last Friday also marked the 20th anniversary of Dan Rathers' tenure as anchor of "CBS Evening News." In those two decades, Rather has seen CBS fall and rise, he's tied himself to trees in the middle of a hurricane, become the main target of Republicans who view him as liberally-biased and been the subject of a hit pop-rock song.

Whatever you think of him, it's hard to argue with the notion that Rather is, at least, entertaining -- and very, very quotable. His folksy (strange, bizarre -- pick your own adjective) sayings and colorful Texas-style metaphors have become a fixture in TV news, especially as the "Ratherisms" have evolved. And while he's known to go off on almost any subject, Rather seems most at home applying them to politics.

In 1996, Rather was asked whether he would continue anchoring well into the new century and replied: "I'd love to, but that's not going to happen. You can sooner expect a tall, talking broccoli stick to offer to mow your lawn for free. Television is a young person's game and I'm living on borrowed time." The year is now 2001. Rather is still here and the lawn-mowing broccoli sticks are still in the ground.

Perhaps Dan will someday have his own chapter in "Bartlett's," filled with "Ratherisms." To that end, we present the following (political) suggestions for consideration, gathered from The Hotline database and other sources:

The Historic 2000 Presidential Election

"This presidential race is crackling like a hickory fire."

"The presidential race still hotter than a Laredo parking lot."

"Al Gore may be as cross as a snapping turtle about this Tennessee situation."

"If you're in the kitchen, Mable, come back in the front room. ... They'll be doing backflips in Nashville."

"This knock-down, drag-out battle drags on into the night, and turn the lights down, this party just got wilder."

"Let me pause and say folks, this thing is so wild, wacky and wooly, nobody knows how it's going to come out."

"Let me tell you, I don't give people advice, but if the kids haven't gone to sleep, get 'em in the room, because people are going to be talking about this presidential race for a long time to come."

"Call a doctor, call the police, call a psychic.... Al Gore's situation is he's basically got his back to the wall, his shirttail on fire, and a bill collector's at the door, but he's not yet finished."

"If Gore comes back now, it'd have to be rated as one of the greatest comebacks since Lazarus. It's possible."

"This is very tough for the families to go through, very tough for the candidates to go through, very tough for the people in these campaigns, who pour their heart and soul into these things. But let's have some perspective. A cop on the beat -- walking the beat has a lot of pressure. A salesman trying to meet his quota has a lot of pressure, so while there's empathy, even sympathy for these two candidates, let's keep in mind that they chose to do this."

"The Sunshine State will have plenty of sunshine for Al Gore."

"You can bet that Governor Bush'll be madder than a rained-on rooster that his brother, the governor, wasn't able to carry this state for him."

"One of the closest elections in U.S. history; Bush has won it. The son also rises."

"Sip it, savor it, cup it, Photostat it, underline it in red, press it in a book, put it in an album, hang it on a wall -- George Bush is the next president of the United States."

"Hold onto the bedstead or something -- 629 votes separate Bush and Gore in Florida.... We're not dialing back, at least not yet."

"CBS News has now, for the second time tonight, pulled back Florida. We are now putting Florida in the undecided category.... We do the best we can on these calls."

"Now that will have the Bush people in Austin jumping out of their seats like they were stabbed with hatpins."

"Now, if you're disgusted with us, frankly, I don't blame you."

"Vice President Al Gore, the vanquished, in a night that is, for him, a requiem for a heavyweight."

"We made a mistake. We were wrong. We were just flat wrong. ... This is my story. This is my song."

"Let's pause and take a deep breath, appreciate it for what it is. This is the dance of democracy. This is as close as we come to a kind of a sacred time in this country. Election Day, where people go and pull the curtain behind them, no one but you and the electronics -- or however you vote -- just you and the ballot. This day votes only talk, everything else walks."

The Universal Ratherisms (For Use In Any Campaign Season)

"Seldom is heard a discouraging word for any Republican in the Southwest."

"I'm prepared to say that they're playing what amounts to a sudden death overtime."

"We may not know for sure even after you've finished the next pot of coffee."

"You'd have to say this thing is as tight as rusted lug nuts on a '55 Ford. Doesn't get much closer than this."

"The way this night is going, wild and wooly as it is, who can say?"

"His lead is now shakier than cafeteria Jell-O."

"It's spandex tight."

"When it comes to reporting a race like this, I'm a long-distance runner and an all-day hunter."

"They put up and now they can shut up, because they've won."

"This race was as hot and squalid as a New York elevator in August."

"This much tension you can't cut with a saw, it requires a blowtorch."

"Very tough and tight all night long, close as the pages in a book."

"This race is as tight as a too-small bathing suit on a too-hot car ride back from the beach."

"This campaign and election has provided full employment for TV pundits; for what, I'm not quite sure."

"As secure as a double knot tied with wet rawhide."

"We may see Michael Jackson's baby before we know the outcome in the House."

The ads "were so nasty people had to send the kids out of the room... You couldn't watch without a V-chip."

"If you believe there's going to be meaningful campaign finance reform in the next Congress, you'll believe that rocks grow and water runs uphill."

"A real ding-dong battle."

"Names heard usually only on merchant ships or on cable TV in the wee early hours of the morning."

"It was always a big rock up a high hill. The rock just got bigger and the hill just got higher."

"Off to a big start rolling like a big wheel through a cotton field."

"If you like politics, this will melt the wax right out of your ears."

"There are a lot of Senate races hotter than a hickory fire at this hour."

"These states swing like a pendulum do."

"For politicians out there, there's material here that will make their fingernails sweat."

"If Texas isn't the Big Enchilada, it's a huge taco."

"You can bet the baby's milk money."

"Like raven on a road kill."

"You trust your mother, but you cut the cards."

"If a frog had pockets, he'd carry a handgun."

"Courage."

So there you have it. We here at "Talking Heads" can't wait to see what Rather comes up with for Election Night 2002.

Vaughn Ververs is editor of The Hotline, the National Journal Group's daily briefing on politics.






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To: Gordon A. Langston who wrote (6276)3/14/2001 10:03:43 AM
From: thames_sider   of 59423
 
I doubt you will be booted if you just bow in the general direction of Texas.;)

Something's wrong here, surely...

I've been to Texas several times (Dallas, Austin, & Houston - I've relatives in the last) and really got on well with the Texans I met. They were very friendly, liked my accent (and I liked the Texan drawl) and didn't threaten me once.

Gulp. It must be easier to become a RWE than I thought... I'd better vanish for self-preservation.

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To: Gordon A. Langston who wrote (6276)3/14/2001 10:30:44 AM
From: Magnatizer   of 59423
 
Gordon

I have been bowing in the general direction of Texas since 1978

hawkeyesports.com 

Hayden Fry: Greatest Texan ever, IMO.

I am a weeee bit biased ;-)

ht
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To: Oral Roberts who wrote (6286)3/14/2001 10:34:38 AM
From: flapjack   of 59423
 
Re: "They wouldn't fit in with our work family."

And what happens when the heads of this employment family go after the workers' pension plan because of the level of its overfunding?

What happens when the corporate suits tell the workers' bargaining committee (which I served on) "these actuarial tables, etc., are too complicated for anyone to really understand. Just trust us on this one."

So the little bears take management's proposal to a pension lawyer and actuary and they all say the same thing: "Don't do it, boys and girls. Management's trying to pull a fast one here."

Deceptions like this tend to ruin this "family bond," wouldn't you say?

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To: flapjack who wrote (6291)3/14/2001 10:37:39 AM
From: Magnatizer   of 59423
 
flap

Why do you stay at this company?

ht
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To: thames_sider who wrote (6273)3/14/2001 10:41:29 AM
From: flapjack   of 59423
 
Re: "Defined benefit pensions are also highly inequitable."

Disagree. They were set up by companies in the '50s and '60s to reward employee loyalty, since the payout generally was based on average annual salary X years of service.

Converting from a defined benefit plan to a cash-balance plan discriminates against older employees, as IBM found out last year.

Cash-balance pension plans are not discriminatory by themselves. What's discriminatory is terminating defined benefit plans in order to set up a cash-balance plan.

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