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To: cosmicforce who wrote (3364)1/21/2001 6:12:30 PM
From: Poet of 6089
 
Cosmic,

Yup, you're right, these guys aren't "out".

LOL about Repub sex. Makes me shiver...and not in a good way. <g>

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To: Poet who wrote (3345)1/21/2001 6:14:13 PM
From: E of 6089
 
I haven't the least doubt that Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broderick. That is often forgotten, but not by me.

There are those who don't believe it, but I don't think many who followed the details of the case closely at the time, watched her interviews and those of her husband and the friend who found her on the bed with her torn pantyhose and bruises after Clinton left are in the group of unbelievers.

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To: E who wrote (3366)1/21/2001 7:12:46 PM
From: Poet of 6089
 
My goodness, E. I have to admit that I know very little about Juanita Broderick. It's time I did some digging. Thank you for bringing it up.

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To: Poet who wrote (3367)1/21/2001 7:24:45 PM
From: E of 6089
 
It's a strange thing, the Broderick case. If I hadn't happened on a program about the case, in which she was interviewed, and her friend and husband were, and the claims made were detailed and researched, I would probably have assumed it simply couldn't be true. But after I saw the program, which was completely persuasive to me (and I don't believe Clinton has ever called her a liar), I began paying attention. It is SO strange, really. I think nobody has called her a liar. It's as though it is simply more than can be computed.

Let me know what you think. It was all so long ago the details of the circumstantial evidence are no longer fresh in my mind, but I do recall a few of them. The program was one of those 60 Minutes type programs.

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To: epicure who wrote (3362)1/21/2001 7:27:19 PM
From: ecommerceman of 6089
 
X-Yeah, I can't imagine that being a member of a party where many of the members find me less than human--you're right, how could you not have a certain amount of self-loathing from that....
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That is probably true. It must be awful to be republican by philosophy but know that so many other people who are that way will despise you merely because of your sexual orientation. I would think that would cause great self doubt and maybe even some self loathing.

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To: Lane3 who wrote (3363)1/21/2001 7:31:52 PM
From: ecommerceman of 6089
 
Karen--I think that's right, unless they're filled with so much self-loathing that they define themselves AS gay and Republican and do so as an expression of their self-hatred.
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People define themselves by their job, ethnicity, gender, religion, values, location, family, etc. Some people are mothers who happen to be Jews. Some people are North Carolinians who happen to be cab drivers. If you're a something-or-other who happens to be gay, you could be a Republican but not if you're a gay first.

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To: E who wrote (3368)1/21/2001 8:34:24 PM
From: epicure of 6089
 
I wish I'd seen that. I read a little about her- but it never sounded very compelling.

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To: epicure who wrote (3371)1/21/2001 10:12:38 PM
From: E of 6089
 
I just did a quick search. I found a few items, the same number using the spelling I used, Broderick, and using the apparently correct one, Brodderick.

But it's mainly people weighing in rather than a detailed discussion of the evidence.

It was very, very compelling to me. And you might remember that I was not at all impressed with Paula Jones's case. I got in a certain amount of hot water on feelies for expressing my lack respect for her motivation and claims.

Brodderick is a different case altogether. I would bet my house that he invited himself to her hotel room (she was there for some conference, she claimed; and by looking in old newspapers, the researchers for the program learned that the conference was, in fact, going on there at that time); they stood at the hotel room window and discussed a certain building (this building wasn't there, though, the researchers found when they looked out the window of the hotel room where she stayed those years before; but when they researched, they learned it used to be); he made a pass, and when she resisted, he pushed her down on the bed, pinned her down with his much superior weight and by biting hard on her lip to stop her from moving; ripped her pantyhose off; and raped her.

If I recall, he put his sunglasses on before he left the room.

A friend of hers arrived not long after. This friend was interviewed. Brodderick was lying on the bed, still. Her lip was bitten and swollen. Her pantyhose had been torn. She had been raped.

There were a couple of others who had been told contemporaneously. Her second husband, who was her lover at the time, I believe was one. (If I remember correctly, she at first lied to him about how she got the swollen lip, but then told him.) She was married to another man at the time, and the man to whom she is now married was her lover.

I heard all this a couple of years ago, so can't swear to every detail, and it is incomplete.

But I saw her interviewed at length. I believed every word. Unlike Paula Jones, she got nothing out of making this report. Her interview and the circumstantial evidence convinced me beyond any doubt.

And I believe he's never said she was lying.

People didn't know how to handle it. It couldn't be proved after all that time, and the statute of limitations had passed for prosecution. And it is just so utterly incredible.

Here's a quote from a Drudge Report link showing one media figure's reaction:

The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that
Editor Tina Brown did not want the
Broaddrick question explored in the Hillary
Clinton interview, hitting newsstands on
Tuesday.

According to publishing sources, Brown was
personally involved in the final edit of the
interview.

"The feeling was," one insider told the
DRUDGE REPORT, "that Broaddrick was not
important or relevant to the current
discussion."

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To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (3352)1/21/2001 10:20:47 PM
From: Mighty_Mezz of 6089
 
In terms of the number of fatalities, the most dangerous drug is most likely Tylenol. That's some toxic stuff!
Acetaminophen (Tylenol) is perhaps one of the more potentially dangerous analgesic
drugs. An intentional overdose can be fatal, and chronic dosing may cause liver and
kidney damage as well.

lef.org 

In the US: Acetaminophen is one of the most common agents in overdose reported to the American Association of Poison Control
Centers. Hepatic failure due to APAP toxicity is the most common cause of hepatic failure requiring liver transplantation in both the
US and Great Britain.

emedicine.com 

... Mezz - Free the weed!

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To: Poet who started this subject1/22/2001 1:58:37 PM
From: YlangYlangBreeze of 6089
 
Gimme five Po!!! This is really an honor, considering the source, and the scope of really obnoxious people on the thread. Now I can see how he would call me obnoxious, but you are almost always perfectly civil, so it must be the content of your posts. I envy you. j


To: YlangYlangBreeze who wrote (2215)
From: Bald Eagle
Monday, Jan 22, 2001 1:32 PM ET
Reply # of 2236


You and Poet are definitely two of the most obnoxious people I ever come across on SI. ...

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