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To: bentway who wrote (283752)4/10/2006 11:39:42 PM
From: combjelly   of 717693
 
"The national Republican Party, which paid millions in legal bills to defend Tobin, says the contacts involved routine election business and that it was "preposterous" to suggest the calls involved phone jamming."

Ummm, right. Which is why they are spending the money. They regularly do this. Ok, no they don't. I am sure there is something that differentiates this case. Don't bother me, I am trying to research this. I am sure there is something that absolves Rove here, I just haven't found it...

Look, I will get back to you. Trust me.

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To: tejek who wrote (283602)4/10/2006 11:50:16 PM
From: Amy J   of 717693
 
Tejek, "Ten years ago," says Shelbyville principal Tom Zobel, "if we had a problem student, the plan was, 'OK, let's figure out how to get rid of this kid.' Now we have to get them help."

cnn.com 

Remember how much harder school was during those couple of years just prior to when trouble makers got old enough to be kicked out of school? And when they did get kicked out, suddenly the overall productivity of the school jumped many notches higher because teachers and students can really focus on their education and studies?

While I definitely agree that 30% drop out rate is horrible and believe they should fix this, I definitely don't think innocent children that simply want to go to school, study and earn money for college, should continually pay the price for other students that cause trouble (or that bring in dangerous weapons to school and other such things in today's environment) - school is hard enough when you are working many hours to earn money, than to be tossed into an environment where it's not safe, disruptive and burdensome.

I think they should fix it by having different tracks for different students based upon whether a child threatens another. I would add they should include those students that misbehave by picking on the mentally retarded from the special education classes, because it apparently continues to be a field day to pick on those less fortunate because they know they won't get in trouble for it.

I remember this one student next to me in my biology class (who never bothered me because I always said hi to him), but he and the biology teacher got into a physical fight. He was a threatening person when he would lose control of his temper and that really is disruptive to learning because you always have to be on your guard with someone like that, rather than focusing on what the teacher is saying.

I think people that attend private school (that have zero tolerance to any poor behavior) have no clue what it is like or how hard public school is for children that simply want to learn, read, study and grow, so they get fancy notions in their heads that all the dangerous children (that should be kicked out) should not be kicked out. The poorer the school district the harder it is - and then they want someone to come along and tell you that you have tolerate even more bad behavior because they don't want to kick the bad kids out? Yeesh. They should get consistent rules in place and publish them and have zero tolerance to violence, threats, name-calling, etc. When a child goes to school nowadays, they don't even know what the rules are so too many of them are in an ever-present-state-of-fear because the rules aren't consistent nor published nor consistenly applied, so they are shut out from studying safely.

Of course, the opposite extreme exists in some places like Palo Alto where I hear children get kicked out for the most mildest things.

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To: combjelly who wrote (283753)4/11/2006 12:11:26 AM
From: bentway   of 717693
 
Yes, the Repugnicans are just SO evil, it's just too hard to believe. Will we ever know the truth of it, or just always be looking at the shadows on the cave walls, speculating?

With Nixon, we had a man so deluded as to believe his every utterance was history and tape it for posterity, just not the one he had in mind.

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To: bentway who wrote (283755)4/11/2006 1:08:39 AM
From: Amy J   of 717693
 
Am glad they allowed the families of victims speak at the trial

cnn.com 

Too many times, courts don't seem to allow this? I think they should always permit this, so a jury sees what the victims go through before they make their decision.

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To: Amy J who wrote (283756)4/11/2006 1:14:16 AM
From: Tenchusatsu   of 717693
 
Amy, I think they should always permit this, so a jury sees what the victims go through before they make their decision.

So what do you think? Should Moussaoui get the death penalty?

Tenchusatsu

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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (283757)4/11/2006 1:23:32 AM
From: Amy J   of 717693
 
Absolutely not - it'll make a "martyr" out of him and thus be more fuel for fanatics and create more problems than what we already have.

Ditto for bin Laden. Best if they are locked up behind jail forever.

I also do not believe in the death penalty. But in this situation, even if you do believe in the death penalty, giving him one could potentially create a national security risk for our country over the years.

I'd rather see this country focused on preventing danger so we can live safely in our country, rather than fueling it.

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To: bentway who wrote (283752)4/11/2006 1:35:01 AM
From: Amy J   of 717693
 
Wow, this is worse than Nixon - at least Nixon didn't block a voter's right to vote !

"The records show that Bush campaign operative James Tobin, who recently was convicted in the case, made two dozen calls to the White House within a three-day period around Election Day 2002 — as the phone jamming operation was finalized, carried out and then abruptly shut down.

....Repeated hang-up calls that jammed telephone lines at a Democratic get-out-the-vote center occurred in a Senate race in which Republican John Sununu defeated Democrat Jeanne Shaheen, 51 percent to 46 percent, on Nov. 5, 2002.
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analysis of phone records introduced at Tobin's criminal trial show he made 115 outgoing calls — mostly to the same number in the White House political affairs office — between Sept. 17 and Nov. 22, 2002. Two dozen of the calls were made from 9:28 a.m. the day before the election through 2:17 a.m. the night after the voting. Prosecutors did not need the White House calls to convict Tobin and negotiate the two guilty pleas.

The phone records show that most calls to the White House were from Tobin, who became President Bush's presidential campaign chairman for the New England region in 2004.
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So many corrupt people.

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To: tejek who wrote (283602)4/11/2006 1:44:13 AM
From: Amy J   of 717693
 
Tejek, "for instance poor mother-child interaction -- which are often associated with premature birth, that lead to attention deficit,"

news.yahoo.com 

Isn't it strange to see an educated person focus only on "mother-child interaction" rather than "mother and father's child interaction". It's like the person is from the 50s and hasn't updated his notion towards having both parents involved, not just one.

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To: American Spirit who wrote (283593)4/11/2006 1:46:40 AM
From: Amy J   of 717693
 
Hi AS, how come the so-called "Justice" Department hasn't investigated this with the White House:

Message 22346011

"The Justice Department has secured three convictions in the case but hasn't accused any White House or national Republican officials of wrongdoing"

[ even though ... ]

Key figures in a phone-jamming scheme designed to keep New Hampshire Democrats from voting in 2002 had regular contact with the White House and Republican Party as the plan was unfolding, phone records introduced in criminal court show.

The records show that Bush campaign operative James Tobin, who recently was convicted in the case, made two dozen calls to the White House within a three-day period around Election Day 2002 — as the phone jamming operation was finalized, carried out and then abruptly shut down.

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To: Taro who wrote (283681)4/11/2006 2:03:22 AM
From: Amy J   of 717693
 
RE: " as long as the perception of the differences between the standard of living between Mexico and the US is that enormous, we are on a losing track trying to curtail illegal immigration. Long term we need to invest a lot more money and effort to help Mexico to make it more attractive to their citizens to stay down there "

This is true. Grace (on Real Estate thread) said exactly the same thing - you don't see illegal border crossing from Canada to the same enormous degree you see it with our other border, so the obvious conclusion is to help build up Mexico's businesses as well as beef up border patrol.

Btw, the reason why Germany had problems with Turks is because they denied citizenship from them in their guest visa program, thus, they made Turks second class citizens. That type of alienation (rather than integration) is what fuels problems. Ditto for having different languages - I think they need to make English the official language and remove the requirement for any other languages from all places except hospitals. Santa Clara County alone spends $1m or $10m (forgot which) to put its voter ballot in a zillion different languages. That's nuts. That money could be better spent on the handicapped - helpless people that truly need the funds.

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