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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (63847)5/6/2003 4:32:29 PM
From: mindmeld   of 77183
 
Lizzie, do you still think that networking or software for that matter is a growth industry? I've been thinking for a couple of years now that the technology industry as we know it is now a mature industry and should be valued as such (think DB software, PCs, networking, ERP software, productivity software, IT services, etc). However the Internet may still drive big time growth in some new niche's within technology. What do you think?

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To: Eric who wrote (63849)5/6/2003 4:38:30 PM
From: 2MAR$   of 77183
 
CSCO Financial Highlights

Cash flows from operations were $1.26 billion for the third quarter of fiscal 2003, compared with $1.59 billion for the third quarter of fiscal 2002, and compared with $1.36 billion for the second quarter of fiscal 2003.
Cash and cash equivalents and total investments were $20.3 billion at the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2003, compared with $21.5 billion at the end of fiscal year 2002, and compared with $21.2 billion at the end of the second quarter of fiscal 2003.
During the third quarter of fiscal 2003, Cisco repurchased $2.0 billion of common stock. The total amount of stock repurchases for the first nine months of fiscal 2003 was $4.5 billion.
Days sales outstanding (DSO) in accounts receivable at the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2003 were 23 days, compared with 21 days at the end of the fourth quarter of fiscal 2002 and the second quarter of fiscal 2003.
Inventory turns were 7.0 in the third quarter of fiscal 2003, consistent with the fourth quarter of fiscal 2002 and the second quarter of fiscal 2003. On call, says book-to-bill in Q3 was slightly below 1.0

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To: mindmeld who wrote (63850)5/6/2003 4:43:21 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor   of 77183
 
I think software and networking are still growth areas but the growth is muted because it is being absorbed by some otherwise mature companies like Cisco and SAP. This was not what we had in the early 90s, THEN you had growth + new companies everywhere (cisco, oracle, etc)- so that was ideal from an investment perspective... we don't have that now. This period seems more like the early-mid 80s for technology where IBM had the lions share of business and to play the new growth areas you had to buy IBM stock, there were no pure plays then.

The issue is the wildcard of depressed demand due to overcapacity. This is the bulls ace in the hole. Take a look at the dot com companies especially amzn and its performance in the past year. The dot coms collapsed first and recovered first, it was sort of a preview that could happen to some of the other industries, where all competition has been destroyed and only a few players left when a mkt comes back from the dead.

I still think we have phase 2 of internet growth to look forward to, but I'm glad I am at least old enough to remember when this same sentiment happened after PCs went through a shakeout in the late 80s. If I hadn't seen that I would probably think networking was done forever too.

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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (63852)5/6/2003 4:56:35 PM
From: mindmeld   of 77183
 
Interesting perspective. Yes, I think we still have lots of exciting things that could happen as a direct result of the Internet. For example, broadband penetration keeps increasing, which makes all sorts of things possible. True video on demand is here and is generating expectations beating customer demand to Time Warner, at least. The adoption of Internet 2 will happen sometime in the future, with fiber to the home type speeds. Ubiquitous online gaming is taking off like a rocket. B2B continues to grow like gaingbusters. All of these elements will continue to drive innovation and new products and services that will effect the health of our entire economy.

However, Cisco, like you said, is like IBM of old. They are large and dominant. The law of large numbers has caught up with them. Since Cisco really IS the networking king, their growth reflects the market's growth. And right now, it's disappointing. So I think Cisco at least should be categorized as a mature company along with Microsoft and Oracle.

Maybe technology can still be a growth industry again one day, but the growth companies of old that won the war, are now reaping the rewards, namely of being recategorized as mature companies.

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To: mindmeld who wrote (63853)5/6/2003 5:07:12 PM
From: mindmeld   of 77183
 
OK. So the two major things that we were waiting for (Fed report and Cisco earnings) are over. The market ran up in anticipation of these two things.

Now we know that the Fed says things are sufficiently bad out there that they may have to cut rates in June. In addition, Cisco's sales slipped, which shows that technology spending hasn't really turned around yet. We also know that May-June are usually weak stock market months.

My guess is that May selling will start in earnest tomorrow or later this week. I'm thinking we might see a return to around 8,100 again before the end of this month. What does anyone else think?

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To: mindmeld who wrote (63854)5/6/2003 5:13:35 PM
From: mindmeld   of 77183
 
FYI. Looks like Buffet is as guilty as all the others when it comes to CEO pay: money.cnn.com 

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To: Jacob S. Rosenberg who started this subject5/6/2003 5:55:29 PM
From: hdl   of 77183
 
one pro forma penny to the plus side and csco is down after hours

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To: mindmeld who wrote (63854)5/6/2003 6:38:45 PM
From: Victor Lazlo   of 77183
 
I agree. There's simply no fear in this mkt right now. Very little short interest. Not a bullish sign.

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To: mindmeld who wrote (63854)5/6/2003 6:59:26 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor   of 77183
 
I predict a small selloff and then resumption of the rise.

There is something that happened in the month of april that is difficult to quantify, the resumption of demand after a completely DEAD march (remember the warnings that cisco was tracking low... they made up for it all in apr) and more importantly a return to optimism wrt tech. I'm going to buy into any selloff in tech this time around, my guess is fall is pretty decent, just a hunch but sometimes those are all you get!

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To: hdl who wrote (63856)5/6/2003 7:20:38 PM
From: faqsnlojiks    of 77183
 
CSCO stock is simply doing what CSCO stock does. Buy on the run-up, and sell on earnings has been the mantra for the last several qtrs.

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