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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (4289)11/29/2000 1:24:39 PM
From: washcapsfan   of 4467
 
Morgan,

Agreed...I am not looking to bail, but given all the talk for the past year and a half or so, we are seeing very little synergistic marketing happening.

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To: Mark Sagarin who started this subject12/1/2000 2:20:54 AM
From: michael r potter   of 4467
 
SFE $8 3/4 Capitulation bottom today? Good chance of it. Check out the volume compared to the last 6 mo. Margin selling and tax loss liquidation must have been a large part of it. askresearch.com  thanks, Mike

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To: michael r potter who wrote (4291)12/1/2000 11:26:15 AM
From: Sir Francis Drake   of 4467
 
SFE $8 3/4 Capitulation bottom today? A lot of stocks hit some kind of intermediate bottom yesterday, and we have a relief rally today. Yesterday SFE hit $8, and closed at 8 3/4. Today, it is at 9 so far, not super impressive, but the day is young. The key question is whether there'll be a sustained climb from here, or whether SFE will be stuck around these levels for awhile, regardless of whether a short/intermediate term bottom has been set yesterday. In the past, SFE has not always been very fast with bouncing back - and in fact, it could re-test the bottom. Back in 98, Oct. 7/8 has been the bottom for most stocks - SFE hit a low of around 6.5 then, but by Oct 14 when most stocks were already considerably higher, SFE managed to hit the real bottom of 6. Perhaps it will be different this time, as SFE is a much better known stock now, and also the whole VC/incubator sector has become better known - if other stocks in the sector make significant moves, I suppose SFE will not be ignored. Odd thing is, ICGE is doing considerably better at the moment as is CMGI.

Morgan

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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (4292)12/1/2000 9:47:20 PM
From: tuck   of 4467
 
Guys,

This might be the problem today:

siliconinvestor.com

CATP delisted.

Cheers, Tuck

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To: tuck who wrote (4293)12/2/2000 12:31:18 AM
From: tuck   of 4467
 
CATP delisted from S&P 400 that is, not the NAZ.

Cheers, Tuck

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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (4292)12/4/2000 10:08:46 AM
From: Sir Francis Drake   of 4467
 
Indeed, SFE moving below the low established last Thursday. Broke 8 on heavy volume. Sector not in favor, but seems SFE hit harder than most.

Morgan

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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (4295)12/4/2000 11:12:46 AM
From: Sir Francis Drake   of 4467
 
Allright, in at 7 3/8 for another trade. I'll keep half of these new shares and sell half on any significant bounce (should there be any, LOL!). I think we may be either at a bottom here or extremely close. Hard for me to imagine SFE would break 7, though I guess you never know in extreme markets.

Morgan

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To: Mark Sagarin who started this subject12/5/2000 2:41:28 AM
From: Sir Francis Drake   of 4467
 
SFE is now down some 92% from its all-time high. Such numbers are comparable to CMGI which is down some 95%, ICGE is down by 97%, and so on. By those standards, SFE actually is not doing so badly, LOL! Does it mean SFE has further downside to match the declines of an ICGE or CMGI? Well, FWIW, plenty of these stocks have hit new lows today - not just SFE, but ICGE (and CMGI re-tested its low).

I suppose that it may seem nasty since SFE has declined today on the 3rd heaviest volume since May 1, and in fact the last 3 heaviest volumes since May 1 happened Thursday, with 3+mln, Friday with 2+ mln, and Monday with 2+mln. And they were all days of heavy declines for the stock. As a matter of fact, of the last 10 occasions where during a trading day more than 1+ mln shares traded, on 9 of those occasions, SFE declined. A sell-off if there ever was one.

I suppose that short term, we should have a rally in the market - and this might even provide an excuse for some relief rally in SFE, short term, even though on previous market rally occasions, SFE has managed to decline (to wit: Friday). However, as one poster observed many points ago:

"when SFE broke support at $30, the next $15 points down came pretty easily. It is safe to say, the next $15 points for the bears are going to be infinitely tougher to obtain."

Well, these declines have been shocking to most in the market, even on a historical basis - this was a powerful decline and not many can claim to not have been surprised. I wouldn't blame anyone for not foreseeing this depth of collapse in many stocks - including SFE. Be that as it may, I think we can adopt that observation to this downscale situation here... so, if I may paraphrase:

>>I think it is safe to assume that the next 7 points will be infinitely tougher for the bears to obtain.<<

In other words, while the downside may seem limited at this point (at least that's the hope - only 7-8 points left to ZERO, LOL!), what has me in a pensive mood, is the UPSIDE POTENTIAL. I think that actually not all tax-loss selling has been done yet - we still got the rest of December (I know that the argument has been made already 2 months ago that most tax-loss selling should have been out of the way, but I didn't buy it entirely then, nor do I buy it now). Perhaps some of the selling will be countered by bargain hunters - perhaps even some who sold 31 days ago (or more) - and maybe that will be enough to prevent a further decline or slow it at least - and who knows, maybe even provide a small lift.

So, I have bought here at 7 3/8, a reasonably hefty number of shares. I intend to sell at least half of these on the next run-up which, should it occur, perhaps as soon as today, I don't expect to be too substantial. And I intend to sell half of those shares purchased at 7 3/8 as a simple defensive measure. For more than the danger of further declines, I fear something else: STAGNATION. I'd rather not sit on too large a position of dead money. So, I'll sell half of these trading shares on the next run-up (should there be one), and then maybe let the rest run for as long as the basic company (not stock), is executing. And that is a question in my mind - is SFE-the-company, executing? The deeper I dig, the more uneasy I grow. We'll see where all this leads.

Morgan

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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (4297)12/5/2000 9:38:26 AM
From: Sir Francis Drake   of 4467
 
Indeed, many were shocked by recent declines in the market, even those with many years of experience. Pete Musser too had to meet margin calls:

biz.yahoo.com 

"Tuesday December 5, 9:10 am Eastern Time

Press Release

7.5 Million Safeguard Shares Sold by CEO to Meet Personal Obligations

WAYNE, Pa.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 5, 2000--Safeguard Scientifics, Inc. (NYSE:SFE - news) announced today that 7.5 million shares of Safeguard stock owned by its Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Warren V. ``Pete'' Musser, have been sold in a series of privately negotiated block transactions.

The shares were sold to satisfy Musser's personal obligations under several margin loan arrangements.

``I regret being in a position where there was no alternative other than the sale of Safeguard shares,'' Musser said. ``I had never sold a share of Safeguard stock until October 2000 and would not be a seller today except for my personal financial situation, which was caused by the market downturn in the technology sector. I have been a believer in Safeguard since I formed the company. Today, I continue to believe in Safeguard and its solid management team,'' Musser added.

During October 2000, Safeguard extended a $10 million loan to Mr. Musser and guaranteed a $35 million loan to Musser, each in connection with his margin loan arrangements. Mr. Musser has repaid the $10 million loan. Mr. Musser's obligations to Safeguard under these arrangements are secured by interests in securities and real estate.

Safeguard's President, Harry Wallaesa, commented, ``Safeguard's goal in providing this financial support to our CEO was to maintain an orderly trading market for Safeguard's stock. We regret that Pete needed to sell his Safeguard stock, some of which he had held for more than 40 years, to satisfy his personal obligations.''

About Safeguard (www.safeguard.com)

Safeguard is a leader in identifying, developing and operating premier technology companies in the Internet infrastructure market with a focus on three sectors: software, communications, and eServices.

Safeguard provides value acceleration services to its partner companies and leverages its vast network resources to their benefit as strategic partners, customers, test beds and sales channels. The Safeguard network consists of over 50 direct holdings and an extended network of over 300 Internet-centric companies.

NOTE TO EDITORS: Safeguard is a service mark of Safeguard Scientifics, Inc. "

Morgan

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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (4298)12/5/2000 9:49:17 AM
From: Sir Francis Drake   of 4467
 
Volume so far is staggering on SFE - it is not even 10 AM EST - less than 20 minutes of trading, and already we have had 730K shares traded! Up 1/2 point or so.

Morgan

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