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To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (51139)6/20/2004 5:37:10 PM
From: energyplay   of 74257
 
The distribution of wealth in advanced societies needs a deeper analysis than Gini coefficents. One reason for some of the spread is motivation : Not everyone who has a net worth of 500k and is making 120k in a moderate cost of living environment (not New York or LA) feels the need to work 60 hours a week to make 250k and then have 2 million in a few years.

There are large nubers of people at most income levels who don't really feel pushed to make more. The few that do want to work 60 hours + per week, want a lot more and can get it because there is less competition from the satisified workers.

This is realtively new, many people who grew up in the depression feel a need to have a large economic cushion against disaster.

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To: elmatador who wrote (51137)6/20/2004 8:10:06 PM
From: TobagoJack   of 74257
 
promise?

so much to dialogue about here on BBR for so long.

Chugs, Jay

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To: energyplay who wrote (51141)6/20/2004 9:15:47 PM
From: Seeker of Truth   of 74257
 
"This is new, many people who grew up in the depression feel a need to have a large economic cushion against disaster." How right you are! That is I, certainly, madly devoted to thickening the money cushion. Believe it or not, in the 1920's there was a style of buying "on time". When the depression hit, many washing machines were reclaimed by the sellers. We people who experienced that or who saw it when we were kids, are mostly obsessed with saving. We look on the next two generations with amazement and horror because saving has again seemed less wise than getting in debt. The tremendous swing from buying on time to saving like mad back to maxing out the credit cards sets the stage for the climax christened by Jay as TEOTWAKI(The End OF The World As We Know It). There should be higher taxes on consumption, lower taxes on income, a la Europe's VAT. It won't happen soon. Consumer goods manufacturers and sellers would make less money today and who cares about tomorrow.

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To: TobagoJack who wrote (51142)6/20/2004 9:32:03 PM
From: elmatador   of 74257
 
Jay, May 02 I posted about the $1.4bn a day required to finance the deficit. I can' retrieve the posting, though. Two years after, <<Based on the quarterly figure, the U.S. needs to attract $1.6 billion a day from overseas investors to maintain the dollar's value.>> When a country can attract that money at the lowest interest rates in 40 years, imagine how long they can live off foreign money.

There is no alternative but to hand money over to the US!

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To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (51139)6/20/2004 9:39:35 PM
From: elmatador   of 74257
 
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To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (51139)6/20/2004 9:39:35 PM
From: elmatador   of 74257
 
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To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (51139)6/20/2004 9:39:35 PM
From: elmatador   of 74257
 
Hi Malcom! what we call government, is a mechanism to fight for wealth without incurring into real fight.

Capitalists using government? Look to government using the masses, by doling out capitalists wealth in exchange for their votes to gain power.

Look for government itself, using taxes to extract wealth produced by society, to gain the power to control the masses who vote for them.

Who controls who?

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To: pezz who wrote (50963)6/20/2004 10:06:27 PM
From: Pogeu Mahone   of 74257
 
are you nuts?
look at the chart
finance.yahoo.com 

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To: elmatador who wrote (51147)6/20/2004 10:23:36 PM
From: Seeker of Truth   of 74257
 
El Matador,
You seem to be implying that the masses have some power. Maybe that is true in Brazil where for millions who live close to death by starvation, government policy is something to riot about, to storm the castles about, to return bullets with bullets about. Not so in North America. The masses know little about politics and care less here. Less than half of them vote. Those that vote are busy living their individual lives and their (false) impressions are largely guided by the (capitalist of course) media. In their somnolescence they have no power. They wake up, if they do wake up, in the midst of a war about which they are carefully misled. Or in the midst of a depression the cause of which they are carefully misled etc.
Make some real today.

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To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (51149)6/20/2004 10:48:31 PM
From: elmatador   of 74257
 
The masses have to be satisfied not to revolt. In North America and Europe the masses are kept satisfied. In Brazil and other countries too, albeit at a lower level. That because it costs less to satisfy an individual in Brazil and Saudi Arabia than it costs to satisfy one in North America.

Brazil has soccer and carneval. Saudi Arabia has the Koran. You are the North American, perhaps you could tell us how the masses are kept satisfied there.

Is it not one-man one-vote? There lies the power of the masses. They have to be persuaded to vote at the least possible cost.

Don;t take my workd:

Here an article to illustrate how the mass is persuaded to vote:

Brazilian Bonds Decline After Lula Loses Wage Vote in Senate
June 18 (Bloomberg) -- Brazilian bonds fell after the Senate voted to almost double President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's 8.3 percent minimum wage proposal.

The Senate's vote for a 14.5 percent increase heightened concern that Lula is losing support in congress, which would make it tougher for him to keep spending in check and push through legislation to boost an economic recovery, said Raphael Kassin at ABN Amro Management Services Ltd.

``The government apparently doesn't have the political support it thought it had,'' said Kassin, who manages $1.3 billion of emerging-market bonds at ABN in London. ``The risks are such that we could have big surprises and bonds could suffer big losses. Because of this, we don't have any Brazilian bonds right now.''

Brazil's benchmark bond due 2040 fell for the first day in four, dropping 1.3 cents on the dollar to 91.95 cents at 5:30 p.m. in New York, according to J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. The bond's yield rose 16 basis points, or 0.16 percentage point, to 11.97 percent.

Finance Minister Antonio Palocci said he's confident the lower house will vote down the Senate's proposal and back Lula's 8.3 percent increase, to 260 reais ($83) a month. The vote in the lower house, which had approved the 8.3 percent raise in an earlier vote, is the final vote in congress.

`Humility'

The Senate ``vote was an episode that has to be seen with humility so that the government accepts it and analyzes the result,'' Palocci said after a ceremony held at the presidential palace in Brasilia. ``The government has a political majority in congress. There will be no political or economic cost.''

Analysts and investors such as Carlos Lopes at Santafe Ideias in Brasilia and Henry Stipp at Threadneedle Asset Management in London agreed that the government will be able to muster enough backing in the lower house again for its proposal.

Lula, 58, lost the vote in the Senate yesterday even after calling Senate leaders to a meeting in the president palace on Wednesday to lobby for their support on the wage bill. Lula's coalition has a majority in both houses of congress.

``There's something wrong in the way they negotiate with the ruling coalition,'' Lopes said in a telephone interview.

The Senate approved, in a 44-to-31 vote, a raise to 275 reais a month from the current 240 reais. Lula's proposal would boost the wage to 260 reais a month.

The minimum wage is used to peg salaries and social security benefits for about 20 million Brazilians. Passage of Lula's minimum wage proposal would limit the increase in the country's social security deficit to 6 billion reais ($1.9 billion), according to the Social Security Ministry, helping prevent the nation's budget gap from swelling.

An 8.3 percent increase would also push up the government's payroll costs by about 600 million reais, Planning Minister Guido Mantega said in April. An 8.3 percent increase would be less than last year's 9.3 percent inflation rate. Inflation has since slowed to 5.2 percent in the 12 months through May.

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