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To: Puck who wrote (15365)9/28/2001 12:36:27 PM
From: Ruffian
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Pucky, Wazzup? Missed you.......<vbg>

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To: Caxton Rhodes who wrote (15370)9/28/2001 1:27:49 PM
From: Mika Kukkanen
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Cax: I have been thinking about it!

1) Tend to zero for the many who were involved in developing GSM - ALL the main switching suppliers (and I mean all!). Others were shut out. The Japanese tried to do the same things and approached Europe with an alternative technology...GSM won out, even in Asia.

2) It could be argued that without Korea there would be NO cdmaOne. I agree Korean telecom industry has come on leaps and bounds because of cdma, but I would also redirect to the sentence that proceeds this.

I do take that the most valid point (for me) is that of Korean companies taking on GSM. Agree it would be difficult, but with Korea's manufacturing base they supply a lot of component parts to the GSM club, so an opportunity did indeed exist in obtaining cross-license and other deals.

All the best,
M

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To: Mika Kukkanen who wrote (15372)9/28/2001 1:38:18 PM
From: carranza2
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Chicken, egg. Who cares?

On the other hand, if the Koreans had gone into the GSM business instead, they would be paying a lot more to the patent holders than the measly amounts they're paying Q.

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To: Mika Kukkanen who wrote (15372)9/28/2001 1:42:59 PM
From: Caxton Rhodes
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Mika- Just happy my financial future doesn't depend on GPRS! ; )

GPRS looks pretty much like junk to me. Lousy rates, lousy batterry life, lousy capacity effects, problem prone, etc. etc.



Cax

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To: carranza2 who wrote (15373)9/28/2001 1:44:35 PM
From: Mika Kukkanen
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(OT)

Well the Koreans obviously care...Qcom helps the Chinese for nothing, yet the people that actually got cdma to be a reality got kicked in the crutch. And that hurts.

Agree even with deals they probably would be paying more to the GSM crowd, but then they would have a market roughly 10 times bigger.

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To: Nils Mork-Ulnes who started this subject9/28/2001 1:57:29 PM
From: Caxton Rhodes
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Hey, you guys what to see a choke, look what I bot at 5!

stockcharts.com

Forgot to sell that pig.

Caxton

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To: Mika Kukkanen who wrote (15375)9/28/2001 2:00:15 PM
From: carranza2
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I can see the Koreans' problem with Dr. J. offering them the same deal as the Chinese. The problem, which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere yet, is that royalties on the Korean internal market are for a market which is well penetrated already. The Chinese market is essentially an open pasture for CDMA manufacturers, so royalties should be substantially lower for Chinese manufacturers selling to the internal Chinese market because those sales are bound to be substantial and therefore quite profitable to Q.

The real problem is that the Koreans want to re-write history, which is not possible.

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To: carranza2 who wrote (15373)9/28/2001 2:09:46 PM
From: Eric L
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c2,

<< the Koreans had gone into the GSM business >>

The Koreans are in the GSM big time and getting bigger. I believe that on the handset side, 46% of Samsung's unit volume is now GSM. Although they may be having problems with the initial model (which is very late relative to their release promises) that GPRS model looks pretty darned good and they have more to follow.

They will of course be providing VoiceStream with the Microsoft based 'stinger' (some one of these years).

In preparation for 3GSM, LG got into the game even earlier than Samsung on the infra side.

Ouch! the Asians are Coming! the Asians are Coming!

- Eric -

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To: Nils Mork-Ulnes who started this subject9/28/2001 3:36:50 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander
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8310 in finnish news

ra.yle.fi

The design is clearly not done to be just viewed from one
direction, but for being "alive", to be turned around, etc.

Vanjoki:
- comparable (almost) to NMT-GSM transition
- 50% GPRS end of year (which, what year)

- radiolinja (operator) warns for not expecting "video in
the pocket", GPRS fast, but not that fast.

The journalist does his best to come up with someting smart
to say (repeat)..

Uses the ericsson phone to point out the size of
pocket and display, talks about WAP and internet
access, but fails the WAP-GPRS connection.

Ilmarinen

P.S. I think the Ericsson phone says "failed to connect
to server" at the very end??

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To: 49thMIMOMander who wrote (15379)9/28/2001 3:41:53 PM
From: Ruffian
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Figures, You being a NOK feather fan...........

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