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To: Nils Mork-Ulnes who started this subject9/28/2001 1:57:29 PM
From: Caxton Rhodes
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Hey, you guys what to see a choke, look what I bot at 5!

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Forgot to sell that pig.

Caxton

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To: Mika Kukkanen who wrote (15375)9/28/2001 2:00:15 PM
From: carranza2
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I can see the Koreans' problem with Dr. J. offering them the same deal as the Chinese. The problem, which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere yet, is that royalties on the Korean internal market are for a market which is well penetrated already. The Chinese market is essentially an open pasture for CDMA manufacturers, so royalties should be substantially lower for Chinese manufacturers selling to the internal Chinese market because those sales are bound to be substantial and therefore quite profitable to Q.

The real problem is that the Koreans want to re-write history, which is not possible.

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To: carranza2 who wrote (15373)9/28/2001 2:09:46 PM
From: Eric L
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c2,

<< the Koreans had gone into the GSM business >>

The Koreans are in the GSM big time and getting bigger. I believe that on the handset side, 46% of Samsung's unit volume is now GSM. Although they may be having problems with the initial model (which is very late relative to their release promises) that GPRS model looks pretty darned good and they have more to follow.

They will of course be providing VoiceStream with the Microsoft based 'stinger' (some one of these years).

In preparation for 3GSM, LG got into the game even earlier than Samsung on the infra side.

Ouch! the Asians are Coming! the Asians are Coming!

- Eric -

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To: Nils Mork-Ulnes who started this subject9/28/2001 3:36:50 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander
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8310 in finnish news

ra.yle.fi

The design is clearly not done to be just viewed from one
direction, but for being "alive", to be turned around, etc.

Vanjoki:
- comparable (almost) to NMT-GSM transition
- 50% GPRS end of year (which, what year)

- radiolinja (operator) warns for not expecting "video in
the pocket", GPRS fast, but not that fast.

The journalist does his best to come up with someting smart
to say (repeat)..

Uses the ericsson phone to point out the size of
pocket and display, talks about WAP and internet
access, but fails the WAP-GPRS connection.

Ilmarinen

P.S. I think the Ericsson phone says "failed to connect
to server" at the very end??

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To: 49thMIMOMander who wrote (15379)9/28/2001 3:41:53 PM
From: Ruffian
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Figures, You being a NOK feather fan...........

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To: Ruffian who wrote (15380)9/28/2001 8:05:19 PM
From: S100
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Big Nokia Technical breakthrough

ananova.com

It does not get any better than this.

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To: S100 who wrote (15381)9/28/2001 9:24:36 PM
From: Ibexx
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S,

Re. Nokia's New Technic Breakthrough

Upon reading your post, I held my breath for a moment - thinking that Nokia must have invented a new pastel color.

Ibexx

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To: S100 who wrote (15381)9/29/2001 8:21:23 AM
From: 49thMIMOMander
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No, it doesn't.

Most creative individuals try to make tools which both work,
are functional and additionally look and feel the way they
like them to look and feel and makes some neurons click.

A fairly complex system with individualism and diversity as
one major ingredient and driving force.

Ilmarinen

Anya Hindmarch has a pretty good, sharp sense of clicking humor,
giving her stuff that little extra encryption, food for
thought, which many lack.

For example that old, kind of 50s couple on the wooden deck,
close, but maybe not (or then it just a little bit chilly)

Some of her plain plastic bags are also great, matches my
view on life in many aspects.

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To: Nils Mork-Ulnes who started this subject9/29/2001 8:50:24 AM
From: Eric L
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re: EDGE at VoiceStream - Cingular comments

>> EDGE Moving To Middle Of Deployment Picture

Malcolm Spicer
Wireless Today
October 1, 2001

While European carriers struggle with their third-generation deployment costs, Japanese carrier NTT DoCoMo plans its 3G launch today. And while the U.S. market continues looking for spectrum for 3G networks, VoiceStream Wireless last week became the first U.S. carrier to announce plans to deploy a 3G technology-EDGE (enhanced data rate for GSM evolution)--on its GSM network.

NTT DoCoMo has not had to work through cash or spectrum as it has built its 3G network -called FOMA - but the dominant Japanese mobile operator delayed its 3G launch from May to October and scaled back the deployment from nationwide to covering only the Tokyo area. In April the company said it needed more time to work the kinks out of its network technology based on wideband-CDMA. It conducted a 3G test-run with a limited number of users from late May through late September.

The carrier, which is 65-percent owned by dominant carrier Nippon Telegraph & Telephone [NTT], last week said it would today begin selling handsets compatible with its FOMA service. In addition, DoCoMo said Japanese construction company Takenaka is conducting a trial of FOMA for business operations. The trial is planned through March next year.

In the United States, the Universal Wireless Communications Consortium (UWCC), a TDMA booster group, expects more GSM and TDMA carriers to follow VoiceStream and begin EDGE deployments. That's because EDGE provides higher data rates than general packet radio service (GPRS), but like GPRS also doesn't require using new spectrum, Chris Pearson, executive vice president of the Bellevue, Wash.-based UWCC, told Wireless Today. EDGE and GPRS are software upgrades overlaid on carries' existing systems.

"The key factor here is both can be deployed in your existing spectrum," Pearson said. However, while EDGE's peak data rate is 473 Kbps compared to the 114 Kbps peak rate available on GPRS systems, GSM carriers moved with GPRS first because that technology was available.

"You've heard a lot about GPRS because it's what's coming out now," Pearson said. "EDGE is a very natural and simple upgrade from GPRS."

GRPS to EDGE may be the expected process, but GSM and TDMA providers need to have EDGE-capable handsets and other devices to offer their customers when they deploy that network technology.

"The question really is, 'Are there EDGE terminals available?'" said Tole Hart, wireless infrastructure market analyst for Dataquest, the telecom industry research unit of Gartner [IT]. "The challenge is getting EDGE devices to your customers."

That probably won't come before 2003, Hart said. Device manufacturers have a higher priority now on making GPRS handsets as well as models for existing networks.

Telecom technology vendors Nortel Networks [NT] and Ericsson [ERICY] last week said they will deploy EDGE infrastructure in some VoiceStream markets. Bellevue, Wash.-based VoiceStream, a Deutsche Telekom [DT] subsidiary by the first quarter next year will deploy Toronto-based Nortel's radio base stations and switching equipment and software for EDGE in Cincinnati and Dayton, Ohio, and in Rochester and Buffalo, N.Y.

Toronto-based Nortel's $300 million contract with VoiceStream also includes intelligent network equipment to support billing and location-based services.

In addition to supplying EDGE technology for some of VoiceStream's markets, Sweden-based Ericsson will install EDGE equipment including core network and radio access infrastructure in New Orleans and Virginia. Ericsson also will expand VoiceStream's GSM network in Florida under the companies' $150 million contract. <<

- Eric -

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To: Eric L who wrote (15384)9/29/2001 9:06:23 AM
From: Eric L
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re: EDGE - Nortel & Ericsson - VoiceStream

'This decision is significant because several GSM operators outside the U.S. could follow suit. This means that a market could develop for several different EDGE phones,' an Ericsson statement said.

>> Nortel Wins $300 Million VoiceStream Contract

Kristy Bassuener
September 26, 2001
Wireless Week

VoiceStream Wireless chose Nortel Networks to provide upgrades to its digital GSM network in a contract worth roughly $300 million.

Under the deal, Nortel will supply supply radio base station equipment, switching and professional services to evolve VoiceStream's infrastructure. Nortel upgrades will enable EDGE (Enhanced Data rate for GSM Evolution) voice and high-speed data services. The contract also covers intelligent network equipment to support billing and location-based services.

VoiceStream will deploy Nortel Networks GSM equipment and software in Cincinnati/Dayton, Ohio and Rochester/Buffalo, N.Y. The networks will be completely deployed by the first quarter of 2002. VoiceStream and Nortel began working together to deploy VoiceStream's initial GSM network back in 1995. <<

>> Ericsson EDGEs Way Into $150 Million VoiceStream Deal

Kristy Bassuener
September 28, 2001
Wireless Week

One day after Nortel announced a $300 million network deal with VoiceStream, Swedish manufacturer Ericsson is trumpeting a $150 million contract to build out VoiceStream's next-generation GSM infrastructure.

Under the deal, Ericsson will install GSM 1900 MHz network gear in Louisiana and Virginia, as well as expansion equipment in Florida. VoiceStream has committed to moving to the EDGE next-generation platform, Ericsson said.

'This decision is significant because several GSM operators outside the U.S. could follow suit. This means that a market could develop for several different EDGE phones,' an Ericsson statement said. EDGE, or enhanced data rate for GSM evolution, is the first step in converting a GSM network to third-generation data speeds. <<

- Eric -

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