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To: DizzyG who started this subject10/13/2000 12:39:26 PM
From: rjm2   of 1426
 
Gene, Is there any possible defense for a market maker NOT representing & filling a $1 17/32 limit order that has been in since yesterday ? This is the kind of thing the gripes me really bad. My order (actually my brother in laws) order was sitting there waiting to be filled at $1.53, and it trades TWICE below his limit without his limit ever being represented. Do you find this to be within the spirit of the rule ?

How NITE can sit there and claim best executions is beyond me when they wont even passively represent limit orders at the open.



ACORN HLDG CORP COM NEW (NASDAQ SMALL CAP:AVCC)
Time of last trade: 10/13/00 10:35:36 am ET
Data delayed up to 20 minutes.

Time Price Volume Exchange Info
10:35:36 1.687 200 NASDAQ Small Caps at Bid
09:45:05 1.687 500 NASDAQ Small Caps at Ask
09:31:28 1.500 1500 NASDAQ Small Caps
09:30:37 1.500 500 NASDAQ Small Caps at Bid
09:30:29 1.531 1000 NASDAQ Small Caps
09:30:15 1.531 500 NASDAQ Small Caps
09:25:15 1.531 400 NASDAQ Small Caps
N/A N/A N/A NASDAQ SMALL CAP
N/A N/A N/A NASDAQ SMALL CAP
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To: rjm2 who wrote (1181)10/13/2000 12:55:44 PM
From: Jon Tara   of 1426
 
rjm2, it's not clear to me what your brother's gripe is.

1 17/32 was the low bid on AVCC yesterday. So, your brother was attempting to buy at the low bid.

He certainly isn't guaranteed a fill at the bid. He shouldn't even have much of an expectation of one. Yes, it happens, often enough, but there's no reason to have an expectation of a fill.

Your brother's only gripe would be if NITE (assuming, from your post, that his broker sent it to NITE) did not show a 1 17/32 bid to NASDAQ.

The fact that trades were posted below that price (but I don't see them on my Time & Sales, though - I see 4 trades at 1 17/32 during the day, but none at lower prices) is irrelevant, unless it was NITE that did those transactions. Another MM may have made those fills, and they certainly weren't obligated to hit NITE's bid instead - perhaps they filled out of inventory, felt the stock was going down, or just liked the customer. Or hit the wrong key.

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To: Jon Tara who wrote (1182)10/13/2000 1:03:34 PM
From: rjm2   of 1426
 
What does yesterdays low bid have to do with the fact that they didnt represent the order this AM and that the stock was traded BELOW that price as a result ?
My gripe is that NITE did not REPRESENT the order and if they had, the order would have likely filled or at least not traded below that bid.

And its up a half point.

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To: rjm2 who wrote (1183)10/13/2000 1:28:51 PM
From: Jon Tara   of 1426
 
If NITE did not represent the order, then your brother has a gripe.

The bid was, indeed, 1 1/2 for a brief period this morning, and there were trades at that price.

However, that 1 1/2 bid was before the market open. The opening bid is unclear. I do see a 1 1/2 bid showing at 9:30, but then immediately the bid was increased to 1 17/32. That could have been NITE's bid.

There was a trade at 1 1/2 at 9:31, but at that time the bid was already 1 17/32.

Not having been watching L2 at the time, I have no idea whether NITE actually represented your brother's order or not. (Question for Gene - is there any source of historical L2 quotes?)

Anyway, I would have your brother call his broker and have them look into it.

Frankly, it looks "iffy" to me - I don't see a really clear case.

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To: Jon Tara who wrote (1184)10/13/2000 1:38:04 PM
From: rjm2   of 1426
 
I manage the account and I called. They of course claimed the old "the offer wasnt at your price therefore you shouldnt have been filled" bullshit. Gee, do these guys REALLY pass the registered rep tests ? LOL
Of course, NITE will sometimes pacify a customer if the stock didnt move a half point.
Remember, I am not the one claiming to be BEST EXECUTION !

During normal trading a limit order is reflected nearly instantaneously. Except during the open where they stand back and like in the old days see if they can make some no risk $$.

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To: rjm2 who wrote (1185)10/13/2000 10:59:17 PM
From: SteveDavis   of 1426
 
RE: Pump and dump. Are we seeing a very sophisticated situation going on now with the likes of Priceline and Amazon? Also, anyone remember Boston Chicken? Me thinks the Prince who invested in Priceline might feel a little sore in the anal region at the present time. At the end of the day, one has to question Priceline and Amazon's business plan. They are trying to make a living as the middleman in an arena that is eliminating the middleman???
JMHO
Steve Davis

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To: DizzyG who started this subject10/17/2000 10:54:12 PM
From: rpearl   of 1426
 
could someone here explain to me how convertible debentures are ushered into the market? i'm wondering, are the shares issued by the company, or do they show up on the tape as a trade.

i am thinking it is the former, since the price is generally determined by an average. and because the shares are usually converted at a percentage price of the average, the one i'm looking at is MFLE, $1M worth at 62% of a 5 day average, it doesn't seem possible to do them any other way then by issuing them out of the authorized.

i sure would love to know.

btw, first post here. looks like it has to link to another. perhaps i'm doing it wrong.

rich pearl

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To: rpearl who wrote (1187)10/17/2000 11:20:23 PM
From: Evil Speculator (tm)   of 1426
 
Rich,

They're issued from the company's authorized shares.

LPS5

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To: Evil Speculator (tm) who wrote (1188)10/18/2000 10:52:12 AM
From: rpearl   of 1426
 
LPS5.... on the MFLE board a fairly knowledgeable poster has claimed that to keep them from being restricted, the shares from CD's are issued through the MM's, and show up in the volume.

this seems wrong to me, and so i, myself, believe (but don't know) that the shares are either newly issued from the authorized, or come out of an existing inventory.

is there any place i can find a definitive answer?

thanks

rich

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To: rpearl who wrote (1189)10/18/2000 11:09:37 AM
From: Evil Speculator (tm)   of 1426
 
Hi Rich,

I don't comment on individual stocks, but I will say that the tendering of shares from a convertible issue do not hit the tape unless an ensuing transaction is undertaken.

Contrary to what this individual maintains, the shares resulting from the conversion of such a bond/debenture would be issued by the firms' transfer agent (working with the designated registrar) and would hit the individual's or institution's account shortly thereafter.

Any volume hitting the tape is either (a) wholly unrelated to the conversion of such instruments or (b) is a transaction undertaken after the converting entity, whether individual or institutional, receives the converted equity.

LPS5

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