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To: no name chump who wrote (28821)11/28/2011 8:45:47 PM
From: ponokee   of 28898
 
Christie Blatchford: ‘This is Canada. Do not be afraid,’ relative told alleged honour killing victim Christie Blatchford Nov 28, 2011 – 7:53 PM ET


“Don’t be afraid. This is not Afghanistan,” a relative testified she told Rona Amir Mohammad, who was scared for her safety.

KINGSTON, Ont. — It was Hamed and Mohammad Shafia who in unison repeatedly dabbed at their eyes in the prisoner’s box here Monday, but there were likely many in the courtroom who during the course of the day would have happily joined them.

From time to time, the trial of this Afghan-Canadian family, for a variety of reasons, could reduce anyone to tears — sometimes of sorrow, sometimes of near-hysteria. The evidence occasionally careens from one extreme to the other within minutes.

The Mssrs. Shafia appeared to weep when slides taken at the autopsies of their alleged victims were shown to Ontario Superior Court Judge Robert Maranger and the jurors presiding at the murder trial, which has become a hot ticket in this eastern Ontario city.

Father and son Shafia, now 58 and 20, are jointly charged with Tooba Mohammad Yahya, respectively their wife and mother, with four counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of their intimates.

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    Ms. Yahya, as befits one who has shrouded herself in the cloak of a delicate flower, was absent from court at her own request during the showing of the slides from the autopsy room and indeed for the testimony of forensic pathologist Dr. Christopher Milroy.

    The 41-year-old mother has absented herself before during the trial.



    Mohammad Shafia, Tooba Mohammad Yahya and their son Hamed

    She, her husband and son are pleading not guilty in the drowning deaths of three Shafia sisters — Zainab, Sahar and Geeti, who were 19, 17 and 13 — and the other Shafia wife, 52-year-old Rona Amir Mohammad, who was routinely presented in Canada as an aunt.

    Their bodies were found on June 30, 2009, in a submerged black Nissan discovered at the bottom of the Kingston Mills locks.

    Three pictures from the autopsy of each victim were shown to the jurors — the first in sealed white body bags; the second, fully clothed on the autopsy table; and the third a close-up of the curious fresh bruises all but Sahar had on the crowns of their heads.

    The latter shots were of necessity graphic but hardly ghastly, certainly not as evocative as the picture of the lovely Geeti in her sweet knee-length jeans, or of the small girl-items (hair bands and clips, earrings, belly-button jewellery, rings) Dr. Milroy noted, removed and handed to Kingston Police.

    For the record, Dr. Milroy, who has multiple degrees (forensic pathology, law and philosophy) is so preposterously well-educated he could testify, prosecute and then ponder deeply on the case all by his lonesome.

    He found that the four women drowned to death; that elaborate toxicology tests showed no evidence they were drugged; that the bruising to three of the victims, significant in Ms. Amir’s case, could have led to unconsciousness but there’s no way to know if it did; allowed it is “unlikely” the three would have similar injuries to their heads and no other injuries, and said there is no way to tell where, in what sequence or by what mechanism they drowned.

    Then Dr. Milroy uttered the four words that given Ontario’s checkered history in such matters could be considered shocking.

    He was being asked if there was anything in his findings that could tell him whether or not the three girls and Ms. Amir were drowned elsewhere and put back in the Nissan in which their bodies were found.

    “From a pathological perspective,” he said, “I can’t include or exclude the possibility.”

    Then, the words that would shake the disgraced Ontario pathologist Dr. Charles Smith to the core — Dr. Smith saw himself as part of the prosecution team and often testified as such, with wrongful convictions sometimes the result — Dr. Milroy added, “The pathology is neutral.”

    Following him to the witness box was a relative of Ms. Amir’s who can’t yet be identified.


  • Rona and Sahar

    Little has been heard about Ms. Amir at trial — except that she couldn’t have children, which is what led Mr. Shafia to marry Ms. Yahya — so the relative’s testimony was keenly anticipated.

    The witness, however, speaks no English, only Dari/Farsi (the languages are virtually the same, as American English is to British) and French, and to say she is garrulous and speaks at a great rate is akin to saying le train grand vitesse goes fast.

    Even the spelling of her name, not usually a difficult task for these skilled translators, was virtually unattainable. She apparently has eight siblings, but in the giving of their names the list added up to about 16.

    She did, however, dispel one of Mr. Shafia’s least appetizing claims: He has always maintained he and Ms. Amir were never married.

    Well, this lady attended both his weddings, both conveniently held, about a decade apart, at Kabul’s Intercontinental Hotel.

    She also said — o charming Afghan custom! — that it was Ms. Amir who asked the family of Ms. Yahya for her hand because Mr. Shafia so desperately needed children.

    She also said in the last months of her life, Ms. Amir was unhappy, often calling to complain about her life, and that she told her she’d overhead a conversation among the parents and Hamed, during which Mr. Shafia threatened to kill Zainab, who in April of 2009 had run away to a women’s shelter, and “the other one,” which Ms. Amir took to mean her.

    But because the Dari/Farsi languages have no separate male and female pronouns — essentially, everyone is referred to as male, it apparently being the only worthy sex — she can’t be sure if it was Ms. Yahya who asked about “the other one” or Hamed.

    This matter was settled only after the witness had nattered on over the protestations of the lawyers and judge, as she did many times.

    Dari/Farsi are sufficiently imprecise languages, the witness’s speaking speed so breakneck, and the interpreter so overwhelmed that several times, references to her maternal uncle were translated as “my maternal ankle.”

    In any case, the relative told Ms. Amir, “Don’t be afraid. This is not Afghanistan. This is not Dubai. This is Canada. Do not be afraid; nothing will happen.”

    As with so much else at this trial, one hardly knew whether to laugh or to cry.

    Postmedia News
    cblatchford@postmedia.com





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    To: no name chump who wrote (28821)12/5/2011 10:08:14 PM
    From: koan   of 28898
     
    Clearly we would be better off without religion. Myth and script cannot really coexist with fact and reason. Lest we forget, until the age of enlightenment, to think openly was punishable by torture and death, pretty much around the world and in all cultures.

    But spirituality e.g. kindness, compassion, empathy and consideration are a different subject all together!

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    To: koan who wrote (28823)12/7/2011 10:55:38 AM
    From: Solon   of 28898
     
    "Clearly we would be better off without religion."

    Clear to you and I in any event. Supernaturalism attached to Absolute dogma is clearly a recipe for human conflict and hurt. Because no imagined truths can ever be rationally processed to human agreement. And of course those imagining an Actual Place for special people need to show why they are so special and what actions make them so special. And they really ought to have a place to meet where they can build a power team and and and...

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    To: Solon who wrote (28824)12/7/2011 11:56:39 AM
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    Yep. Dogma is a dangerous thing.

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    To: koan who wrote (28825)12/7/2011 3:14:11 PM
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    Obama makes horrible gaffe

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    To: Solon who wrote (28826)12/7/2011 3:30:57 PM
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    That was good!!! lol

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    To: ponokee who wrote (28822)12/12/2011 7:06:35 PM
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    youtube.com 

    "Noah! Don't question me. I could fu-cking kill you!!"

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    From: Solon12/12/2011 7:53:18 PM
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    Whoever did these animations is incredibly talented--not only the technical skill but the intellect to create such superb satire! I`m watching all of them TWICE! Just BRILLIANT!

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    From: Cautious_Optimist1/4/2012 12:05:59 AM
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    Scientology Embroiled In Internal Dispute Over The Amassing of Wealth Under Miscavige

    (The comments that follow are fabulous.)

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    Published 1, January 3, 2012 Bizarre , Religion , Society 26 Comments

    The ultra-secret world of the Church of Scientology has been rocked by a rare internal dissent — gone public by an even more rare decision to leak internal communications to the media. The dispute focuses on an email by long-standing Scientologist Debbie Cook calling on 12,000 fellow members to withhold contributions to the church as violative of the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard.


    Cook is a member of the secret internal organization called Sea Org. Her email reveals that the Church as amassed an alleged $1 billion in foreign accounts and objects that the relentless drive to force contributions from members contradicts the teachings of Hubbard. She also alleges that David Miscavige, who has led the Church of Scientology for 26 years, has dismantled the structure left by Hubbard for the organization in amassing power. Miscavige is often mentioned by dissidents as an autocrat who showers celebrities like Tom Cruise with gifts and adoring servants on visits.

    The alleged amassing of wealth stand in sharp contrast to claims of former members that they lived in virtual slave conditions.

    Cook alleges that “[c]urrently, membership monies are held as Int reserves and have grown to well in excess of a billion dollars. Only a tiny fraction has ever been spent, in violation of the policy above. Only the interest earned from the holdings have been used very sparingly to fund projects through grants.” In response, the Church sent out a statement “Ms Cook’s opinions reflect a small, ignorant and unenlightened view of the world today. They are not shared by the thousands of Scientologists who are overjoyed by our 27 new churches and what they mean to the communities they serve.”

    What is most striking about this dispute is that Cook remains part of the Church as opposed to the former members who have sued the Church or denounced it as a cult. It is also notable in the details since the Church continues to have problems in Europe with countries that view it as a commercial or even a criminal enterprise designed to extract fees from members who pay to go to higher and higher levels of consciousness or awareness as Scientologists.

    Source: Guardian


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    Dean Fox 1, January 3, 2012 at 10:34 am
    Ms Cook under estimates the church of scientology’s cash reserves, it’s closer to $8 billion (US). Other than that her email is an accurate if not necessarily restrained description of situation inside the church of scientology.

    Despite this many will not see beyond it being an attack on their dear leader, David Miscavige, under whom all this money has been amassed.

    In accordance with policy the church of scientology first question the emails autheticity when that was verified they issued a bagdad bob sytle statement: “Ms Cook’s opinions reflect a small, ignorant and unenlightened view of the world today.”

    In the next phase we will hear that Debbie Cook was in fact removed from her post in 2007 for incompetence and this is her just bitching rather than accepting the fact she failed the church of scientology miserably. This is know as the apostate smear attack.





    Mike Spindell 1, January 3, 2012 at 10:36 am
    “It is also notable in the details since the Church continues to have problems in Europe with countries that view it as a commercial or even a criminal enterprise designed to extract fees from members who pay to go to higher and higher levels of consciousness or awareness as Scientologists.”

    Scams promising higher knowledge have been around as long as human society. They appeal to a variety of people who have been unable to resolve their own life issues. It always comes down to paying money for “teachings” that take you to a “higher” level. Many times though the “Prophet” is someone trying to be noble in her/his teachings and it is a disciple(s) who strays from the path. In Hubbard’s case it was a scam from the beginning. To paraphrase an old cliche “The best teachings in life are free” and that comes from a retired psychotherapist.





    Frankly 1, January 3, 2012 at 10:57 am
    People who were at the party with Lron claim he joked about starting a religion & outlined Scientology. They also claim he was highjacked and never intended for it to be taken seriously. I trust the people who reported the former and don’t care enough to investigate the validity of the latter.

    Mike – That second Paragraph does not sound unlike most of the worlds great religions. You give them something of value today against the promise of something valuable after it is too late to verify.





    amityfessenden 1, January 3, 2012 at 11:00 am
    For a good in depth critique of Scientology read “Inside Scientology” by Lawrrence Wright in the February 14, 2011 edition of the New Yorker. It’s available on their web archive only in an audio version for some strange reason. Here’s the link:

    http://www.newyorker.com/search?qt=dismax&sort=score+desc&query=scientology&submit=#ixzz1iPVagSnd

    I never paid too much attention to these people until I read the above article.

    I know that the “Church” was charged by an district atty in FL with killing a woman who wanted to leave the cult by mismanaging her medical treatment. They apparently refused to take her to an emergency room when she got sick and wanted to leave the “Church.” Don’t know how the case turned out. One of the definitions of a cult is that the organization prevents people from leaving. My Irish Catholic father left the Catholic church as soon as he got out of my grandmother’s clutches and I don’t remember hearing of any priests coming after him.

    Of course, the most disgusting thing about them is their tax exemption. I read somewhere that the IRS fought for years against Scientology’s claim to be a religion but finally just gave up and granted the exemption because the fight was just too costly in legal resources.

    Some of Christianity’s tenets are pretty bizarre (virgin birth, rising from the dead, etc.) but I guess I am betraying my prejudice as someone raised Christian when I read Hubbard’s delusions and think “what a whack job.” For the record, I also have the same reaction to the “tenets” of Mormonism, but I have studied the fraudulent water dowser Joseph Smith and his translation of the “golden tablets” (written according to him in Reformed Egyptian) in great detail and feel justified in my reaction to this non-Christian religion.





    dallysdad 1, January 3, 2012 at 12:18 pm
    Amity-Can you give me credible reason that Christianity can not be labeled “fraud” in the same way you label Joseph Smith a fraud? It is fine and dandy to embrace any crazy notion you want. But why segregate your crazy belief from a Mormons or Scientologists crazy beliefs? You can’t prove or disprove any of them-so they should all be judged fraudulent, no?





    Mike Spindell 1, January 3, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    Frankly,

    I’ve written before that I heard LRon in a few all-night radio discussions in YC in the 50's. The panel consisted of other contemporary Scifi writers like Fred Pohl and Lester DelRey. They tore him apart because as colleagues they knew him too well.

    Also with respect to your comment and those of Amity and Dallysdad I don’t disagree. However, in the case of other religions the problems aren’t in the prophet’s teachings, but in the establishment that later forms around the teachings. Confucius anti-war teachings were turned into warlike justifications. Buddha was adopted into the Hindu pantheon. Abraham’s and Moses messages were perverted by creating a Temple-centered belief. Jesus became interpreted by Paul, who never met him. Mohammed’s death cause a tremendous schism in Islam over power and so it goes. Where LRon is different is that he created the scam in the first place. However, the main problem with all religions is not necessarily the teachings which devolve into “The Golden Rule” but the power-hungry establishments created in their wake.





    Mike Spindell 1, January 3, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    That “NYC” my “N” key keeps sticking.





    Gyges 1, January 3, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    “Cook is a member of the secret internal organization called Sea Org. Her email reveals that the Church as amassed an alleged $1 billion in foreign accounts and objects that the relentless drive to force contributions from members contradicts the teachings of Hubbard. ”

    Well, I personally am shocked that a religion could have leaders who amass wealth, even though it runs contrary to the teachings of the religion’s founder.





    Jill 1, January 3, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    There is something about people who have gained power that inspires the suspension of conscience among their followers. This is true in any religion. It is also true in the political realm.

    People have sat by and watched Miscavige beat other people right in front of them. Similarly, people have watched Obama kill a 16 year old boy for no other reason than because he could. So I think it is a valid question to ask-what happens to people’s conscience in the presence of a person whom they have given power to?

    Part of the answer lies in the warm feelings of belonging that powerful people create in their followers. Part of it is a sense of pride that one belongs to such a powerful group that one’s leader can beat up others or kill a child with impunity. When these types of feelings fail to work, there is always repression of dissent.

    We see that dissenters are attacked, reviled and usually kicked out of the fold for simply stating the truth. A powerful person relies on both psychological and physical techniques of repression to maintain their power.

    There are ways to break through into seeing that various emperors have no clothes, that indeed they are sociopaths but this is difficult. Still it is incumbent on followers to regain an ability to acknowledge reality and not countenance the harm of others. This is true in religion and it is true in politics.





    Otteray Scribe 1, January 3, 2012 at 2:27 pm
    I recall reading somewhere that Hubbard bet Robert Heinlein he could start a religion and make it a financial success. Heinlein was pretty smart and had a good understanding of human nature, so I doubt he took LRH up on the bet.





    Anonymously Yours 1, January 3, 2012 at 3:46 pm
    I want my share….





    Dean Fox 1, January 3, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    If one wants to draw parallels with christianity we could apply the prophecies of revelations in the bible.

    According to the bible there will be a false prophet that will bring great times followed by a mass exodus of the true believers before the times of tribulations.

    If we say L Ron Hubbard was the true prophet of scientology then David Miscavige is the false prophet or lanti-hubbard”. According to the church of scientology David Miscavige has brought out the greatest expansion of the church of scientology ever. In the past couple of years there has been a mass exodus from the church of scientology and there can be little doubt its suffering from tribulations. All we need now is a baby that looks a bit like Hubbard to complete the cycle.

    There we have it, Revelations was really a prediction about the church of scientology.





    Liberty1st 1, January 3, 2012 at 4:26 pm
    I have never seen a summation of the theology of Scientology. Is it the opposite of Mythology?
    If bothers me not the least that fools have been parted with their money by this religion. That is the nature of religion. Utter a theology, find a fool with money, and get him to part with it in exchange for a ticket to the hereafter. When in one denomination the Priests have a propensity to bugger children it has driven out some of the flock but they flock to another sheep herder who is kinder to the little lambs. Some sheepherder out there on the web will be reading this and thinking about preaching to the strays from the Scientology herd. Who gets them is anyones guess but I doubt that they will flock over to Catholicism at this point. Possibly Magnetism.





    Otteray Scribe 1, January 3, 2012 at 4:32 pm
    “I have never seen a summation of the theology of Scientology. ”

    *********************
    As I understand it, you have to purchase that information and they dole it out a little bit at a time after payment of fees. It is all copyrighted. That is one way they make their money.

    For a long time the VA could not post the image of the Scientology symbol of faith on their cemetery web page because that was copyrighted as well. I always thought it really strange that the symbol of faith for engraving in a dead soldier’s tombstone could not be put on the cemetery list of symbols.





    Blouise 1, January 3, 2012 at 4:59 pm
    Religion has always been a well funded protection racket complete with big bosses and little thugs. It’ll always be a perilous existence for the membership.





    Benjamin 1, January 3, 2012 at 5:01 pm
    Who cares about the other religions and belief. I care about a psychotic leader of 30,000 or so people who beats his staff! The public and celebrity members will go on about how great L Ron’s tech is, but the staff members and Sea Org members aren’t so lucky. This cult has a prison system for them and it is called the RPF. Did you all know that this ‘religion’ gives a field service commission to those who entice people to come in and buy books, DVDs, auditing sessions and jewelry? Check it out folks before you start defending the ‘beliefs’ of $cientology.





    anon nurse 1, January 3, 2012 at 5:29 pm
    http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/

    Inside Scientology: The Money Machine (interesting videos on fundraising)





    Dredd 1, January 3, 2012 at 5:45 pm
    Science fiction author starts religion. Wiggy.





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      To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (28830)4/9/2012 11:39:07 AM
      From: Solon   of 28898
       
      Yes, a Science Fiction writer started a large and viable religion which can now serve as a lucrative source of income for other "Priests" of salvation.

      I guess we should be thankful he did not include human sacrifice as atonement to clear our defects! Luckily, Easter was already taken by another cult of human sacrifice...

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