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To: rzborusa who wrote (270059)5/23/2012 11:17:01 AM
From: Mahmoud Mohammed of 272562
 
Mr Borusa,

Re: "... Market getting fugly. Either that or get a drum of spray n wash, MM."

You got this one right.

Mahmoud

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (270060)5/23/2012 1:04:48 PM
From: rzborusa of 272562
 
> What would you do if you were in my shoes?


Think I'd buy em back and sell fives, by the look of the market today.


Jumpin Jesus, looks like they are throwing the Intelatubbies out with the bath water today.

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To: rzborusa who wrote (270062)5/23/2012 3:14:16 PM
From: Elmer Phud of 272562
 
Think I'd buy em back and sell fives, by the look of the market today.

Why would you do that? You'd be locking in a loss.

I hate to lose money.

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (270063)5/23/2012 4:07:55 PM
From: rzborusa of 272562
 
I'm just saying 5$puts are safely OOTM for now. I don't sell puts. I am selling Calls against my long positions at times.

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To: rzborusa who wrote (270064)5/23/2012 4:14:48 PM
From: Elmer Phud of 272562
 
I'm just saying 5$puts are safely OOTM for now

Yes they are but I'd have to buy back the $6 Puts at a loss. The $5s won't fetch as much as the $6s cost to buy back, unless I go out to October.

AMD rebounded today anyway.

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (270065)5/23/2012 11:03:20 PM
From: rzborusa of 272562
 
Yes they are but I'd have to buy back the $6 Puts at a loss.
Oh yeah, but the thing is being short puts when in the money is tantamount to owning the underlying if the underlying goes down further.

You probably know that with out me spouting off. I read different rooms around here and there. Just in the last 24 hours I've read Europe will loose half its population. Why you ask? Half will be dead .... OTOH, there are people like me who will believe anything said by an AMD spokesperson. I assume you are somewhere in between those extremes. I know you will do well over all with an occasional misstep.

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To: rzborusa who wrote (270066)5/23/2012 11:14:38 PM
From: Elmer Phud of 272562
 
Oh yeah, but the thing is being short puts when in the money is tantamount to owning the underlying if the underlying goes down further.

No it's not. I've laid out no money, and my obligation is partially time value which slowly evaporates each day. I can roll the option to a later date and a lower strike price because the value of the option is partially time. Add more time and a later $5 Put becomes more valuable than my June $6 Put.

It's the margin stupid*



* Not you of course. It's just a saying.

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (270067)5/24/2012 12:37:50 PM
From: rzborusa of 272562
 
Add more time and a later $5 Put becomes more valuable than my June $6 Put.
Options dates only go out a couple of years. But that in its self is quite a long time to be on the hook. I think you are looking at todays prices for tomorrow's trade. If you are trying to sell 5$ Ps when the Shares are at 4 don't expect much in the way of time premium. Just pull up the option chain for leaps and see what the premium for well into the money options is, not much because there is the "in the money" intrinsic value that is at risk if the SP heads north. Just take a look at 7 or 8$ leap puts. They barely even trade at all.

I'm just pointing out an exception to your reasonable scenario, like if the shares gap down.

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To: rzborusa who wrote (270068)5/24/2012 1:22:32 PM
From: Elmer Phud of 272562
 
I'm just pointing out an exception to your reasonable scenario, like if the shares gap down.

And you're right. No trade is a guaranteed winner. If they were I'd have done the trade for 10X more, or as far as my margin would let me. It's a gamble. I'm gambling that AMD will not stay below $6. The ability to roll the option just gives me more time for AMD to come back. Time decay works for me. I can make another $0.20 by rolling to July. That's an annualized return of 37.45% according to my options price model. I'm betting that AMD will eventually come back to above $6 and that I can stay ahead of assignment while getting paid to do it.

Do you really think that's such a bad bet? I don't.

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (270069)5/24/2012 1:32:11 PM
From: rzborusa of 272562
 
Do you really think that's such a bad bet? I don't.
Like I said a few post back, ~ You will do fine with a few bumps in the road along the way.

I have stayed away from margin. I do similar to you only with covered calls. Poor mans dividends.

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