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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (269605)4/18/2012 1:07:06 PM
From: rzborusa of 272403
 
Yes, a win win!

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To: fastpathguru who wrote (269595)4/18/2012 2:02:23 PM
From: Elmer Phud of 272403
 
FPG- do you see any difficulty in reconciling these statements with your "Parts is Parts" view? I mean, if AMD can show a phoney roadmap and a cheaper price, shouldn't the OEMs just go with them?

Paul S. Otellini

Well, the roadmap is certainly the best door opener we have in talking to these customers, but it's not the only asset we have here. Then there's 2 classes of handset customers. There's obviously the traditional OEM manufacturers, and we've announced a number of those; but there's also carriers that are interested in doing a private label, and we've announced one of those with Orange in Europe. And the relationships that we have with carriers globally are pretty strong, and they go back a number of years. And those are -- those have to do with a lot of the work that Intel has done in their data centers and in the reconfiguration of the cellular network infrastructure. As both classes of customers look at the handset roadmap, what they want to do is find ways to provide differentiation from what's out there and service platforms for themselves. That's where the other element of our strategy, the non-silicon element of our strategy, becomes much more critical. And so what's our security roadmap as it relates to that? What's our location-based services capability? What kinds of sensors can we build into the handset? All of those are really hardware-centric features that employ software that allow someone to create a service annuity stream. That discussion is much more sophisticated and complex than just showing a roadmap. And that's the level that we're at today with most customers.

Paul S. Otellini

Well, the business model that we have today is one that I'm extremely comfortable with and we're working as hard as possible to maintain, which is -- and I described this last year in the analyst meeting. As compared to other non-integrated device manufacturers, we get paid twice for our products. We get paid the equivalent of a foundry margin, and we get paid the equivalent of an architectural margin and that allows us to generate fairly nice margins. So as long as we can fill up all of the factories we can build with Intel products at those kinds of rewards in terms of the ROI, that makes the most sense for us. Are there opportunities out in time to take advantage of the lead that we're building in areas like foundry? Yes, perhaps, and I've said that before. And you've seen some small announcements to that effect, where we've signed up some companies for some foundry activity over the next several years. I would look at those, and I would ask you to look at those as being learning experiences for us. A lot of the work we're doing here is to build the libraries, the tools that allow us as a company and our designers of the company to be able to use quick time to market, quick derivative capabilities, modularity for our SoC businesses going forward. And the best way to test those is to have some third-party customers to really validate how good they are, how -- or where they need some work. So it's a learning expense for us. It is for profit, it is not done strictly for -- just to get to know how to do this. And in terms of where it goes long term, I'll leave that point open.

Stacy J. Smith

And if I can maybe just add, one of the tactical benefits we see being an integrated design and manufacturing house is the speed at which we can ramp these factories. We'll have 25% of our shipment volume in Q2 coming from Ivy Bridge on 22 nanometer. And it's just an incredibly fast ramp rate. And even compared to what we did on 32 nanometer, that's a lot faster than what we're able to do. So we can just transition the market to these great new products. And I think you've seen some of the non-integrated models where they really struggle with ramp rates and yields and things like that. So it's a benefit in the long term to the product lineup, and it's a benefit tactically to our ability to transition the product line.

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (269607)4/18/2012 2:59:34 PM
From: Mahmoud Mohammed of 272403
 
Elmer,

Re: "FPG- do you see any difficulty in reconciling these statements with your "Parts is Parts" view? I mean, if AMD can show a phoney roadmap and a cheaper price, shouldn't the OEMs just go with them?"

I have posed the question to Mr Guru many times: Why can INTC command (and get) higher ASPs for their products compared to AMD.

He has never answered this adequately. The answer is that customers understand that the "Parts is Parts" simplistic philosophy is false.

Mahmoud

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (269607)4/18/2012 3:56:54 PM
From: fastpathguru of 272403
 
FPG- do you see any difficulty in reconciling these statements with your "Parts is Parts" view?

'My "Parts is Parts" view' == your fantasy.

OTOH, reality: (form the SEC/DELL suit)

61. Dell updated its guidance for QIFY07 after the market closed on May 8,2006. From May 8, 2006 to May 12,2006, Dell's stock price fell by over 9%, from $26.43 to $24.02. On May 12,2006; Schneider wrote to Michael Dell, Rollins, and the SVP that Dell was "getting slammed with missing our numbers and not announcing anything with AMD ... and our current plan of record for Q2 is to beg [Intel] for more money to make our targets." On May18, 2006, Dell announced that it would add AMD to its product lines by the end of the year. In response, Intel cut its MCP payments to Dell by over a quarter of a billion dollars. This dramatic cut in the MCP payments did not reflect any contemporaneous meaningful purchase of AMD processors or substitution of AMD processors for those of Intel. Rather, Intel's reduction in MCP payments reflected Intel's response to Dell's announcement of an intention to use AMD products in the future.

62. From QIFY07 to Q2FY07, Intel's MCP payments fell by $263 million. Prior to this point, there had been only one quarter in the history of the MCP program during which the rebates had not increased -- the quarter after AMD filed its private antitrust lawsuit. In QIFY07, Dell's reported operating income was $949 million. In Q2FY07, Dell's operating income was $605 million. In dollar terms, the reduction in Intel exclusivity payments was equivalent to 75% of the decline in Dell's operating income.

63. Dell failed to disclose the impact ofthe decline in MCPon Dell's operating income. Instead, during the Q2FY07 earnings call about its operating results, Schneider told analysts and investors that the decline in operating income that quarter was attributable to Dell pricing too aggressively in the face of slowing demand and to component costs declining "less than we anticipated." These statements were contained in a script that was circulated in advance ofthe earnings call to Michael Dell, Rollins, and other Dell personnel.

64. The second question asked on the Q2FY07 earnings call was whether "a precipitous or sharp decrease in Intel co-marketing dollars" impacted Dell's gross margin that quarter. Rollins replied, "[w]e would probably not communicate anything on that. It is proprietary. We do believe that component prices did not come down as we had anticipated, but we wouldn't comment on any of our agreements with suppliers."

fpg

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To: fastpathguru who wrote (269609)4/18/2012 4:33:57 PM
From: Elmer Phud of 272403
 
As you provided no link, I can only assume you are up to your old tricks and presenting allegations as if they were fact. In your mind yes, in the real world no.

I'm confident other explanations are more accurate.

Tell me, why shouldn't Dell simply go with the cheapest supplier, regardless of product reliability, regardless of customer support, regardless of production capacity, and certainly most of all, regardless of track record?

Parts is Parts as you always infer, so why pay a higher price if you don't have to?

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (269610)4/18/2012 5:00:18 PM
From: Mahmoud Mohammed of 272403
 
Elmer,

Re: "Parts is Parts as you (Mr Guru) always infer, so why pay a higher price if you don't have to?"

Dell has customers that know "Parts is Parts" is a "bunch of crap".

Mahmoud

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To: Mahmoud Mohammed who wrote (269611)4/18/2012 5:40:33 PM
From: Elmer Phud of 272403
 
Dell has customers that know "Parts is Parts" is a "bunch of crap"

Something Mr Guru has never grasped.

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (269612)4/18/2012 5:49:12 PM
From: rzborusa of 272403
 
You exs and sperts are sure a loyal bunch. Ya getting any vibes from Otis, feel anything coming on?

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (269612)4/18/2012 6:13:29 PM
From: fastpathguru of 272403
 
>Dell has customers that know "Parts is Parts" is a "bunch of crap"

Something Mr Guru has never grasped.

LOL, I pegged it as a "bunch of crap" the moment Elmer started using it.

fpg

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To: rzborusa who wrote (269613)4/18/2012 6:26:15 PM
From: Elmer Phud of 272403
 
Ya getting any vibes from Otis, feel anything coming on?

Yes. I'm getting the feeling that the Parts is Parts model doesn't quite fit the data anymore.

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