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To: Cherry Wang who wrote (265607)1/4/2011 10:19:33 PM
From: Elmer Phud of 272393
 
Cherry -

I'll tell you why BullDozer(BDZR) matters. AMD has sunk a lot of resources into it's development over a number of years. If BDZR is uncompetitive then those dollars were wasted. We really know very little about BDZR's performance and we can't rely on AMD's hype so I think it's likely it will disappoint. If this plays out then it becomes a valid question to ask if AMD should get out of the that game. They may have a viable product in Fusion, we'll have to wait and see, but if AMD continues it's string of disappointments with BDZR then imo it's time to redirect their resources into areas where they can do some good. It's time to stop fighting Intel for the sake of fighting Intel. That's left AMD a shell of it's former self. Time to aim for profits and not vengeance.

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To: Cherry Wang who wrote (265607)1/4/2011 11:33:04 PM
From: eracer of 272393
 
Re: i try help other board find bulldozer. they no want to find

They no want to feed troll who ask same dumb question.

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To: Saturn V who wrote (265608)1/4/2011 11:42:18 PM
From: eracer of 272393
 
Re: The Llano may find sucess as an Atom competitor, but the rest of the client chips will have to be sold at throw away prices.

Llano will be competing with Pentium and Core i3, not Atom, in CPU performance and will have a far better GPU than any Core i3 GPU.

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To: wvbuild 06 who wrote (265595)1/5/2011 12:13:40 AM
From: SonnyListon of 272393
 
What comments were interesting?

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To: eracer who wrote (265610)1/5/2011 12:16:49 AM
From: SonnyListon of 272393
 
They can't face the TRUTH.

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To: eracer who wrote (265610)1/5/2011 12:24:13 AM
From: Cherry Wang of 272393
 
They no want to feed troll who ask same dumb question."

please to kiss chinese nuts :b

i rite, u wong

cherry wang

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To: SonnyListon who wrote (265613)1/5/2011 1:30:23 AM
From: eracer of 272393
 
Re: They can't face the TRUTH.

Perhaps a few don't. But even AMD pessimists like myself don't want to read the "truth" anymore when it is delivered as ridiculous, juvenile taunts over and over and over again.

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To: Elmer Phud who wrote (265606)1/5/2011 3:41:12 AM
From: Petz of 272393
 
What I see is the usual trickery of comparing the $235 AMD part ($200 at Frys) to the $317 Sandy Bridge rather than to the $215 Sandy Bridge. Anyway, these are high end desktop chips (95w for quad cores). No one puts $300 CPUs in bread and butter desktops. AMD was smart to bring Fusion out for notebooks first.

Also, notice they didn't report anything positive about graphics performance. It seems pointless to me to have bad integrated graphics on a desktop chip, especially, as they point out, when the graphics core and its power are wasted when an external PCIe graphics card is plugged in. It might make sense if the two Intel chipsets compatible with the new CPUs were any cheaper than chipsets that included graphics (either AMD or Intel), but I doubt that is the case with yet another socket design.

Still, the 216mm^2 die size is smaller than the i5/i7 quad cores they will eventually replace, so if Intel can transition quickly, it should lead to higher margins.

Petz

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To: eracer who wrote (265611)1/5/2011 3:56:43 AM
From: dr_elis of 272393
 
"Llano will be competing with Pentium and Core i3, not Atom, in CPU performance and will have a far better GPU than any Core i3 GPU."

Llano versus the Clarkdale stuff and/or against Sandy Bridge? I don´t see Llano competing in performance with Sandy Bridge, Llano must be cheap - that´s all there is.

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To: dr_elis who wrote (265617)1/5/2011 6:49:06 AM
From: pgerassi of 272393
 
Looking at performance, Sandy Bridge is underwhelming. The GPU part is below even where it was purported to be. Sure it can get the same FPS as a 5450, but with far lower quality than the 5450 puts out. At the same image quality (when it can really do that), it is much slower than a 5450.

Now for those that think the CPU part will make up for the below minimum GPU, it is being compared to a Zacate CPU which is in a far lower price range. Heck for the price of the highest Sandy Bridge at $317, you get 5 Zacate E350s (almost 6) which together would on multi-threaded code far overwhelm that Sandy Bridge CPU and the GPU portions could drive five displays in an Eyefinity Display Cluster (3600x1280) all at a lower TDP (90W vs 95W (or is it 125W?)). A single Llano won't be far behind that Sandy Bridge CPU, but likely cost half as much. The GPU part will blow the Sandy Bridges GPU out of the water. Even if the latter were paired with a mainstream discrete GPU like a 5570 (DDR3 at 1800MHz), Llano would likely still be a little faster.

As for normal people not needing this kind of GPU power, my brother, who is not a computer geek, being a CNC machinist for a long time (>30yrs), has a Radeon 4670 (512MB 128 bit DDR3-1800) that he uses to game (mostly FPS) on a single core Athlon 64 3500+ (2.2GHz) with 3GB of dual channel DDR-400 system. He also uses it for Autocad stuff from work. Llano would be an upgrade, but SB would be a step back (not enough GPU for his needs in either Autocad or gaming). So SB isn't the barn burner Intel supporters would like it to be. Heck it fails for my brother and other such relatives outside the computer business (carpenters, machinists, bookkeepers, electricians, bakers, mechanics, farmers, etc.). They need the better balance of CPU and GPU of the Fusion ones than SB ones.

Pete

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