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To: rsie who wrote (6928)2/13/2012 9:04:22 AM
From: Boca_PETE   of 7566
 
Very interesting and persuasive chart comparisons explained in this linked report. Thanks for providing it.

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To: gronieel2 who wrote (6911)2/14/2012 1:51:02 PM
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ECRI's Puzzling Recession Call: The Growth Index Contraction Eases Yet Again

"The credibility of the ECRI call has been undermined by a number of recent economic indicators, including today's better-than-expected decline in the unemployment rate. Likewise the unabated rally in major US indexes since the ECRI call casts additional doubt on their position."

Lakshman Achuthan: You Won't Know If Our Recession Call Was Wrong Until One Year From Now

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From: Justa Werkenstiff2/15/2012 9:54:43 AM
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To: gronieel2 who wrote (6934)2/16/2012 7:12:42 PM
From: marc ultra3 Recommendations   of 7566
 
No matter what happens going forward it was a dead wrong catastrophic call IMO made far worse by the media tour following the public announcement in which Lak indicated absolute certainty about both the recession and the fact it would be bad, and to paraphrase their words "if you think things are bad now you ain't seen nothing yet." They talked about unemployment likely going into double digits among other things and it was their choice to use the highly urgent inflammatory words that suggested the need for immediate action when he spoke about how there was a downward wildfire contagion in the indicators.

The fact is the call and the way it was presented was as wrong and as bad as could be imagined The fact that they have stuck with it including with the Bloomberg interview of 12/8 re-affirming the call, an interview they still have linked on their site, says they stubbornly have doubled down rather than shown the slightest indication of doubt in the face of their own WLI moving strongly up along with numerous other economic indicators including the Conference Board Index of Leading Indicators and jobless claims showing strength. I can only think that they may have been hoping that their call would be bailed out by problems in Europe and with Europe not falling apart they seem to be in a bunker mentality worried about embarrassment and the lost of perhaps millions in subscriptions and fees that were being shelled out to them given their prior aura of infallibility. Bob and Lak entered the Thunderdome, my prediction at the time that Lak would be the one leaving alive was dead wrong and Bob is the one leaving.

The timing of their call couldn't have been worse as it looked like a 1998 type bottom around 9/22 and after initially getting very aggressive I basically did an about face to bearish on the ECRI call. Fortunately I at least didn't sell a large biotech position I had which has done well since but I had a few bearish hedges which I had to blow out of and it turned me necessarily over- cautious in some conservative accounts I'm handling. Whatever happens going forward I'm comfortable proclaiming Lak and the ECRI the biggest loser of 2011 and the last 6 months. I think with their long leading indicator down for a long time making them trigger-happy they then over-reacted to some short term factors and made a terrible call.

When they made the call with full confidence and certainty I thought about how it's been proven that people believe in court testimony and eyewitness identification based on the confidence and certainty of the person, but psych experiments have proven there's no real correlation between that confidence and what the person says actually being correct. In this case a bunch of overconfidence and certainly by Lak made a wrong call far worse and while nobody's been convicted of murder by the mistake, the timing of the call made many long time believers do the exact opposite of what they should have been doing in terms of investing at the time of their call.

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To: marc ultra who wrote (6936)2/16/2012 7:21:05 PM
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I think your assessment of the calls is correct.

Check out today's close, 1358.04; it's the exact top in May


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To: Investor2 who wrote (6937)2/16/2012 8:46:23 PM
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I think I misread the chart. Sorry.

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To: Investor2 who wrote (6937)2/17/2012 10:21:19 AM
From: Boca_PETE   of 7566
 
You point out today's close, 1358.04; is the exact top in May. Per your posted graph, it appears that the current top was made on LESS VOLUME than the top in May. Do you see that as an impactful indication going forward?

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To: marc ultra who wrote (6936)2/17/2012 12:11:18 PM
From: gronieel2   of 7566
 
Lak was a little more than condescending and arrogant when he said "if you think things are bad now you ain't seen nothing yet."

He has a magic black box and most people couldn't understand it if he even let them look he sniffs.

Now he's saying he needs a year before he could be wrong.

Maybe Lak has no clothes?

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To: Boca_PETE who wrote (6939)2/17/2012 1:48:32 PM
From: Investor2   of 7566
 
I owned shares of Semiconductor Holders Trust (SMH) last year. On 10/4/11, before it's conversion to an ETF, I received a distribution of $150.00 per round lot owned. On the 1099B from my broker, this is listed as a "RETURN OF PRINCIPAL" and is included in the gross proceeds total of stock sales for the year.

How do I determine the cost basis of this transaction?

Thanks,

I2

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To: Boca_PETE who wrote (6939)2/17/2012 1:51:37 PM
From: Investor2   of 7566
 
I misread the graph. The top in May was 1370. Sorry.


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