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To: engineer who wrote (92690)6/23/2010 10:53:17 AM
From: Neeka
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I couldn't agree more. They deserve everything they have.......or don't have. Quite amazing considering where they were 10 yrs ago.

Too bad, so sad! ;)

P.S. I was taught to never find happiness in other's misfortune. After reading Mq's post, I really had to constrain myself.

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To: Eric L who wrote (92680)6/23/2010 11:01:53 AM
From: Art Bechhoefer
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Eric, your assertion that Symbian 3 is adequate for the job is just that--an assertion. Given the popularity of the Apple system in the iPhone and iPad and the increasing popularity of Android, it is doubtful that Symbian 3 will be recognized as anything more than another band aid solution. And even if Symbian were better than that, it's like the difference between the Macintosh system and Windows. Windows in its earlier versions never worked as well or as intuitively as the Mac system, but since it was used on about 90 percent of personal computers, it became the accepted system.

I don't see anything yet that argues in favor of Symbian superseding Apple OS or Android. In fact, it would be foolish to assume that Symbian would ever have anything but a minor role in smartphones or smart books, or tablets.

As for QCOM cooperating with Nokia on Symbian or any other system, well, why not? But mere words do not show QCOM priorities. It is clear that QCOM has always given major emphasis to support for Android, and to a certain extent for Windows Mobile 6 and 7. Press releases that say the two companies "are planning to work together . . . " are really nothing more than a show of intent. By the time anything comes of this cooperation, the three existing systems -- Apple, Android, and Windows for certain customers -- will have 95 percent of the market.


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From: Bill Wolf6/23/2010 11:10:52 AM
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June 23, 2010, 6:46 AM ET

LG Goes Android With Optimus Q

LG Electronics has been riding on the success of its “Chocolate” slider phone for years, but since the device’s 2005 launch, it’s struggled to come up with a popular follow-up.

Now the South Korean cellphone maker, the world’s third-largest behind Nokia and Samsung, is betting on a new Android-powered smartphone called Optimus Q.

Its operating profit margin from its handset business fell to 0.9% in the first quarter ended March 31, from 6.4% a year earlier.

The Optimus Q features a 1-gigahertz CPU and a 3.5-inch high definition screen. It has a 5-megapixel camera and its memory storage capacity can be increased to 32 gigabytes. It retails for around $758 in South Korea.

But with plenty of other smartphone options in the market from Apple, Nokia, Samsung and Research in Motion, does LG’s new phone have a chance to compete?

“It’s going to be tough for LG’s handset business to recover any time soon,” says S.H. Chun, an analyst at Eugene Investment & Securities.

LG Electronics’ new phone comes after crosstown rival Samsung recently launched its Galaxy S smartphone, which has a 1 gigahertz CPU, a 4-inch AMOLED screen and a 5 megapixel camera. Sony Ericsson plans to launch its Xperia X10 in South Korea later this month. The device has similar features but has a superior camera with 8.1 megapixels.

Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

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From: Bill Wolf6/23/2010 11:47:42 AM
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Analyst Angle: The Qualcomm Snapdragon platform and its dramatic impact on the competitive landscape

Ron Westfall, Research Director of Silicon, Current Analysis

Story posted: June 23, 2010 - 10:31 am ET

Editor's Note:Welcome to our weekly feature, Analyst Angle. We've collected a group of the industry's leading analysts to give their outlook on the hot topics in the wireless industry.

The Qualcomm Snapdragon platform continues to generate robust industry attention to accompany its steadily expanding customer base. The Snapdragon platform is already incorporated into over 140 device designs that include mobile devices that range from HTC's Droid Incredible and Nexus One smartphones to Huawei's S7 tablet to name a few.

The Snapdragon platform can be viewed as competing within the mobile application processor market segment (also referred to as the mobile multimedia processor market segment). Today the mobile application processor segment includes integrated circuit platforms that typically integrate the application processor core along with additional functions such as baseband modem and wireless connectivity functions onto a single system-on-a-chip; this includes the Qualcomm Snapdragon.

The mobile application processor market also consists of IC platforms that exclude integration of baseband modems (e.g., Texas Instrument's OMAP 4). The mobile application processor platform segment addresses a wide range of mobile devices including smartphones, mobile Internet devices, netbooks and portable media devices. By its nature, the mobile application processor market segment attracts a wide swath of competition from the top-tier mobile silicon players, including Samsung, Apple, Intel and TI.

Due to Qualcomm's historically solid competitive foundation, based heavily on its CDMA chipset royalties, and the burgeoning traction of the Snapdragon platform (in over 140 device designs), it presents a mounting competitive challenge and thus generates the key issue of how the competition can position against the overall Snapdragon platform. At the recent COMPUTEX 2010 show, Qualcomm unveiled the sampling of the third generation of its Snapdragon platform – namely its first dual-CPU Snapdragon chipsets consisting of the MSM8260, MSM8660 and QSD8672 products that feature enhanced dual cores that can run at up to 1.2 GHz and 1.5 GHz respectively, and are targeted at the high-end smartphone market area (the third generation Snapdragon platform is expected to support commercial products by the end of 2010). The new third-generation Snapdragon products complement its first-generation QSD8x50 1GHz core product and the second-generation MSM8x55 and QSD8x50A products with 1 GHz enhanced core, including multimedia optimizations and 1.3 GHz enhanced core respectively.

The Snapdragon platform has been commercially available since Q4 2008 through the QSD8650 and QSD8250 first generation product offerings. From its inception, Qualcomm positioned the Snapdragon platform as an innovative breakthrough offering since it uses the in-house custom developed Scorpion CPU as the core application processor based on the ARMv7-based Cortex-A8 core. This approach has enabled Qualcomm to engineer improvements over standard off-the-shelf ARMv7-based Cortex-A8 processors in areas such as power consumption (e.g., the first Scorpion processor required 150 milliwatts less power consumption at 600 MHz than the non-customized ARM equivalent and so on) as well as optimizing the processor design for the low-power process. As a result, the Snapdragon platform has proven a stalwart in the smartphone and tablet application processor market, as evidenced by the Snapdragon platform's multiple high-profile mobile device OEM selections.

For the first generation Snapdragon QSD82x0 products and the second generation Snapdragon MSM8x55 and QSD8x50A products, Qualcomm shares platform and product metrics in areas such as core processor clock speed/performance, flexible wireless connectivity functions, HD video/3D/display/camera support and operating system versatility. This gives rivals a wide range of product areas to seek selective differentiation against the Qualcomm Snapdragon platform, although Qualcomm is hardly unique in that regard.

The topic of core processor clock speed and performance, for example, represents a straightforward and intuitive product area for rivals to assert competitive differentiation. The Snapdragon platform's first-generation QSD8x50 supports a 1 GHz core processor while the second-generation MSM8x55 and QSD8x50A products support a 1 GHz enhanced core, including multimedia optimizations and a 1.3 GHz enhanced core respectively.

In contrast, Intel asserts that its x86 processor-based Moorestown platform via the Atom Z6xx processor series can support up to 1.5 GHz clock speed for smartphone devices and up to 1.9 GHz clock speed for tablet devices. Such metrics will still match the third generation Snapdragon QSD8672 product that is designed to run dual cores that operate at 1.5 GHz (this product should appear in mobile devices at retail by the end of 2010). This complements Intel's overall efforts to position its Moorestown platform as prime time ready for smartphone technology due to the improvements realized in areas such as power consumption advances in battery life spans (based on 1500 mAh batteries) in support of 1080p/720p video (e..g, up to four hours for 1080p video) and browsing applications as well as multi-fold improvements gained in Java script, Web page, graphics and video performance. This includes up to fourfold Java script performance improvement and at least a doubling of Web page download performance and graphic performance in relation to the Qualcomm Snapdragon platform as well as wielding the industry's only across-the-board support of 1080 HP/MP/BP 30 fps and 720 HP/MP/BP 30 fps video capabilities.

Intel's overall R&D investment and marketing blitz on behalf of the Moorestown platform is certainly targeted at Snapdragon, as well as advancing Intel's longstanding ambition to promote the x86 processor architecture as a viable alternative to the ARM processor architecture that dominates the mobile device silicon market today. Intel hopes to play a more prominent role within the overall mobile device silicon market beyond netbook silicon. There is a bit of irony here as Intel is looking to use the Intel Moorestown platform to attack the ARM-centric Snapdragon platform in Qualcomm's backyard of smartphone and tablet silicon, while Qualcomm is developing the Snapdragon platform to help more directly challenge Intel's prominence within the netbook silicon segment.

Apple, Samsung and TI are Qualcomm rivals that also use the customization of the ARMv7-based Cortex-A8 processor to achieve select advancements over the standard ARM offering. Samsung and Apple currently have a strange bedfellow arrangement that can influence how they position their respective platforms against the Snapdragon platform. Samsung collaborated with Intrinsity in developing and introducing its 45nm-based Hummingbird platform during 2009. In April 2010, it was revealed that Apple acquired Intrinsity in stealth mode to lock up the FastCore intellectual property that was instrumental in realizing the iPad A4 processor's enhancements to standard issue ARM Cortex-8 core processor technology (e.g., achieving 1 Ghz clock speed on a 45nm process).

Through the acquisition, Apple can promote that its A4 processor development efforts are dedicated exclusively to the support of Apple products such as the iPad and iPhone, and the company can avoid the dissipation of processor engineering resources that its rivals, such as Qualcomm, are obliged to perform through the open-ended support of multiple OEM products.

Samsung should look to further elucidate its plans to license the Hummingbird technology to other mobile device vendors and what if any impact this has on its Apple relationship. The Apple acquisition of Intrinsity does not change the fact that Apple's A4 technology remains based on Samsung's 45nm SoC technology and Samsung continues to have access and wield the Hummingbird IP gained from its joint collaboration with Intrinsity prior to the Apple acquisition of Intrinsity.

Samsung continues to register significant product development and marketing advances with its Hummingbird SC5PC110 processor. The Hummingbird S5PC110 runs the Samsung Galaxy S smartphone, which Samsung asserts will launch in an astonishing 110 countries. One area the Samsung can assert clear product differentiation against Qualcomm is in the area of 3D graphics. The S5PC110 processor can scale up to support 90 million triangles per second. In contrast, the Qualcomm QSD8650 delivers only 22 million triangles per second while the pending QSD8672 will do up to 80 million triangles per second. Additionally, in the related area of 2D graphics rendering, Samsung's S5PC110 product can support up to one billion pixels per second while Qualcomm's QSD8650 supports only 133 million pixels per second and the upcoming QSD8672 product still comes up short against Samsung with an improved 500 million pixels per second.

TI's OMAP 4 platform using the OMAP4440 processor is slated to support mobile device products that will hit retail in late 2010/early 2011. The OMAP processor series is already found in well-known mobile handset products such as the Nokia N-series, the Motorola Droid, and the Palm Pre. However, OMAP 4 dual core clock speeds are limited to just 1 GHz, and that's for a product that is not yet in generally available mobile products. In this regard, OMAP 4 only ties the Qualcomm Snapdragon's first generation 1 GHz product and trails both the second and third generation 1.2 GHz/1.5GHz products.

However, TI has already staked out a competitive position against Qualcomm in this area showing how apples-to-apples comparisons can prove dicey at times in the mobile silicon space. TI asserts that the OMAP 4 can deliver improved resolution display and still image metrics in relation to the Snapdragon platform, despite the core processor clock speed differentials. For example, the OMAP 4 can deliver 20-megapixel camera support while the QSD8x50 product can only handle 12-megapixel cameras. Moreover, TI advocates the OMAP 4 platform will prove more flexible in hardware support of future video codecs in relation to the Snapdragon platform. TI will also invoke that its OMAP4440 processor will use the ARM Cortex-9 architecture, which can yield performance improvements over ARM Cortex-A8 products (up to 30% according to ARM) and more flexible dual core power management arrangements.

Overall the most serious long-term competitive threats to the Qualcomm Snapdragon platform within the smartphone and tablet application processor market will prove to be the major mobile silicon players such as Samsung, Apple and TI, as well as Intel, who already possess competitive application processor platforms targeted specifically at smartphone, MID and tablet products. Mobile silicon rivals such as Marvell, Freescale, Nvidia and ST-Ericsson all sport viable mobile application processor platforms but need to prove they can move the market needle more within the mobile application processor market segment to mount a serious challenge to Qualcomm in the evolving smartphone/tablet silicon market segment. Marvell and Freescale have achieved market distinction within the eReader niche, for example, but are not able to match the Snapdragon's presence in over 140 device design wins.

Samsung, Apple, Intel and TI all possess the product differentiators in areas such as core processor clock speed/performance, power consumption metrics, and HD video/3D/display/camera video performance and the global channels to challenge the Snapdragon's early market prominence in this area into the foreseeable future.

Ron Westfall is the Research Director of Silicon at Current Analysis and is responsible for tracking the evolution and the competitive landscape within the global chipset market, including mobile device chipsets. Westfall brings over twelve years of analytical experience to the overall telecommunications and silicon market, including specialization in mobile silicon, regulatory issues, and telecom infrastructure technologies. Contact Westfall at or follow him on Twitter @sirronsilicon.

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To: engineer who wrote (92690)6/23/2010 12:17:11 PM
From: iggyl
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iPhone grabs 20%+ smartphone market share in the land of Nokia
by Steven Sande (RSS feed) on Jun 23rd 2010 at 12:00PM

Finland is the home of mobile phone giant Nokia, but that's not keeping Apple from eating away at the Finnish market for smartphones.

Apple now has over 20% of the Finnish smartphone market. The numbers were disclosed on Sunday by Finnish carrier TeliaSonera, and published by YLE, the Finnish Broadcasting Company.

Although the content of the Google-translated YLE post is subject to interpretation, the gist appears to be that worldwide cell phone market leader Nokia (with about a 33% share of the total world market) is losing share more quickly in the smartphone sector. The iPhone is the current culprit, although Android-based systems are having a impact on Nokia's bottom line as well.

Nokia announced last week that revenue expectations will be lower, primarily because the company is not selling as many higher-priced smart phones as anticipated. Nokia still has 89% of the total mobile phone market in Finland, but as the Finnish people move from simpler phones to more functional smartphones, there is concern that the company will suffer from competition from Apple and other non-Finnish manufacturers.

The sales pressure from Apple on Nokia's home turf might explain the run of patent infringement lawsuits from Nokia during the last six months. TeliaSonera Sales Director Juha Koivuniemi believes that Nokia could benefit in the long run from the competition as a growing market for more expensive smartphones should increase margins for the Finnish phone manufacturer.

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To: Bill Wolf who wrote (92701)6/23/2010 1:22:45 PM
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Intel preps 'Android x86’ for netbooks and slates

David Flynn24 June 2010, 12:49 AM (2 hours 30 minutes ago.)

Intel will ship a fully native x86 version of Android 2.2 ‘Froyo’ to developers in the next two months to spur growth of Atom-powered Android netbooks and slates.
The highly-anticipated Android 2.2 ‘Froyo’ release looks set to mark another stage in the evolution of Google’s mobile OS with the move onto PC-standard x86 architecture.

Android was originally written for the ARM processors which power most smartphones, along with the new class of slates and 3G ‘smartbooks’.

But Intel has been adapting Android’s open source code to run as a native x86 operating system so that its army of hardware partners can use Atom processors for Android tablets, netbooks and, at some stage in the future, smartphones.

“Our expectation is that (native x86 Android) will be based on the Froyo release and will be available this summer to developers” Renee James, Intel’s senior veep for software and services, told APC.

James says the process of ‘Atomising’ Android “wasn’t tremendously difficult, as we have a lot experience in Linux”.

In addition “all of the (x86) code will be fed back into the open branch that will be created for x86” and will fully accessible to the Android developer community.

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To: Jon Koplik who wrote (87145)6/23/2010 1:27:35 PM
From: Jon Koplik
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I now have my first "Apple iPad user is a DORK" - story ................................

We just returned from a trip.

At the airport where we "departed" (at the self-service check-in kiosks),

people were either using a credit card to let the machine "know" their name and retrieve the reservation, or

were looking at a computer print-out they were carrying (with the airline confirmation number), or

were looking at a piece of scrap paper in their pocket (with the hand-written airline confirmation number) (me) (the "avoid the 12 cents per page for computer printer ink" - method), but ...

We actually saw a guy pull out his iPad in order to (only) look up his six character airline confirmation number.



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To: Jon Koplik who wrote (92704)6/23/2010 1:28:36 PM
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BREAKING..Google 'activating 160,000 Android phones a day'

(from Syl80 on Android board)

Chief executive Eric Schmidt says both takeup of operating system and number of apps are growing rapidly
* Charles Arthur, technology editor
*, Wednesday 23 June 2010 18.12 BST

Google is now activating 160,000 mobile phones using its Android software a day, equivalent to 4.8m a month, according to the company's chief executive, Eric Schmidt.

The number is also accelerating, having been put at 100,000 a day in the third week of May during Google's annual I/O conference, Schmidt said – indicating sales growth of 60% per month.

"We have seen a tremendous increase in adoption," Schmidt said in an interview exclusive to the Guardian in the UK. "We've also seen a growth in the number of apps available for Android – there are now approximately 65,000 compared to only 50,000 a month ago." He believes that that means Android could have reached the volume necessary to become an essential mobile operating system – and perhaps the equivalent of Windows on PCs.

At those numbers, roughly 15m Android smartphones would be sold every quarter, compared with a worldwide total of 54m sold in the first quarter of 2010, according to the research company Gartner.

Though Schmidt's announcement was clearly timed to steal some of the thunder of Apple's launch in five countries of the iPhone 4 on Thursday, Schmidt declined to compare the Android platform's market position against its better-known rival. Apple has said that it had orders of 600,000 in a single day for the iPhone 4 last week, and was unable to keep up with demand.

Google is notified whenever a smartphone using the Android operating system is activated by a mobile network. In the US, a number of different models are sold on different networks from different manufacturers, including Motorola, which on Wednesday unveiled its latest Droid X phone on the Verizon network. "It's the best phone ever made on the fastest network," Schmidt said – which could be seen as a dig at AT&T, which has the exclusive contract to sell the iPhone in the US but has struggled to satisfy users' demands for mobile data bandwidth.

Asked whether he saw Apple or Nokia – which has the largest market share of smartphones – as Android's biggest competitor, Schmidt said: "I try to spend my time not focusing on those questions."

Android is a free mobile operating system which any handset maker can use and alter to produce a new version, while developers are able to write apps which will work on any specific version of the system.

However, while Apple has maintained a tight focus on its App Store, which has roughly 250,000 free and paid-for apps available, Google offers them via a "Marketplace", and allows any app to run on Android "as long as it does not harm the network," Schmidt said.

But calculations by a company called Larva Labs, which develops for Android, suggest that iPhone developers may be faring better financially than those on the Android Marketplace. Steve Jobs said earlier this month that Apple has paid out $1bn to developers through a revenue split (which has earned Apple roughly $420m).

By contrast, Larva Labs reckons that Android developers have only earned $20m in total from the Marketplace. Schmidt said he had not seen the figures, but added: "Developers go where the volume is. That's the most important lesson of platform economics: it's all about scale and volume. It's very important that developers get to a scale where they can see the ability to get to a very large audience. We believe we have done so."

Asked whether Android could become the equivalent of Windows for PCs – the dominant operating system – Schmidt said: "The advantage with Android is that anybody can use it. In many ways it is better than Windows because it's free, rather than Windows which had an ever-increasing price point."

He declined to say whether Google has been talking to Nokia about the possibility of an Android-driven Nokia phone, or whether Google would release its own tablet computer similar to Apple's iPad, which has sold 3m units in 90 days.

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To: FUBHO who wrote (92705)6/23/2010 1:44:00 PM
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BREAKING..Google 'activating 160,000 Android phones a day'

From 100,000 per day a month ago? I'd call that growth. <G>

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To: FUBHO who wrote (92703)6/23/2010 2:16:54 PM
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one would have thought that they would drop the x86 compatability after more than 30 years of processor progress....

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