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From: FWS4/18/2008 1:50:11 AM
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Yes, I agree that the people on this collective thread may not be the audience for mediaflo. Go to Flotv.com and one can see that there are ALOT of hit shows being carried on Mediaflo. I have mobile tv on Sprint.. and the Mediaflo Pricing is on Par with SprintTv. Kids get bored. Humans get bored. The minute I come through the door at home.. the tv goes on. Paul Jacobs has said many times that people think they will never watch tv on a small screen. But once they see Mediaflo in action, they say it is just like HDTV on a small screen. Key will be the EASE OF USE. Hit one button and it's on. Compared to what I've seen with Mediaflo.. the ease of use of my Sprint Mobile TV sucks.

Why give it away for free right from the start? I truly believe that if they offered it for $5-8$... people would come flocking. Why? Because I am a cheapskate. And If that price is good enough for me.. it's good enough for everybody else! I personally can't wait for Mediaflo. I can't wait for streaming radio. I can't wait for whatever they dream up next to stream. Mediaflo is a supremely economical way to deliver content to phones.

Phones with large screens are proliferating. 4 years ago I saw very few smartphones. Now everywhere I look there are smartphones. I thought I would never get a cellphone.. and 5 years later It's a habit of mine to always have the best smartphone on the market. I never thought I would text, but now I barely talk and ONLY text. I thought I needed a full computer screen to use the internet.. but now I google and read techstocks.com all the time on my treo.

I take my phone with me, wherever I go... to the bathroom.. to the kitchen, even to bed. Look on the street and people walk down the street with their cellphones in their hand.

The cellphone has one huge advantage.. it is ALWAYS WITH US.. and that is what Q is counting on.

Anyway.. I'm praying just like everybody else here that Mediaflo is a success. And I'm tired of this slow rollout also. At a 5$ prince point we're flooded.. Hopefully...

But remember.. unlimited text already costs $5. Picturemail also costs $5. So $10 is about right to me..

AND YES... MTV IS ONE OF THE CHANNELS... WATCH THE HILLS!

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To: slacker711 who wrote (76425)4/18/2008 3:03:00 AM
From: Maurice Winn4 Recommendations   of 117481
 
MediaFLO looks like Globalstar in that respect too = stuck as an infrastructure provider to greedy and indifferent service providers who don't care if it goes broke. If the service providers can grab some bucks on the way, well and good. If not, too bad.

At least Globalstar didn't have greedy and indifferent suppliers too. The MediaFLO content providers don't really care if their content isn't used - they prefer to just charge heaps and maybe get a few customers; no skin off their nose if they don't. Yes, there's opportunity cost, but that's not normally much of a motivator.

MediaFLO is squeezed between service providers and content providers. That's not a good share-bargaining position unless there are lots of competing content providers, which there don't seem to be, and lots of competing service providers, which there aren't.

Mqurice

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To: FWS who wrote (76435)4/18/2008 7:03:06 AM
From: JeffreyHF2 Recommendations   of 117481
 
For a brief time I had an LG Voyager, but couldn't stand the primitive touchscreen software. To your point, FWS, it did have a large screen, and the FLO experience was enhanced thereby.Anecdotally, I can't tell you how many times people have seen me watching, and were amazed that such high quality cell phone TV exists.Many are unaware, because of minimal marketing efforts thus far. With AT&T coming on line, TV stations vacating spectrum on their way to digital, and newly purchased spectrum becoming available, there is reason to expect marketing/content will improve, and demand will rise.

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To: FWS who wrote (76435)4/18/2008 7:23:36 AM
From: slacker711   of 117481
 
Why give it away for free right from the start? I truly believe that if they offered it for $5-8$... people would come flocking.

I like the idea of a free ad supported network with some premium tiers, but you are absolutely right that a service that started at $5-$8 would have a very good chance at success.

Hell, I still cant believe that the carriers arent willing to offer a month of free service. That might hook people even at $15. It worked well for the launch of Sprint's Vision data services.


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To: slacker711 who wrote (76438)4/18/2008 7:48:40 AM
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Wireless service uses technology by Qualcomm

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By Jennifer Davies
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

April 18, 2008

This revolution will be televised, but you might have to squint to see it.
That's because you can now watch TV, real TV shows such as “CSI,” “30 Rock” or MTV's “The Hills,” on your cell phone.



EDUARDO CONTRERAS / Union-Tribune
Verizon Wireless and Qualcomm are hoping television and cell phones are a match.
Verizon Wireless, using Qualcomm's MediaFlo technology, yesterday launched a service that provides live TV on cell phones in San Diego. It is the 58th market to have access to Verizon's V Cast Mobile TV service, which was first rolled out more than a year ago.

The service, which costs between $13 and $25 a month, allows Verizon subscribers to watch live programming from a variety of networks, including NBC, CBS, ESPN, MTV, Fox and Nickelodeon.

Unlike other services, Verizon's V Cast Mobile TV service is not merely short video clips downloaded to a cell phone. Rather it is an actual TV broadcast in which viewers can see sporting events such as March Madness and the U.S. Open play out in real time.

“When you are out and about, you don't have to miss that last-minute shot,” said Paul Jacobs, Qualcomm's chief executive.

The question is whether people will really want to watch, say, Kansas take the NCAA basketball championship into overtime against Memphis on a two-inch cell-phone screen.



EDUARDO CONTRERAS / Union-Tribune
Some wireless industry analysts are skeptical that there will be great demand for cell phone television.
Some analysts are skeptical.

Michael King, who covers the wireless industry for Gartner Group, a research firm, said he's unsure if there is real demand for this type of service.

While subscribers in South Korea and Japan have quickly adopted the mobile-TV technology, U.S. consumers have been less enthusiastic. Verizon declined to provide V Cast subscriber numbers, but King said he believes the results to date have been “disappointing.”

“Suffice to say, they've faced some real challenges in its adoption,” King said.

Among those challenges are the limited number of phones that receive Verizon's Mobile TV as well as the cost of the service itself. Currently, only four of Verizon's phone models can get the live TV programming, including the LG Voyager, which retails for $350, as well as less expensive models such as the Motorola RIZR, which retails for $129, after a $50 rebate.

Gina Lombardi, president of Qualcomm's MediaFlo USA subsidiary, said the service has been researched extensively, using focus groups totaling about 4,000 people. The lessons from those focus groups were that people would watch from 30 minutes to an hour of live programming on their cell phones.


While not a big TV watcher, Jacobs said he has become addicted to TV on his mobile phone, keeping it tuned to financial channels while in his office. He said he has regretted that friends and fellow San Diegans have had to wait so long for the service.

Qualcomm typically likes to launch its new technologies on its home turf, but several technical problems delayed the local launch.

The MediaFlo technology works much the same way that regular television does, beaming signals to multiple devices at once, using 50,000-watt transmitters mounted on towers and tall buildings.



AdvertisementFor the service to work, existing television stations using UHF channel 55 had to vacate that spectrum, something that was difficult in San Diego because two stations were using it, Jacobs said.
He said San Diegans will be attracted to the MediaFlo service, which is not the herky-jerky movements of much of the previous video offered on cell phones but rather actual TV broadcasts – fluid and watchable despite the screen size.

“It really changes your expectations,” he said.

Qualcomm and other wireless companies hope that those raised expectations will translate into big business for them. The San Diego wireless giant has bet big on MediaFlo, investing more than $800 million on the technology and the airwaves needed to transmit the broadcast signals. In addition to Verizon, AT&T plans to use MediaFlo to offer mobile TV service beginning next month.

Mark McKechnie, a financial analyst who covers Qualcomm for American Technology Research, said AT&T's launch could help spur more demand because it could create a pricing and marketing battle.

“We've certainly seen those dynamics before,” he said.

Also, local television stations, whose programming is not currently available on the mobile TV services, are looking to broadcast to cell phones as well. This week at the National Broadcasters Association meeting in Las Vegas, owners of more than 800 local stations said they are considering different standards for sending local TV signals to mobile devices.

While that might sound like competition for Qualcomm, Jacobs said it's actually a benefit for the company because it will pump up demand by offering more viewing options. Higher demand for TV-enabled cell phones means more sales of Qualcomm cell phone chips and more revenue for the company.

To provide the local content, Qualcomm would only need an additional radio chip to pick up the broadcast signal.


Still, the business models for the local broadcasters and for Qualcomm are decidedly different.

Qualcomm's MediaFlo makes its money through deals with national networks such as Comedy Central and NBC and then selling its service to companies such as Verizon at a wholesale rate. In turn, Verizon makes money by charging consumers a retail price.

Local broadcasters, which have seen their traditional advertising revenue shrink, hope that providing their content on mobile devices might help them increase their audiences.

That brings another issue with mobile TV to the forefront: do cell phone users really want to watch commercials? Lombardi said studies are trying to determine how many ads can be shown without users turning off the service.

But make no mistake about it.

“It's television. There are going to be commercials,” Lombardi said.

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To: slacker711 who wrote (76438)4/18/2008 9:28:00 AM
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VZ does offer a month of free service. Check it out!

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To: golfinvestor who wrote (76440)4/18/2008 9:47:32 AM
From: slacker711   of 117481
 
VZ does offer a month of free service. Check it out!

I must be missing something because I couldnt find anything that mentioned a free Vcast TV (or mobile data) trial on their website.

Where did you see the offer?

Slacker

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To: slacker711 who wrote (76441)4/18/2008 9:58:48 AM
From: golfinvestor   of 117481
 
You are right, I was unable to find first month free offer on their lame website. I saw the offer in their store.

The fact they do not advertise the one month free on their website says it all. They really blew there first to market advantage, but what else is knew.

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To: golfinvestor who wrote (76442)4/18/2008 10:14:51 AM
From: slacker7111 Recommendation   of 117481
 
You are right, I was unable to find first month free offer on their lame website. I saw the offer in their store.

The fact they do not advertise the one month free on their website says it all.


Just pathetic.

It is hard to see what kind of catalyst we can get to shake things up right now. After T's launch, there isnt going to be any easy way to do it. Adding MediaFLO as a subsciption service to a few PMP's isnt going to be enough.

Slacker

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From: ironair4/18/2008 10:46:57 AM
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"Killer apps", carrier control ... MediaFLO, satalite radio, etc...

If handset providers had MediaFLO independent of carrier, could this work?

Know its Nokia's contention that its difficulties in U.S. in part relate to carriers controlling what handsets work on their networks.

Understand Verizon has pledged to "open" its network. Wonder if this leaves any room for devices to be dual or multi-mode.

If so, could see satellite radio and MediaFLO both being popular independent offerings for devices.

Just a little creative thinking ... obviously there are contractual and technical hurdles ... but have a feeling the "killer apps" are on the verge of being discovered.

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