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To: Bob Mutchler who wrote (495)1/22/1997 12:25:00 PM
From: A66TALLguy   of 10851
 
Fellow LOR cult members:
The WSJ article refers to LOR as a "cult" stock...didn't know I was joining a cult when I merely bought stock in the company. And Don, what are those flames shooting up on the ranch...I always thought it just BBQ beef. Apparently by the stock's reaction, the article wasn't well received. Sacrifice another cow, Don!

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To: A66TALLguy who wrote (496)1/22/1997 2:33:00 PM
From: Wizard Wannabe   of 10851
 
To All Re: The WSJ article:

Yeah, I have to admit I got into Loral about 7 months ago because I'm a Bernie lover.

I found an interesting Website at eduvest.com 

This site has a model that calculates the value of a stock using fundamental analysis (no techno stuff).

Using the data from the WSJ article as input assumptions for the model, it gave me a Value Point for Loral for 1997 (in dollars/share) at about $18.50.

And assuming .14 eps this year and .48 eps for 1998 (again, as per the article), the VP hit at $29.00 per share.

I only used a one year earnings growth rate sustainability. If I had used 2+ years, as the model would have allowed me to do, I would have gotten a higher value point. I guess, I took the conservative approach.

Another nice thing about this site is that it allows you to post your results. So, I posted both for anybody to see, change input assumptions or comment about.

I would like to hear opinions on the model.

rgds

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To: Scott Zion who wrote (494)1/22/1997 6:49:00 PM
From: Mark Crisan   of 10851
 
I think LOR has a lot going for it, but it's the sort of stock that requires a 2 - 5 year commitment, I think. Even if their venture in Globalstar doesn't go gangbusters, there remains a top-quality satellite manufacturer in an era when data transmission will fuel massive demand for new "birds." I don't see this stock as over-priced, or even "speculative" in the classic sense of that term.

Watch the business wire -- LOR continues to land new contracts and has a backlog of 70 spacecraft. I have confidence that this will be a good
stock to be holding in the years to come. I would be quite surprised if the downside risk is more than 2 points at the current $17 level.

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To: Mark Crisan who wrote (498)1/23/1997 12:57:00 PM
From: Eduardo Fisher   of 10851
 
I love LOR stock. I think it has tremendous potential, but I would caution you on your analysis of just what it means to have a backlog of 70 satellites. Up until a few years ago almost all of the systems SS/L built were birds valued at $100M+. Today, 56 of those 70 satellites are Globalstar satellites worth somewhere between $13M and $24M (Please don't ask me for a more specific number, the answer is very political.) Further, SS/L's participation in the manufacture of the G* satellites is only about 20%. Their main job is to act as a project manager. They facilitate and manage all of the large subcontracts, and they do their best to keep the customer happy and contribute their share to corporate profits.

Even so, the balance of their backlog is very impressive, bigger than I have seen is my previous seven years with the company.

Just a note on the AT&T satellite failure: some people have speculated that this loss would hurt LOR. I dunno. As I recall, several years back, an Ariane Rocket carrying a very expensive Superbird B satellite blew up. What result? The customer ordered two more satellites! If AT&T is going to be in need of another satellite to replace the one it lost, not only will it have to lower its selling price to LOR, but it may just select SS/L as the replacement contractor. This might turn out to be double good news for LOR in the long run.

Eduardo

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To: Eduardo Fisher who wrote (499)1/23/1997 3:51:00 PM
From: Mark Crisan   of 10851
 
Thanks for your input, Eduardo. I read the WSJ column about LOR in 1/22 edition. I don't know wht to think of it...the word "strange" comes to mind. I don't know why LOR should be called a "cult" stock any more than News Corp would reflect on Rupert Murdoch, or Mirage Resorts would qualify as a stock for "Steve Wynn fanatics."

LOR seems merely a "fledgling" by comparison. Still, it appears that if the past counts for anything, one could do much worse than be in Bernard Schwartz's corner. I like the fact that he often speaks of things like creating "value," and isn't afraid to forecast company revenues and profits. And I'm sure he intends to deliver -- why wouldn't he?

I'm willing to be patient with LOR.

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To: A66TALLguy who wrote (496)1/23/1997 9:09:00 PM
From: Don Limb   of 10851
 
Alex...cult stock indeed. The bozo that wrote that article must have is head in the wrong place. Scott put it pretty plainly in his last post. LOR's management is nothing to reckon with. Yea, those flames are getting a little higher, but I can tell you this...when you have grandchildren, you can tell them that you bought LOR below $20. I remember my father telling me that he could have bought a few acres on S. Post Oak for a couple of hundred buck per acre. Now, mind you, that was a long time ago. He told me that "Boy, a couple of hundred bucks was all that we had to our name". Since that land is now selling for a couple of hundred per SQUARE INCH, I would have gone hungry and wore more hand-me-downs, just to have one of those acres. I get a little weary of the intermittent ups and downs of the daily grind, but I never take my eye off of the fundamentals. I had buy orders in recently for 18 1/2 and 17 1/2. Looks like I'll try to get some tomorrow at 16 1/2. Keep the faith, Alex. Don

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To: Don Limb who wrote (501)1/23/1997 11:07:00 PM
From: cc rogers   of 10851
 
DON: Been busy. I DO have property on Post Oak...sort of. Well, on 610...tiny house on corner of Sunburst and 610..due to zoning in Bellaire, my Aunt's legacy isn't the commercial goldmine she invisioned. But your comment brought back such memories...of when Post Oak @ Westheimer was a schoolhouse and a vegetable and zinnina stand.
Now. About LOR. I bought in at 11 and 14.5...so I put stops in and it sold at 17.25...and I have oper-to-buy order in at 14.5. The word "fledgling' is very appropriate...T does not fall far because the float is so enormous. But LOR has alot of exposure to naysayers and no'track' record. It will come, but: what if it doesn't? We have to play conservative and intelligent. I look at no stocks as so sacred that I won't take a nice profit if it is sliding down. Investor's Business Daily gives Lor EPS only a 26 on a scale of 100...which is realistic given history, risk and debt. So I don't sell calls until I have profit and even then I tack on a stop.
Very, very safe. I cleared over 20% profit and I'm ready to do it again.
So.....I guess I want to see it down. Sorry.

Just to 14.5??? Okay?

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To: Eduardo Fisher who wrote (499)1/24/1997 1:24:00 AM
From: Khai Nguyen   of 10851
 
I do respect your opinion as a semi-insider and your hard working
money for your law degree. I want to buy couple of hundred share
of LOR but I don't know what is the right price?. For sure that
I'm willing to take risk but this satellite business is new to me.
Could you give me some advices, thanks.

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To: Khai Nguyen who wrote (503)1/24/1997 6:08:00 AM
From: EUGENE A. LLOYD   of 10851
 
I sold some at 17 7/8. Holding the rest at 15 1/2. I have a buy order limit for more at 15 1/2.Ifeel this is a good or great company whether M.S. is there or not at the present tme.

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To: Don Limb who wrote ()1/24/1997 11:10:00 AM
From: john menke   of 10851
 
This came out over Bloomberg on Wednesday. Does anyone know
what 2 billion in revenue would mean as far as earnings?


* LORAL SPACE AND COMMUNICATION's
chairman, Bernard Schwartz, said
he thinks the company will have revenue of $2 billion this year,
rising to about $2.5 billion next year, the Wall Street Journal
reported in its ``Heard on the Street'' column. Some analysts
don't expect Loral shares to rise much soon, and similar stocks
have faded.

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