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To: Solon who wrote (26449)	5/28/2012 3:40:25 AM
From: Greg or e	1 Recommendation of 36579

"You're not queer, are you!" A typical response from an intellectually and morally bankrupt creep like you! S.E. Cupp and the Left’s Rape Rhetoric Posted By Arnold Ahlert On May 25, 2012 @ 12:20 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage \| 1 Comment For leftists, the war on conservative women has steadily devolved. The latest example of their malicious sexual attacks on women of the right involves Hustler publisher Larry Flynt. His porn magazine has published an obscene, sexually explicit photo-shopped picture of Glenn Beck TV (GBTV) host and conservative commentator S. E. Cupp. Why? “S.E. Cupp is a lovely young lady who read too much Ayn Rand in high school and ended up joining the dark side,” reads the paragraph under the photo. “Cupp, an author and media commentator who often shows up on Fox News programs, is undeniably cute. But her hotness is diminished when she espouses dumb ideas like defunding Planned Parenthood. Perhaps the method pictured here is Ms. Cupp’s suggestion for avoiding an unwanted pregnancy.” Flynt’s remedy for this uppity lady was to put “a [expletive] in her mouth” to shut her up. Such rape rhetoric is hardly an anomaly. In fact, the humiliation of conservative women through fantasized sexual violation and degradation seems to be growing at an alarming rate. The left’s message to women couldn’t be clearer: “gender equality” is reserved for only those women ideologically subservient to the liberal male. In 2009, Playboy Magazine published an execrable screed by writer Guy Cimbalo. His topic? 10 conservative women he’d like to “hate-fk.” Mr. Cimbalo’s reasoning? “But there is a way to reach across the aisle without letting principles fall by the wayside. We speak, naturally, of the hate fk. We may despise everything these women represent, but goddmmit they’re hot. Let the healing begin.” Cimbalo goes into detail. TownHall columnist Amanda Carpenter, “is a walking, talking Faustian fk bargain.” Syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin is a ‘”highly fuable Filipina” and a “Beelzebabe.” Fox News’* Megyn Kelly is also debased. “You need to flagellate your genitals for wanting to fk this woman.” Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who co-hosts’ “The View” is “the clean-cut American sweetheart who elicits our filthiest thoughts. Endlessly perky, this golden goddess probably has her Catholic school uniform still in the closet, and she wouldn’t mind putting it on before taking it off for a session of sweaty, anti-American hate fking.” Flynt and Cimbalo are hardly unique. Former Florida Congresswoman Katherine Harris who was at the center of the recount controversy in the 2000 presidential election, was repeatedly mocked by several leftists seemingly obsessed with her breasts. After a 2005 appearance on Fox’s Hannity & Colmes she was derided for “working her admittedly impressive twin assets to best advantage,” her “fake, bouncing breasts” and for really wanting to “accentuate her heaving bosom” during the interview. Moving up the political hierarchy, liberal Wisconsin radio host John “Sly” Sylvester sexually denigrated Republican lieutenant governor Rebecca Kleefisch, contending she performed “fellatio on all the talk-show hosts in Milwaukee” and had “pulled a train,” as in taking on a number sexual partners at the same time. First Ladies are fair game as well. In 2005, serial misogynist Bill Maher did a “comedy” bit about how the president has resumed drinking, during which he showed a doctored photo of Laura Bush with a black eye and a bandage over her eyebrow. The late Christopher Hitchens criticized Maher for it. “It must be to his credit he (the President) got Laura Bush to marry him. She’s an absolutely extraordinary woman,” said Hitchens. Maher’s response? “Oh, come on. That’s like Hitler’s dog loved him. That is the silliest reason…” Maher obviously has “issues” with conservative women. He has called former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin a “dumb twat” and a “c*t.” He also “joked” about former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum’s wife needing a vibrator. Such intellectual “prowess” is matched by Rolling Stone‘s Matt Taibbi, who wrote a column in which he imagined columnist Michelle Malkin narrating her pieces with a “big hairy set of balls in her mouth.” In a recent piece for National Review,* Malkin herself reveals that Taibbi’s misogyny is the tip of a rather large iceberg. “If I had a dollar for every time libs have called me a ‘Manila whore’ and ‘Subic Bay bar girl,’ I’d be able to pay for a ticket to a Hollywood-for-Obama fundraiser,” she writes. In the same piece Malkin also acknowledges an obvious reality: Sarah Palin is Target Number One when it comes to sexually abusing conservative women. Photoshopped pictures of her in a bikini have been published all over the web. A pornographic video starring porn actress Lisa Ann as Palin was released by Hustler with the title “Who’s Nailin’ Palin.” Leftist author Joe McGinniss literally moved next door to Palin in Alaska in order to write a book about her. “The Rogue” contains unsubstantiated gossip regarding Palin’s “fetish for black guys” and attempts to justify the leftist conspiracy theory that Trig is not really her son. “It is perhaps the most blistering assessment of her character possible that many Wasillans who’d known Sarah from high school onward told me that even if she had not faked the entire story of her pregnancy and Trig’s birth, it was something she was eminently capable of doing,” he writes. He amplifies his misogynistic efforts by characterizing Palin as a stripper who ”practices politics as lap dance, and we’re the suckers who pay the price. Members of our jaded national press corps eagerly stuff hundred dollar bills into her g-string, even as they wink at one another to show that they don’t take her seriously.” Such attacks were not limited to Palin herself. Breaking the unwritten rules that a candidate’s children are off limits, Palin’s daughters have been attacked as well. In 2009, liberal comedian David Letterman, who did a Top Ten list about a trip Palin took to New York that included “Bought makeup from Bloomingdale’s to update her ‘slutty flight attendant’ look,” took a shot at Palin’s then 14-year-old daughter, Willow, as well. “One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez,” said Letterman. Letterman’s fallback excuse? He was referring to Palin’s then 18-year-old daughter Bristol, which was apparently OK because Bristol had conceived a child out of wedlock. That would be the same Bristol Palin accused of being the “real mother” of Palin’s youngest son Trig by several leftists–with the exception of writer Andrew Sullivan who’s convinced Palin carried her Down’s Syndrome son to term to establish her bona fides with pro-life women. How unhinged is the left regarding conservative women in general and Sarah Palin in particular? Until Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren likely shamed him away, “comedian” Louis C.K. was scheduled to host the annual Radio and Television Correspondents’ Association dinner in Washington on June 8th. He has referred to Palin as a “retard making ct,” her son Trig as “the baby that just came out of her fking disgusting ct,” and offered up a fantasy about wanting “to rub my father’s ck all over Sarah Palin’s fat t*t.” Let’s be clear here. Misogynistic comments are are hardly limited to those on the left, as witnessed by radio show Rush Limbaugh’s recent reference to Georgetown student activist Sandra Fluke as a “slut.” But one is hard-pressed to find anything coming from the right remotely similar to the left’s seeming obsession with sexual violation* of women. Nor are both sides held to the same standard. When MSNBC’s Joe Schultz referred to conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham as a “right-wing slut,” there was no organized movement orchestrated by the right to drive him off the air as there was with Limbaugh’s leftist detractors. And while Bill Maher continues to push the envelope on abusiveness, he not only remains virtually immune from consequences, his one million dollar campaign contribution to Barack Obama’s re-election remains unreturned by the same administration that has castigated both Republicans and Catholics for their war on women. The sexual degradation of S.E. Cupp and other conservative women is no accident. Few things threaten the leftist template more than successful, highly visible women who eschew the twin pillars of feminist philosophy regarding casual sex and unrestricted abortion that remained unchallenged for decades. That philosophy is being challenged now, and Hustler represents the latest backlash to that challenge. Yet when one is forced to figuratively rape one’s ideological opponents to score political points, the bankruptcy of one’s ideological argument becomes ever more apparent. Hustler publisher Larry Flynt rationalized his magazine’s detestable behavior. “That’s satire. I’m able to publish this because of the Supreme Court case I won in 1984, Flynt v. Falwell,” he said. That was the battle. Conservative women, no doubt buttressed by a Gallup poll showing near-record low support for the pro-choice agenda, may be winning the war. Freedom Center pamphlets now available on Kindle: Click here. Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com URL to article: http://frontpagemag.com/2012/05/25/s-e-cupp-and-the-lefts-rape-rhetoric/

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To: Solon who wrote (26508)	5/28/2012 4:12:37 AM
From: Greg or e	1 Recommendation of 36579

Why I don't use my real name on SI anymore. Creeps like Solon and Ponokee Solon: He (Greg) used to use his real name on SI. He also has a blog which he has since removed information from. Ponokee and I knew him for years and know lots of things about him--although I've never met the Scumbag Piece of Shit. Next time I'm in his neighborhood I am going to drop into his church and show them a portfolio of his posts to me. I have already printed out the libelous ones from the last month. I want them to know what a Low Life Piece of Shit is in their congregation and working with their kids. Ponoke: Send a copy to his wifes workplace! Solon: I will do that. I will also contact (his kids school) the Bert Church and Brass Compositions and all that shit going back for decades. All public information. He said he was President...What a laugh! A scumbag like him??? I will also leave the portfolio of posts at the local police station with prior advisement through connections... F--K that low-life SCUMBAG! What he has been doing here is as low as a F--K UP Dirt Bag can get. .............................................................................................. Interviewing Robert Stacy McCain About Brett Kimberlin Written By : John Hawkins Robert Stacy McCain, who blogs at RWN on occasion, has become a story himself this week. After reporting on “Speedway Bomber” Brett Kimberlin, Stacy announced to the world that Kimberlin had been in touch with his wife’s employer and that he had moved his family out of their house as a result. Quite naturally, this caught people’s attention — and that was before this article from Patterico came out today credibly alleging that Kimberlin and his allies had engaged in harassment that included having a SWAT team called to his house. So, I got in touch with Stacy on Wednesday night, set up an impromptu interview, and what follows is the transcript of our roughly 30 minute long conversation, which was edited down for brevity’s sake. Can you sum up what Kimberlin did to Aaron Worthing, in say 60 seconds or so, to give people an idea of what first drew your attention to Brett Kimberlin? Aaron Worthing agreed to give some legal assistance to Seth Allen when Kimberlin sued Seth Allen for harassment. Worthing was in a court appearance on behalf of Allen in a Virginia court and Kimberlin was using his iPad to take a picture of Worthing, whose actual name is Aaron Walker, in contradiction of court rules. You can’t do photography in a court like that. So Worthing snatched the iPad out of Kimberlin’s hands and then Kimberlin claimed that Worthing had assaulted him. Worthing says that basically what Kimberlin was trying to do was to find grounds to frame him for an assault charge. Subsequently, as a result of Kimberlin’s obsession with Aaron Worthing and his continual harassment and stalking of Aaron Worthing, Worthing lost his day job as did his wife because Kimberlin contacted his wife’s employer. When a convicted terrorist bomber contacts somebody’s employer, people get scared. This kind of intimidation is what Kimberlin is using. How did you get involved in the Brett Kimberlin case? Thursday morning I was making preparations to go cover the G8 Summit at Camp David, 15 miles from my house. The Occupy protestors were going to be there and it was a chance to get out and cover some news live on the street, in person, the way I like to do it. That morning I saw a friend of mine re-tweet Aaron Worthing about this in a way that made me realize that what he had must be something significant. So I clicked over to that and it was 28,000 words. I started reading through it and saw the name Neal Rauhauser. Neal Rauhauser is the Democratic Party consultant who has described himself as a hacker. So for him to be involved in Aaron Worthing’s case was significant as news. I had never heard the name Brett Kimberlin until Thursday morning. My first post was about how Neal Rauhauser was connected to Brett Kimberlin, who is a convicted felon. Then after I posted that, people began sending me more information about who Brett Kimberlin is and what he’s been involved in and I began to dig. One of the people who was crucial to helping me figure out what was going on was Matthew Vadum, an investigative journalist who is perhaps the nation’s leading authority on ACORN. Matthew Vadum got me the information on the funding of Brett Kimberlin’s 501c3 Justice Through Music project and I published that and started looking for more. Thursday night a sock puppet account for a site that is what I’ve started to refer to as “not Brett Kimberlin”… Is it the Breitbart site? Yeah, it’s Breitbart Unmasked. I thought that was it. Sock puppets started tweeting me and Patterico and Aaron Worthing were cc’d on the same messages that were coming to me. …So I got into a colloquy with this Breitbart Unmasked and asked if he was Brett Kimberlin. The sock puppet denied it. .. I’m a reporter, so I had to get that denial on the record. …I said to the sock puppet, “Well if you’re not Brett Kimberlin, you don’t mind if I say this. If you’re not Brett Kimberlin, you don’t mind if I say that.” I said, “You’re a convicted felon” and that enraged the sock puppet, which made me think that, of course, this sock puppet was lying and it’s Brett Kimberlin. Julia, the Obama-Tot@AceofSpadesHQ 17 May 12 @EvanPokroy @BenHowe @TeriChristoph I've read it. Not sure I'm "doing" it exactly. Doing parts of it. Robert Stacy McCain@rsmccain[iframe class=twt-follow-button src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=rsmccain&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameBorder=0 allowTransparency scrolling=no][/iframe] @AceofSpadesHQ @EvanPokroy @BenHowe @TeriChristoph LOOK WHAT @vadum FOUND! capitalresearch.org/2012/05/nonpro… SOROS! STREISAND! HEINZ-KERRY! #tcot 17 May 12 Reply Retweet Favorite Robert Stacy McCain@rsmccain[iframe class=twt-follow-button src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=rsmccain&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameBorder=0 allowTransparency scrolling=no][/iframe] #tcot Convicted Terrorist Brett Kimberlin Received $70,000 From Tides Foundation ... (MORE) theothermccain.com/2012/05/17/con… 17 May 12 Reply Retweet Favorite AndrewBreitbart ? @AndrewBreitbart[iframe class=twt-follow-button src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=AndrewBreitbart&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameBorder=0 allowTransparency scrolling=no][/iframe] Neal Rauhauser (@weoccupyamerica), Brad Friedman ( @TheBradBlog) & their convicted domestic terrorist pal, Brett Kimberlin need exposure. 18 Oct 11 Reply Retweet Favorite BreitbartUnmasked@BreitbartUnmask 17 May 12 @rsmccain @AaronWorthing @Dust92 @michellemalkin @Patterico Indeed. Don't mess with the best. Don't buy Walkers cheap lies either. Robert Stacy McCain@rsmccain[iframe class=twt-follow-button src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=rsmccain&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameBorder=0 allowTransparency scrolling=no][/iframe] Is @BreitbartUnmask Brett Kimberlin? @AaronWorthing @Patterico 17 May 12 Reply Retweet Favorite BreitbartUnmasked@BreitbartUnmask 17 May 12 @rsmccain @AaronWorthing @Patterico yes. Denied. It's well known that Brett doesn't blog post or tweet. First I was Neal, then Brett. No clu Robert Stacy McCain@rsmccain[iframe class=twt-follow-button src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=rsmccain&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameBorder=0 allowTransparency scrolling=no][/iframe] Why is @BreitbartUnmask so interested in KImberlin v. Walker, etc.? breitbartunmasked.com/thugs/aaron-ju… [] COINCIDENCE, MAYBE?. @AaronWorthing @Patterico 17 May 12 Reply Retweet Favorite Robert Stacy McCain@rsmccain 17 May 12 #tcot BRETT KIMBERLIN IS A CONVICTED TERRORIST indystar.com/assets/pdf/BG1…RT @BreitbartUnmask Jefferson and Emerson eh? BreitbartUnmasked@BreitbartUnmask[iframe class=twt-follow-button src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=BreitbartUnmask&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameBorder=0 allowTransparency scrolling=no][/iframe] @rsmccain someone should piss on Breitbart's grave. There is another quote for you Stacy girl. Piss all over his old dead bones lol. 17 May 12 Reply Retweet Favorite (Hawkins’ Note: One thing I found to be EXTREMELY interesting in looking back through these tweets is that I realized Nadia Naffe, who went to court and made some extremely dubious claims about James O’Keefe based on almost nothing, is connected to Ron Brynaert, who’s tied in with Brett Kimberlin. Her twitter account is also one of only 215 people following @BreitbartUnmask. Given the type of tactics that Kimberlin and his allies use, that really throws up some ENORMOUS red flags about the veracity of her allegations against O’Keefe.) You wrote about the whole thing, you contacted someone you believe to be Kimberlin on Twitter. Then what happened next? What was the next thing? Monday afternoon, my wife came in and informed me Kimberlin had been in contact with her employer. It was evident then and has since become more evident that Kimberlin knew where we lived. His contact with my wife’s employer resulted in a security alert as soon as they found out who this guy was and they recognized the implicit threat. Was there anything threatening that he said to your wife’s employer or was there just… I don’t know… You don’t know? I don’t know what he said to my wife’s employer. This is privileged information that was not shared with me because of their policies. All I know is that basically that my presence in Maryland was resulting in a perceived danger to others and furthermore, that if I was to continue reporting this story I couldn’t do it from Maryland. Because why? You thought it would put the family in danger or her work? Well, the story is a little bit complicated and can be told in depth once the truck is loaded up and moved to Beverly. We still have to finish moving out of our house. My wife has to finish out her work agreement. The situation is delicate. You’re not going back to your house over this? I’m in an undisclosed location out of Maryland and it has to do with two or three different things. But they’re all related to Brett Kimberlin, right? Exactly…Brett Kimberlin knows where I live; it’s an implicit threat. You can look at Brett Kimberlin’s record as a convicted terrorist. He conspired to kill the prosecuting attorney and at least one key witness in the case against him. That’s according to the Indianapolis Star. You can look it up. You know these are facts that are unrefuted. When someone like that indicates that they know where you live, the threat is implicit. I’m not going to be there anymore. I mean we’re gone. We’re history. We’re out of there. Two quick questions. One, do you feel there is an actual threat on your lives? I am not concerned about my life. I’ll put it to you that way. Do you think there is a chance you could be sued if you stay there? Yes, we know that Brett Kimberlin’s habit is to file nuisance lawsuits in an attempt to silence his critics. This is what he did with Seth Allen. He has this pattern of legal harassment and employment workplace harassment. Patterico AKA Patrick Frey has also had this sort of legal and workplace harassment against him. Obviously Aaron Worthing has had it. So I saw what was coming. Remember the five most important words in the English language are “Hit the freaking tip jar!” Well Stacy, you’re kind of in transition now, but once you settle somewhere again, the guy will be able to sue you if he wants to, right? What’s the plan there? This is just a hunch, okay, I’m not making any accusations, but my suspicion is that the end of this story is Brett Kimberlin goes back to prison. You think so? People with experience in non-profit work; accountants and people like that have looked at the form 990s for his two non-profits and they are extremely suspicious. These are not accusations I make. I’m telling you what people have told me. …Enabling a convicted felon to pursue a strategy of harassment and intimidation against people who report his criminal history is obviously not an activity that is a tax exempt purpose. …Brett Kimberlin has been called a top flight con artist and a world-class liar. He was convicted of perjury before he ever graduated high school. …That a person like this should be entrusted as the director of a 501c3 non-profit boggles the mind. I agree. Sources have told me that Capitol Hill staffers have been briefed about the background on the Kimberlin case. By the way, these briefings happened before I had ever heard of Brett Kimberlin. People have been looking at this for a long time and trying to figure out, you know, what’s going on here. I studied psychology, John, and I think that any student of psychology would have to conclude that Brett Kimberlin is a classic sociopath. One of the things that a sociopath always does is to accuse others of doing what he has done. This is a narcissistic reflex reaction of scapegoating onto others his own problems and we have seen this in Brett Kimberlin’s actions. Among other things, he accused Mandy Nagy, Liberty Chick at Breitbart.com, of being part of a conspiracy to kill him — the convicted terror bomber accusing this girl of trying to kill him. It’s just crazy. He had hoped to avoid scrutiny and now he’s in a white hot spotlight. I think that when all the facts are known, the end of this story is Brett Kimberlin goes back to prison. That’s my belief and I’m entitled to my belief. Thanks for you time, Stacy.

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To: Greg or e who wrote (26509)	5/28/2012 7:17:41 AM
From: Solon	1 Recommendation of 36579

Once again, this discussion is not about our families. I have said nothing about adultery other than that your gratuitous use of Rand's love interest did not discredit her philosophy no more than Wilde's homosexuality diminishes his art criticism or his "Picture of Dorian Gray". The philosophy of Objectivism does not rise or fall because of who Rand loved Franklin's som, William was a product of fornication. He then married a married woman (Deborah Read). Biographies of Franklin note many affairs. But his 13 virtues are very inspiring: sfheart.com 1. TEMPERANCE. Eat not to dullness; drink not to elevation. 2. SILENCE. Speak not but what may benefit others or yourself; avoid trifling conversation. 3. ORDER. Let all your things have their places; let each part of your business have its time. 4. RESOLUTION. Resolve to perform what you ought; perform without fail what you resolve. 5. FRUGALITY. Make no expense but to do good to others or yourself; i.e., waste nothing. 6. INDUSTRY. Lose no time; be always employ'd in something useful; cut off all unnecessary actions. 7. SINCERITY. Use no hurtful deceit; think innocently and justly, and, if you speak, speak accordingly. 8. JUSTICE. Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty. 9. MODERATION. - Avoid extreams; forbear resenting injuries so much as you think they deserve. 10. CLEANLINESS. - Tolerate no uncleanliness in body, cloaths, or habitation. 11.TRANQUILLITY - Be not disturbed at trifles, or at accidents common or unavoidable. 12. CHASTITY. Rarely use venery but for health or offspring, never to dulness, weakness, or the injury of your own or another's peace or reputation. 13. HUMILITY. Imitate Jesus and Socrates. The sleeping arrangements you make with your wife are your business., If you have a mistress or two (as millions of people do) it is their business. Clinton, Hyde, Gingrich, Kennedy, Jefferson, Cleveland, Hamilton...blah, blah, blah. Are you excited yet??

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To: Greg or e who wrote (26513)	5/28/2012 7:29:15 AM
From: Solon	1 Recommendation of 36579

"Clearly you have no confidence in your opinions to have any value in the real world. I have not insulted your wife" I have complete confidence in my opinions. I believe (with complete and utter confidence) that you are an asshole. You turned my point that your reference to Rand's love interest was gratuitous and irrelevant into the suggestion that I personally cheated on MY wife.. Your game is an old one which you have played on SI for a dozen years: years in which you have made me a murderer, a pedophile, a pederast, a rapist, a wife beater--and on and on and on. Every discussion you twist around to involve me...in which you then grab peanut butter from your ass and fling it around like a child--hoping it will stick somewhere. You are a Sick Freak!

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To: Greg or e who wrote (26514)	5/28/2012 7:37:10 AM
From: Solon	1 Recommendation of 36579

He (Greg) used to use his real name on SI. Totally True He also has a blog which he has since removed information from. Totally True Ponokee and I knew him for years (from his blog and from posting on SI) and know lots of things about him Totally True although I've never met the Scumbag Piece of Shit. Totally True I have never met him. Next time I'm in his neighborhood I am going to drop into his church and show them a portfolio of his posts to me. I have already printed out the libelous ones from the last month. Totally True You posted several hundred libellous posts. I want them to know what a Low Life Piece of Shit is in their congregation and working with their kids. Totally True But SI penalized me for speaking so frankly to you. And years later, you still blubber and whine and blubber and whine, making everybody nauseous. Now put on a pair of pants and get over it, SCUM BAG!!

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To: Solon who wrote (26515)	5/28/2012 7:58:02 AM
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Wasn't this the same fellow that was just berating others to stay ontopic ? As far as topic at hand did gweegy ever admit to accepting the geologic age of the earth or is that something just too hard to discuss? Could it possibly have something to do with that admission later coming back to haunt his chances for the afterlife ? Held against him on the day of judgment to admit to such an obvious thing ? Here we see how the "love" preached in religion is often just a masque for fear and the rest of time spent on finding any other imaginary dragons to slay, which in this case would be you solon , at least we know you are real ! Beetlejuice , Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!!! Its hard to determine which are more entertaining drag~queens or religious drama~queens who never manage to stay on topic ( hiding the fact they have really nothing real to say ?) One asks people often what do you believe as far as God & Religion goes , most often people will begin by saying "i was raised such & such" which says little about their belief but alot about the source & shallow depth for most human beliefs . Maybe they don't see any need to know a significance of light taveling at 186,000m/p/s (or 700mil m/p/h ) and just our own galaxy is 120,000 light yrs across , so maybe the earth is just 5,000yrs old as they say but wherever that source of light we are seeing in telescopes from across the galaxy is certainly 120,000yrs old. The time that light flies is just so specific & unchanging , finitely measured ... (Farthest light source detected to date is some 4bil light yrs away in time )

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