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To: Greg or e who wrote (25639)5/3/2012 2:31:56 AM
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Something really touched a nerve apparently , your ranting again & again & again ...what was also mentioned immediately after were references to the Anglo & northern Euros not just Italians . And why is it that the US has such a bad reputation in the world again ?
Just love to hear your analysis ...

Why is it that God was so depicted for so long in the image of man & not the other way around , that was the gist of the post , whether Italian , English , German , Dane or Swede this was the imagined idea for centuries .

Men create gods in their own image , this is elementary & clearly shown by the depiction below an idea the Greeks started to catch onto as they saw it was their own projections into the Gods they worshipped , who were displaying all their own vanities , wisdom, & foilbles, a grand collection of fantasy of men's imagination .

Spoken with him recently have you ? Or just a cheerleader in the rooting section ?


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To: Greg or e who wrote (25639)5/3/2012 2:45:15 AM
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Forbes Thought Of The Day: “ A false enchantment can all too easily last a lifetime. ”
— W.H. Auden

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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (25641)5/3/2012 6:25:01 AM
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I would rather be happy than right any day but the fact is our little couch potato Christian is not happy or right as witnessed by his diatribe here.

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To: Greg or e who wrote (25639)5/3/2012 1:12:41 PM
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Some people like to gamble,
But you, you always lose.
Some people like to rock 'n' roll,
you're always singin' the blues.

You gotta nasty disposition.
No one really knows the reason why,
You gotta bad bad reputation.
Gonna hang your head down and cry...

chorus:

You got bad, bad luck.
Bad, bad luck.
You got bad, bad luck.
Bad, bad luck.

Thirteen's my lucky number,
To you it means stay inside.
Black cat done crossed my path,
No reason to run and hide.

You're looking through a cracked mirror.
No one really knows the reason why.
Your enemies are gettin' nearer.
Gonna hang down your head and cry....

chorus:

You got bad, bad luck.
Bad, bad luck.
You got bad, bad luck.
Bad, bad luck.

Some people go to church on Sundays,
others they pray at home.
You tell them that there ain't no God,
that they're better off standin' alone.

You're always scratchin' at the eight ball,
No one really knows the reason why.
You get to the top and then you fall,
Gonna hang down your head and cry.

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From: Brumar895/3/2012 2:02:08 PM
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Another Key Evidence For Evolution is Getting Squashed





A new paper out of Germany on the evolution of animal embryos reveals yet again the typical trajectory of evolution’s treatment of the science. Evidence that is barely understood is declared to confirm powerfully evolution. Then, years later, when science looks under the hood and uncovers the incredible details, the mismatch between the data and the theory becomes more clear. At that point the evidence, rather than confirming the theory, is interpreted according to the theory. Rather than the evidence explaining the theory, it is the theory that is explaining the evidence, no matter how awkward. In the end the evidence is contorted every which way in order to serve the theory of evolution. All of this must be presented with great care to avoid any sign of trouble:

There is a remarkable similarity in the appearance of groups of animal species during periods of their embryonic development. This classic observation has long been viewed as an emphatic realization of the principle of common descent.
In other words, before discussing evolution in the light of new scientific evidence, which inevitably makes evolution look bad, one first must give the secret handshake—a proclamation indicating that evolution is unquestionably true and good, and that all the evidential contradictions you are about to discuss will be force-fit into the evolutionary doctrine.

Despite the importance of embryonic conservation as a unifying concept, models seeking to predict and explain different patterns of conservation have remained in contention.
Now you are free to openly discuss the evidence which, in fact, never did support evolution as much as evolutionists claimed. In fact,

Here, we focus on early embryonic development and discuss several lines of evidence, from recent molecular data, through developmental networks to life-history strategies, that indicate that early animal embryos are not highly conserved.
with the inexorable march of scientific progress, the contradictions always monotonically increase with time.

Bringing this evidence together, we argue that the nature of early development often reflects adaptation to diverse ecological niches. Finally, we synthesize old and new ideas to propose a model that accounts for the evolutionary process by which embryos have come to be conserved.
And so new evolutionary just-so stories are badly needed to replace the old ones that fared so poorly.

von Baer’s observations, and in particular his third law, provided foundational evidence supporting Darwin’s theory of common descent.
See, it wasn’t just an English idea. The Germans also want some credit for the idea that took over the world, even if that idea requires an endless supply of just-so stories to fend off the evidential onslaught.

In fact evolutionists now must believe that those random mutations regularly produce embryological do-overs, without altering the adult form. This, to explain the evidence which is that sister species are often found to have very different development patterns.





As the figure shows, evolutionists have had to construct ever more elaborate just-so stories to explain the supposed evolution of embryonic development.

Confusion abounds and the evolutionists conclude, contra the traditional evolution view, that given the early embryo of an animal species, it would be possible to infer “comparatively little about its evolutionary trajectory.” That once powerful evidence that Darwin and the evolutionists proclaimed is now in the crowded dustbin of evolutionary proofs.



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To: Brumar89 who wrote (25644)5/3/2012 2:17:55 PM
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Darwin-Doubting Doctor Joseph Kuhn Replies to Unsophisticated Criticisms in Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings

Casey Luskin
May 2, 2012 9:26 PM



Back in January we covered a paper, " Dissecting Darwinism", in Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings. The author, Joseph Kuhn, is a medical doctor and researcher in Baylor University Medical Center's Department of Surgery. Kuhn's paper was critical of biological and chemical evolution based upon geochemical, biochemical, genetic, and fossil evidence. The journal has now offered print-space to critics, but also kindly allowed Dr. Kuhn the opportunity to reply (at least, to some of the critics). The responses to Kuhn, however, show the unsophisticated and outdate nature of many arguments for evolution that exist in the minds of many pro-evolution scientists.

The primary response to Kuhn was a paper by Gregory G. Dimijian, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School. Dimijian's rebuttal takes up more print-space than the journal originally gave to Dr. Kuhn. Dimijian's rebuttal, though respectfully written, uses many common weak and unsophisticated arguments for evolution and overstatements of the evidence:
  • Dimijian opens his article with the statement that, "Evolutionary theory has never had a stronger scientific foundation than it does today." He cites "the deep commitment of today's biologists to Darwinian natural selection and to discoveries made since Darwin's time." Ironically, Darwinian natural selection is under attack in the mainstream biological literature perhaps more today than it has been in many decades. We recently covered some of these critics of natural selection here. As journalist Susan Mazur observed after interviewing many scientists about the Altenberg 16 conference, there are "hundreds of other evolutionary scientists (non-creationists) who contend that natural selection is politics, not science, and that we are in a quagmire because of staggering commercial investment in a Darwinian industry built on an inadequate theory." 1 Likewise, Joseph Kuhn observes, "over 800 PhD scientists have signed a letter stating their concerns about the full scope of Darwinian evolution."


  • Dimijian cites the classic icon of evolution, the Galápagos finches, stating: "There is no contender for causation other than natural selection." But no Darwin-critic has ever stated otherwise. In fact, it seems likely that natural selection is a real force affecting the Galápagos finches, but its effects have been trivial. As Robert J. Whittaker's treatise Island Biogeography states, "it is extremely difficult to identify all the [Galápagos] finches, as the largest members of some species are almost indistinguishable from the smallest members of others." 2 Dimijian suggests the finches represent "fast-track evolution," even though a paper in BioScience notes that the finches "retain the ability to interbreed and produce viable, fertile hybrids" -- after millions of years of evolution! 3


  • He cites animal breeding experiments as supposedly demonstrating the power of natural selection, but fails to note the limits encountered by breeders. As the textbook Explore Evolution explains:
    For the critic, the question is not whether sheep can become woollier sheep; the question is whether sheep can eventually become sheepdogs... or horses... or camels. In other words, can natural selection transform one form of life into a fundamentally different form of life? ... Critics say that the experimental evidence reveals definite, discoverable limits on what artificial selection can do. They point out that animal breeders hit limits all the time. Breeders have tried for decades to produce a chicken that will lay more than one egg per day. They have failed. Horse breeders have not significantly increased the running speed of thoroughbreds, despite more than 70 years of trying. Darwin's theory requires that species have an immense capacity to change, but the evidence from breeding experiments shows that there are definite limits to how much a species can change, even when intelligent agents (the breeders) are doing the selection intentionally, trying to maximize certain traits. 4
  • Dimijian offers other unimpressive evidence like the "eyes in some cave-dwelling fishes," so-called "vestigial genes," antibiotic resistance, or what he calls "hundreds of fossils of feathered dinosaurs." But he makes no mention of scientific debates over these claims, with functions being discovered for pseudogenes and ERVs, and evidence that "feathered dinosaurs" are really secondarily flightless birds. Nor does he seem to be aware that no Darwin-skeptic disputes the evidence of blind-eyed cave fish. Instead, skeptics observe that these loss-of-function examples are well-within the edge of evolution. Dimijian makes no mention that antibiotic resistance entails trivial genetic changes and often comes at a cost to fitness .


  • He gives simplistic, speculative arguments like "The transition from scales to feathers may have hinged on a relatively simple genetic switch," even though the scales-to-feathers hypothesis has been abandoned by leading evolutionary theorists. He cites Tiktaalik, claiming, "Play the fossil frames in a movie sequence and you see the emergence of fishes onto land," failing to note the large morphological gap between fishes like Tiktaalik and true tetrapods, and failing also to note that some of the "fossil frames" -- like true tetrapods that predate Tiktaalik -- are badly out-of-order.


  • He tries to solve the enigma of the Cambrian explosion by citing molecular clock data showing an ancient origin of animals -- though an accurate understanding of this data simply shows that living animals have a much larger degree of genetic differences than allowed by the fossil record. In any event, molecular clock data is highly controversial. As Joseph Kuhn wrote in response to another one of his critics:

    [M]olecular clocks have been shown to be a variable and unsteady process, requiring a host of assumptions that are not widely accepted, including the assumption that the organisms are related in the first place. As one paper in Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences recognized, "The second area where molecules and morphology are in serious disagreement concerns the origins of the metazoan phyla. . . . The discord between the two for the animal phyla may be as much as 500 million years," and concluded, "the idea that there is a universal molecular clock ticking away has long since been discredited." A 2006 article in Biological Therapy stated that a "review of the history on molecular systematics and its claims in the context of molecular biology reveals that there is no basis to the 'molecular assumption.'" Moreover, molecular clocks simply assume that any genetic similarity results from common ancestry; they do not demonstrate that is the case. My article indicated that there are paleontologists who feel strongly that the fossil data do not fully support Darwinian evolution. As Nature editor Henry Gee commented, "To take a line of fossils and claim that they represent a lineage is not a scientific hypothesis that can be tested, but an assertion that carries the same validity as a bedtime story -- amusing, perhaps even instructive, but not scientific." Thus, the fossil data remain controversial based on abrupt formation of species, less-than-convincing missing links (transitional species), and variable and assumption-laden conclusions of molecular clocks. (internal citations removed)
  • Dimijian recapitulates the standard story of human origins, failing to note the large morphological gap between human-like and ape-like species in the fossil record, and recounts the highly disputed Savannah grassland hypothesis for the origin of human bipedalism.


You could go on and on. The bottom line is that Dimijian's article is a recapitulation of many standard simplistic icons of evolution. He fails to give readers any idea of the many counterarguments and objections to the evidence he raises. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't even aware of them--it's been my experience many evolutionary scientists have only ever heard one side of the evidence, and are not well-informed about the counter-arguments to their position.

To his credit, however, Dr. Dimijian was respectful in his arguments. Unfortunately, some of the other respondents to Dr. Kuhn were not so respectful.

C. Richard Boland of Baylor University Medical Center accuses Dr. Kuhn of offering a "rambling narrative." Boland himself takes an evolution-of-the-gaps approach and states, "It's a fool's errand to make a case that anything is permanently beyond human comprehension." His letter is full of errors. Boland claims the Miller-Urey experiments "provided hard evidence that complex compounds could evolve from simple ones in the soup," but even Stanley Miller wouldn't say that. Miller admitted that all they produced were monomers, not complex compounds. As an article in Discover Magazine stated:

Even Miller throws up his hands at certain aspects of it. The first step, making the monomers, that's easy. We understand it pretty well. But then you have to make the first self-replicating polymers. That's very easy, he says, the sarcasm fairly dripping. Just like it's easy to make money in the stock market -- all you have to do is buy low and sell high. He laughs. Nobody knows how it's done. 5
Boland makes the further unsophisticated argument that "Given enough time (and most scientists estimate that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old), it is not surprising that somewhere in the primordial soup of our planet, a variety of complex compounds would spontaneously form" or "given immense amounts of time, and the huge 'test tube' involved, some of the RNA precursors would eventually polymerize into ever larger macromolecules with self-replicating ability in the RNA world. It's not that complicated." This is much like the prior respondent to Dr. Kuhn who asserted, "I suspect that there has been time enough for evolution, no matter how complex." Such arguments fail on many levels.

In particular, there isn't unlimited time available for the origin of life. Stephen Jay Gould explains that the time available for the origin of life is not vast and unending, but extremely limited: "Since the oldest dated rocks, the Isua Supracrustals of West Greenland, are 3.8 billion years old, we are left with very little time between the development of suitable conditions for life on the earth's surface and the origin of life." 6 Joseph Kuhn observes in response to Boland:

[M]odern geochemists doubt that a "primordial soup" existed. He made the mistake that origin-of-life researcher David Abel warned against: "Mere possibility is not an adequate basis for asserting scientific plausibility," and "just because a hypothesis is possible should not grant that hypothesis scientific respectability." In this case, the odds of producing a self-replicating RNA molecule go beyond the available probabilistic resources. (internal citations removed)
Indeed, there are significant barriers even to the polymerization of amino acids into polymers. Because the process generates water, it won't tend to occur in an aqueous environment like a prebiotic soup or a hydrothermal vent. As the U.S. National Academy of Sciences (NAS) observes: "In water, the assembly of nucleosides from component sugars and nucleobases, the assembly of nucleotides from nucleosides and phosphate, and the assembly of oligonucleotides from nucleotides are all thermodynamically uphill in water. Two amino acids do not spontaneously join in water. Rather, the opposite reaction is thermodynamically favored at any plausible concentrations: polypeptide chains spontaneously hydrolyze in water, yielding their constituent amino acids."

Given such constraints, some scientists are not so optimistic that RNA could arise on the primordial earth. To mention one of many problems, origin-of-life theorist Robert Shapiro observes:

Nucleotides, for example, are not encountered in nature beyond organisms or laboratory synthesis. To construct RNA, high concentrations of four select nucleotides would be needed in the same location, with others being excluded. If this is the prerequisite for life, then it is an unusual phenomenon, rare in the Universe. 7
Here is Shapiro interviewed on the subject by James Urquhart:

However, Robert Shapiro, professor emeritus of chemistry at New York University disagrees. "Although as an exercise in chemistry this represents some very elegant work, this has nothing to do with the origin of life on Earth whatsoever," he says. According to Shapiro, it is hard to imagine RNA forming in a prebiotic world along the lines of Sutherland's synthesis. "The chances that blind, undirected, inanimate chemistry would go out of its way in multiple steps and use of reagents in just the right sequence to form RNA is highly unlikely," argues Shapiro. Instead, he advocates the metabolism-first argument: that early self-sustaining autocatalytic chemosynthetic systems associated with amino acids predated RNA. 8
Boland merely asserts that self-replicating RNA strands could arise by unguided natural processes, but Kuhn observes in response:

Although newspapers and high school biology texts often assert (without providing detail) an RNA-world hypothesis, there are strongly dissenting scientists who argue that the essential RNA polymerase enzyme does not form by itself. Stephen Meyer listed additional insurmountable obstacles to an RNA first hypothesis: 1) the inability to account for the necessary nucleotides or ribose molecules (they don't form spontaneously), 2) the nonfunctional early ribosome, 3) the nonexistent RNA translation and coding system, and 4) the origin of the inherent genetic information. He specifically stated, "RNA-first theories, like their predecessors, had failed to explain the central question of the origin of the 'information' that living cells require." (internal citations omitted)
Another critic, evolutionary biologist Dennis Hansen at the University of Zurich, states: "If the sadly misguided Dr. Kuhn had bothered to thoroughly read some of the many real scientific references he cites . . . , especially the landmark court ruling Kitzmiller v. Dover, he would have found that all his presented 'evidence' against evolution by natural selection has been thoroughly debunked by real scientists time and time again." Hansen attacks Kuhn as a "religious creationist." Of course Kitzmiller v. Dover ruling was full of scientific errors, as we've explained in the past here, here, or here. Hansen seems to take whatever Judge Jones said as gospel truth, being more interested in name-calling than critically investigating the arguments. Kuhn writes in response to Hansen:
Dr. Hansen chose to use ad hominem arguments, charging that I am a "religious creationist." His attacks are inaccurate, and any aspersions to my religion are irrelevant, as I did not make any theological arguments. I am just a surgeon with experience in molecular medicine and with respect for objective scientific inquiry.
Finally, Charles E. Jones of the University of Pittsburgh writes a letter calling Kuhn "breathtakingly ignorant of basic facts," because the Cambrian explosion supposedly took "at least 20 to 30 million years." In fact, much scientific literature backs up Dr. Kuhn's claim that it was much shorter:
  • Robert Carroll stated in the leading journal Trends in Ecology and Evolution that "within less then 10 million years, almost all of the advanced phyla appeared, including echinoderms, chordates, annelids, brachiopods, molluscs and a host of arthropods. The extreme speed of anatomical change and adaptive radiation during this brief time period requires explanations that go beyond those proposed for the evolution of species within the modern biota." 9


  • Likewise, an article in the journal Development by three Cambrian explosion experts explains that, "The Cambrian explosion is named for the geologically sudden appearance of numerous metazoan body plans (many of living phyla) between about 530 and 520 million years ago, only 1.7% of the duration of the fossil record of animals." 10



  • Another article in a major evolution journal states that "recent geological investigations suggest that the Cambrian explosion may have occurred within a period of only 5-10 million years." 11


It seems Kuhn wasn't so ignorant of the facts after all. Nonetheless, in response to Jones, Kuhn remains respectful, writing:

[Jones] is incorrect in his assessment of the current state of affairs regarding prebiotic molecules research. I would acknowledge an enormous amount of modern research into molecular chemistry, hydrothermal vents, lipid formation, and many aspects of prebiotic science. But many of these ideas have problems. To take hydrothermal vents, for one, they would serve as a poor location for the origin of life to take place since their high heat would quickly degrade any organic molecules. As William Dembski noted, "Most of origin-of-life research is as relevant to the real problem of life's origin as rubber-band powered propeller model planes are to the military's most sophisticated stealth aircraft." In other words, there is not a single paper that has demonstrated the autoformation of DNA, RNA, or a functioning cell.
In conclusion, Joseph Kuhn's exchange with critics in Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings is highly instructive as a window into the minds of many pro-evolution scientists. Because Kuhn expressed skepticism of neo-Darwinian evolution, he faced personal attacks and accusations of ignorance in print in a scientific journal. Moreover, the evidence cited to rebut Kuhn typically consists of long-challenged icons of evolution, and unsophisticated arguments. Kuhn's opponents simply assert that "given immense amounts of time," essentially anything can happen.

But such assertions are not enough. As we've seen, one needs to test the available probabilistic resources and not simply assume that there is always enough time for alleged evolutionary processes to do the job. Kuhn was correct to cite increasing evidence in the scientific literature challenging biological and chemical evolution. As he wrote in response to one critic:

The articles I cited are from mainstream scientific sources. Some Darwinists have a certain degree of indoctrination that makes it difficult for them to accept papers that are critical of their "paradigm." These papers have raised specific concerns about the ability of Darwinian evolution to explain (a) the origin of DNA, (b) the origin of the cell, and (c) the inability of irreducibly complex systems to form in a step-by-step fashion.
This debate is complex, and the exchange in Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings covers many topics. Joseph Kuhn was able to sustain a dialogue with his critics at an impressive level, discussing a wide variety of issues. But Kuhn's critics did not do so well. When informed critics of neo-Darwinism get involved in the debate, the average Darwin-defender is likely to learn that the evidence is not what he thought it was.

Kuhn replied to his critics with respect and by citing many up-to-date discussions of the evidence. Let's hope that he was able to convince some open-minded readers that there is evidence challenging biological and chemical evolution after all.

References:

[1.] Susan Mazur, The Altenberg 16: An Exposé of the Evolution Industry, p. 55 (North Atlantic Books 2010).
[2.] Robert J. Whittaker, Island Biogeography: Ecology, Evolution, and Conservation, p. 96 (Oxford University Press, 1998) (internal citations removed).
[3.] Jeffrey Podos and Stephen Nowicki, "Beaks, Adaptation, and Vocal Evolution in Darwin's Finches," BioScience, Vol. 54(6):501-510 (June 2004).
[4.] Stephen C. Meyer, Scott Minnich, Jonathan Moneymaker, Paul A. Nelson, and Ralph Seelke, Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism, pp. 90-91 (Hill House, 2007).)
[5.] Peter Radetsky, "How Did Life Start?" Discover Magazine
[6.] Stephen Jay Gould, "An Early Start," Natural History, p. 10 (February, 1978) (emphasis added).
[7.] Robert Shapiro, " Astrobiology: Life's beginnings," Nature, Vol. 476:30-31 (August 4, 2011).
[8.] Robert Shapiro quoted in James Urquhart, " Insight into RNA origins," Royal Society of Chemistry (May 13, 2009).
[9.] Robert L. Carroll, "Towards a new evolutionary synthesis," Trends in Ecology and Evolution, Vol. 15:27-32 (January, 2000).
[10.] James W. Valentine, David Jablonski and Douglas H. Erwin, "Fossils, molecules and embryos: new perspectives on the Cambrian explosion," Development, Vol. 126, 851-859 (1999).
[11.] Michael A. Bell, "Origin of the metazoan phyla: Cambrian explosion or proterozoic slow burn," Trends in Ecology and Evolution, Vol. 12:1-2 (January 1, 1997).

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (25645)5/3/2012 2:42:58 PM
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Synthetic Genetics Is ID, not Darwinism

Evolution News & Views May 1, 2012 11:13 AM |

Why does Darwin get credit for designed things? How can geneticists engineer unnatural molecules -- intelligent design, without doubt -- and call them examples of Darwinian evolution? It happened this month in the journal Science.


The Science

An international team of 11 scientists found ways to replace the sugars on the backbones of DNA molecules. "With the use of polymerase evolution and design, we show that genetic information can be stored in and recovered from six alternative genetic polymers based on simple nucleic acid architectures not found in nature," they said in Science.1 (Emphasis added in all quotations.) They called their designed molecules XNAs, where X stands for one of six alternative backbone sugars in the polymers. Using threose, for instance they got TNA; using arabinose, they made ANA, etc.

So did these molecules evolve by a Darwinian mechanism? Did they grow skeletons, eyes and wings? Not even close. Yet here's the basic claim:

We also select XNA aptamers, which bind their targets with high affinity and specificity, demonstrating that beyond heredity, specific XNAs have the capacity for Darwinian evolution and folding into defined structures. Thus, heredity and evolution, two hallmarks of life, are not limited to DNA and RNA but are likely to be emergent properties of polymers capable of information storage.
Right off the bat, we notice several examples of sneaking design into the experiment:

  • The scientists selected the aptamers.
  • The scientists selected the targets.
  • The scientists selected the defined structures.
Wishful thinking is also present in abundance:

  • A capacity for Darwinian evolution is not a demonstration of it.
  • The likelihood of emergent properties is not a demonstration of it.
  • The capability for information storage is not a demonstration of it.
The researchers' bullish sentence, "Thus heredity and evolution, two hallmarks of life, are not limited to DNA and RNA but are likely to be emergent properties of polymers capable of information storage" is a colossal non sequitur. They didn't see any evolution of information. They simply imagined it.

Best of All Possible Genetic Materials

Did the team of scientists rescue any credibility for Darwin? No. They begin with a statement agreeable to ID proponents: "The nucleic acids DNA and RNA provide the molecular basis for all life through their unique ability to store and propagate information." In fact, they admit that their designed alternatives have limitations, that the "chemical polymerization" of these unnatural polymers "remains relatively inefficient." They acknowledge that "most unnatural nucleotide analogs are poor polymerase substrates at full substitution, as both nucleotides for polymer synthesis and templates for reverse transcription."

These studies have revealed the profound influence of backbone, sugar, and base chemistry on nucleic acid properties and function. Crucially, only a small subset of chemistries allows information transfer through base pairing with DNA or RNA, a prerequisite for cross-talk with extant biology. However, base pairing alone cannot conclusively determine the capacity of a given chemistry to serve as a genetic system, because hybridization need not preserve information content. A more thorough examination of candidate genetic polymers' potential for information storage, propagation, and evolution requires a system for replication that would allow a systematic exploration of the informational, evolutionary, and functional potential of synthetic genetic polymers and would open up applications ranging from biotechnology to materials science.
So are "biotechnology" and "materials science" examples of Darwinian evolution or intelligent design?

Assuming the Subsequent

Even worse, their engineering tests required transcription to and from DNA. What on earth could such experiments have to do with the origin of life?

Here, we describe a general strategy to enable enzymatic replication and evolution of a broad range of synthetic genetic polymers based on: (i) a chemical framework [generically termed xeno-nucleic acid (XNA)] capable of specific base pairing with DNA, (ii) the engineering of polymerases that can synthesize XNA from a DNA template, and (iii) the engineering of polymerases that can reverse transcribe XNA back into DNA.
This scenario, in other words, presupposes the existence of DNA. Take away the DNA, and what happens? Nothing! The various XNA alternatives, therefore, cannot be stepping-stones to the DNA code. The whole experimental approach here was "discovery of polymerases capable of processive XNA synthesis" (back and forth with DNA), helped every step along the way by hands acting as the expression of intelligent design. We read a lot about engineering in the paper, but very little about unguided, aimless, purposeless processes of nature.

Even the research team's best candidate, TNA, "allowed polymer synthesis and evolution in a three-letter system but only limited reverse transcription." On January 9, Science Daily reported that Chaput's team had to exclude guanine to get TNA to bind to DNA or RNA. A three-letter code with 27 permutations has far less information-coding capacity than DNA's four-base system with its 64 permutations.

Base-Stealing by Team Darwin

Despite the attention given to Darwin, ID is ubiquitous in the paper. The scientists "developed a selection strategy called compartmentalized self-tagging" and made libraries "created from both random and phylogenetic diversity targeted to 22 short sequence motifs within a 10 Å shell of the nascent strand." They synthesized polymers "long enough to encode meaningful genetic information." This is no more indicative of a Darwinian origin of information than stating that they designed a memory chip capable of storing a software program, without finding the software in it.

As for "evolution," here's what they did. They got an HNA strand to develop by random mutation, then (by screening the mutants with ID), were able to transcribe it, mutation and all, back into DNA. More ID was required at every step: "As no available polymerase displayed this activity, we engineered an HNA-RT [HNA reverse transcriptase] de novo." Don't look for that happening in primordial soup.

Using further engineering techniques, the team found a few more cases where unnatural polymers could reverse-transcribe their "information" back to DNA. "Together, these engineered polymerases support the synthesis and reverse transcription of six synthetic genetic polymers and thus enable replication of the information encoded therein."

Hopeful Errors

Well, believe it or not, the researchers found the seeds of Darwinism after all. Where? In the capability of these unnatural molecules to make errors! "As previously observed for TNA, noncognate polymer synthesis can come at a cost of reduced fidelity as polymerase structures are poorly adapted to detect mismatches or aberrant geometry in the noncanonical XNA•DNA (or DNA•XNA) duplexes." By this logic, clunky error-prone copy machines hold the promise of authoring new books.

In living cells, the rare DNA copy errors are scrutinized and repaired by a host of error-correcting machines and processes. In the real world, mutations are the scourge of DNA, but to a Darwinian, errors are the seeds of progress.

After engineering heredity for their polymers, the team turned on the Darwin switch to watch them evolve. But again, they had simply taped "Darwin" on top of the "ID" switch. Everything they did involved ID: selecting a target, and screening the mutants for matches to the target. This is ID by definition, not Darwinism. They observed "eight rounds of selection" for a match. They "observed" and "selected" the results they desired.

Team Darwin Steals Home

To perform a true Darwinian experiment, these scientits would have had to pour the building blocks into a tank, let them interact naturally, and take notes without interference. As realistic experiments repeatedly show, even with sparks or heat, the molecules tend to clump into useless globs that sink to the bottom of the tank and go nowhere.

Here's the last sentence of the paper:

Our work establishes strategies for the replication and evolution of synthetic genetic polymers not found in nature, providing a route to novel sequence space. The capacity of synthetic polymers for both heredity and evolution also shows that DNA and RNA are not functionally unique as genetic materials. The methodologies developed herein are readily applied to other nucleic acid architectures and have the potential to enable the replication of genetic polymers of increasingly divergent chemistry, structural motifs, and physicochemical properties, as shown here by the acid resistance of HNA aptamers (fig. S17). Thus, aspects of the correlations between chemical structure, evolvability, and phenotypic diversity may become amenable to systematic study. Such "synthetic genetics" -- that is, the exploration of the informational, structural, and catalytic potential of synthetic genetic polymers -- should advance our understanding of the parameters of chemical information encoding and provide a source of ligands, catalysts, and nanostructures with tailor-made chemistries for applications in biotechnology and medicine.
Tornadoes in junkyards do not develop strategies, routes, functions, methodologies, architectures, systematic study, or exploration of informational potential. If anybody found "applications in biotechnology and medicine" resulting from a tornado-in-the-junkyard process, he or she would be justified in suspecting an intelligent cause was guiding the tornado.

Did you notice, finally, that since "DNA and RNA are not functionally unique as genetic materials," this is more evidence of intelligent design? It means that a designer had a choice of which genetic material to use. DNA is contingent, not predetermined as the only possible genetic storage molecule. Fortunately, it is the best of all known informational macromolecules (see this article from Vanderbilt University).

Media Goes Wild

So that's it -- that's what the paper was all about. Gerald Joyce, summarizing the work in the same issue of Science,2 basted himself in its Darwin-flavored gravy:

Genetics provides a mechanism for molecular memory and thus the basis for Darwinian evolution. It involves the storage and propagation of molecular information and the refinement of that information through experience and differential survival. Heretofore, the only molecules known to be capable of undergoing Darwinian evolution were RNA and DNA, the genetic molecules of biology. But on page 341 of this issue, Pinheiro et al. expand the palette considerably. They report six alternative genetic polymers that can be used to store and propagate information; one of these was made to undergo Darwinian evolution in response to imposed selection constraints. The work heralds the era of synthetic genetics, with implications for exobiology, biotechnology, and understanding of life itself.
The popular science media re-Joyced in this hymn to Darwin, dumbing it down for the readership. The latter are assumed to be oblivious to the fact that anything "made to undergo Darwinian evolution in response to imposed selection constraints" is ID, not Darwinism.

National Geographic announced, "Synthetic DNA Created, Evolves on Its Own." Reporter Christine Dell'Amore even used the occasion to take a jab at ID, linking her report to NG's contrived debate, "Evolution vs. Intelligent Design: 6 Bones of Contention." The 6-part "debate" presents caricatures of six intelligent design arguments, then gives evolutionist Donald Prothero the last word to accuse ID proponents of lying or ignoring the evidence.

PhysOrg reported that the work "sheds new light on questions concerning the origin of life" (Darwinism) but also "provides a range of practical applications for molecular medicine that were not previously available" (intelligent design). Better hope these intelligent designers have enough sense not to turn something loose that could attack DNA, like a software virus.

A Pre-RNA-World World?

A dark secret is revealed in the article (actually a press release from Arizona State promoting its local young champion, John Chaput,3 a co-author of the Science paper). Chaput unveiled his personal doubts about the plausibility of the popular "RNA World" hypothesis:

Nevertheless, the spontaneous arrival of RNA through a sequence of purely random mixing events of primitive chemicals was at the very least, an unlikely occurrence. "This is a big question," Chaput says. "If the RNA world existed, how did it come into existence? Was it spontaneously produced, or was it the product of something that was even simpler than RNA?"

This pre-RNA world hypothesis has been gaining ground, largely through investigations into XNAs, which provide plausible alternatives to the current biological regime and could have acted as chemical stepping-stones to the eventual emergence of life. The current research strengthens the case that something like this may have taken place.

When a scientist tells you something is plausible without any math to support it, you are free to use your own judgment. It appears from this paragraph that Chaput and his colleagues undertook their ID-saturated work because the "RNA world" scenario is highly implausible.

If so, all they did was imagine pre-RNA-world scenarios that "could have" or "may have" taken place. This begs multiple questions. How did non-natural XNA polymers emerge? What was the source of their genetic information? If they had genetic information that produced function, how did these simpler molecules avoid error catastrophe without proofreading machines? And finally, how did the simpler molecules transfer their information to DNA without polymerases and transcriptases? How many "chemical stepping stones" (actually, genetic revolutions) can the Darwinian scenario afford without incurring charges of contrivance?

Playing Ball Against Uncalled Fouls

This is what ID is up against. Darwinists take our strengths and use them against us. They steal intelligent design and call it Darwinism. Then they employ rhetorical tricks (like "chemical stepping stones") and imaginary scenarios to dream up what "may have" taken place in an unobservable prehistoric world where unguided processes are allowed to work miracles.

They get free rein in scientific journals that exclude ID responses (see this ENV article by Granville Sewell). They have Darwin-saturated public relations departments to write press releases, which are dutifully picked up by the popular science media, who are only too happy to celebrate anything that honors Darwin.

It's an unfair game when the umpires are corrupt, but scientific integrity demands keeping at it.

References:

1. Pinheiro, Taylor et al., "Synthetic Genetic Polymers Capable of Heredity and Evolution," Science, 20 April 2012: Vol. 336 no. 6079 pp. 341-344, DOI: 10.1126/science.1217622.

2. Gerald F. Joyce, "Evolution: Toward an Alternative Biology," Science, 20 April 2012: Vol. 336 no. 6079 pp. 307-308, DOI: 10.1126/science.1221724.

3. Ironically, John Chaput works for Arizona State's "Biodesign Institute's Center for Evolutionary Medicine and Informatics."
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Did you really not know that Italian Roman Catholics are not W.A.S.P.'s???

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