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To: Herc who wrote (801)6/22/2002 6:58:20 PM
From: Herc   of 827
 
For the record, Chris Cannon, R of UT. added the horseracing internet ban, and Mark Green, R. of WI, added the lottery internet ban to the most recent version of the Goodlatte bill.

Chris Cannon voted against the Goodlatte bill two years ago??!! Mark Green voted for it.

Without the loopholes, the bill doesn't stand a chance in the full House, much less the Senate, where Sen. Reed of NV. is the Majority Whip.

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To: kidl who wrote (454)6/25/2002 5:53:04 PM
From: waitwatchwander   of 827
 
Ladbrokes in mobile pay deal before World Cup semi

forbes.com 

LONDON, June 25 (Reuters) - Ladbrokes, the world's largest bookmaker, has signed up to a Deutsche Bank-backed <DBKGn.DE> mobile payment service ahead of the first 2002 World Cup semi-final between Germany and South Korea on Tuesday.

Owned by Britain's Hilton Group Plc <HG.L>, Ladbrokes becomes one of the highest profile British partners for paybox, the company operating the system that authorises small secure payments using mobile phones.

Paybox, which is 50-percent owned by Deutsche Bank, argues that using a mobile phone to make online transactions is more secure than a credit card, because sales are only authorised once a pin number is typed into the phone.

David Briggs, business development director at Ladbrokes, said the World Cup was a big opportunity for technological development, as online bets are expected to make up a fifth of around 200 million pounds ($300 million) placed on the soccer tournament in Britain alone.

Briggs said paybox had potential among punters.

"They are technology savvy, and as a high proportion are also mobile users, the partnership with paybox enables us to offer them an attractive and beneficial payment alternative," he said in a statement.

Paybox has signed up around 750,000 users around Europe, largely in Germany, and 10,000 merchants accept it, though figures for individual countries are not disclosed. Ladbrokes rival Coral Eurobet is also a paybox partner.

The rest of Paybox's shares are held by its board members, and 4.8 percent by German wireless operator Debitel, which is controlled by Switzerland's top telecoms group Swixxcom <SCMZn.VX>.

Copyright 2002, Reuters News Service

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To: waitwatchwander who wrote (803)7/11/2002 10:37:32 PM
From: Herc   of 827
 
ELOT finally files reorganization plan and announces another patent.

biz.yahoo.com 

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To: Herc who started this subject7/12/2002 7:38:44 AM
From: Herc   of 827
 
Ambitious attorneys general love to grandstand.

<<New York Subpoenas PayPal
For Details on Web Gambling

By NICK WINGFIELD
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


Internet payment provider PayPal Inc. said it received a subpoena from the New York state attorney general's office related to its activities in the Internet gambling market, the latest development in a broad investigation of online gambling activities.

Vince Sollitto, a PayPal spokesman, confirmed that earlier this week the Mountain View, Calif., company received a subpoena from the office of Eliot Spitzer, the New York attorney general, asking the company for information about online gambling payments that occur through the company's network. "We will, of course, fully cooperate," Mr. Sollitto said.

It is unclear how serious any legal action could be on PayPal. EBay Inc. on Monday said it would cease the business PayPal does with Internet gambling firms when eBay completes its proposed $1.5 billion acquisition of PayPal later this year.

EBay said it decided to close the gambling business, which accounts for 8% of payments on the PayPal network, because of uncertainty surrounding regulation of that market.

Christine Pritchard, a spokeswoman for the New York attorney general's office, declined to comment about PayPal or confirm that a subpoena had been sent to the company. The New York attorney general's office has been conducting an investigation into companies in the Internet gambling market.

Mr. Spitzer, who has recently led high-profile investigations of Wall Street analysts, has also actively sought to crack down on Internet gambling, a market that is expected to generate upward of $4 billion in revenue this year.

In June, following an inquiry into Citibank's business practices, Mr. Spitzer announced that Citigroup Inc.'s Citibank unit, the nation's largest credit-card issuer, agreed to block attempts to use its credit cards to pay for online gambling transactions. Citibank paid $100,000 to the state of New York and donated money to groups that fight compulsive gambling as part of the settlement.

Gambling and betting outside of authorized locations such as horse tracks and lotteries is illegal in New York and most other states, but Internet casinos often operate in offshore venues beyond the reach of U.S. authorities.

As a result, opponents of Internet gambling such as Mr. Spitzer have pressed financial firms that facilitate online bets to stop the practice. Credit-card issuers such as Bank of America, Fleet, MBNA and Chase Manhattan Bank currently block such transactions.

Until now, PayPal has found a thriving business in Internet gambling. While 60% of the $1.46 billion in payments it handled last quarter were related to eBay transactions, about 8%, or $117 million, stemmed from Internet gambling. Ebay executives had forecast that the gambling business would have accounted for between 10% and 15% of PayPal's business next year.

Some analysts and investors believe PayPal, as an independent company, would have had a difficult time walking away from the gambling business, though eBay, being larger, can absorb the impact. The gambling business is especially profitable for PayPal because it charges "high risk" merchants such as Internet casinos a higher transaction fee than other customers.

Write to Nick Wingfield at nick.wingfield@wsj.com>>

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To: kidl who wrote (798)10/1/2002 8:11:49 AM
From: Herc   of 827
 
ANOTHER SUSPENSION VOTE LIKE TWO YEARS AGO.

WASHINGTON – As reported by the Las Vegas Review-Journal: ``Pressured by other Republican leaders, House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, has scheduled a vote Tuesday on a bill to ban Internet gambling.

``The bill will require a two-thirds majority to pass since it will be voted on under an expedited procedure. Sponsored by Rep. Jim Leach, R-Iowa, the bill would prohibit the use of credit cards, checks and electronic fund transfers to pay for Internet gambling.

``As recently as last week, Armey reportedly was reluctant to schedule a vote on the Leach bill because it was too controversial and unlikely to receive a two-thirds vote.

``But House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., pressed for a vote during a House GOP leadership meeting on Tuesday.

``Bear, Stearns & Co., an investment firm, estimates there are 1,800 Internet gambling sites and the industry is projected to produce annual revenue of $4.2 billion by 2003.

``…`The testimony this month by FBI Director (Robert) Mueller that Internet gambling was a substantial means of money laundering used by terrorists and criminal elements also was important,’ Leach chief of staff Bill Tate said…”

- September 30, 2002

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To: Herc who wrote (806)10/1/2002 9:05:13 AM
From: kidl   of 827
 
Designed to fail???

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To: kidl who wrote (807)10/2/2002 7:55:27 AM
From: Herc   of 827
 
H.R. 556, the Unlawful Internet Gambling Prohibition Act, passed without a voice vote since no opposition called for a vote. However the text of the bill still excludes any internet gambling legalized by a state.

So it just makes things more difficult for internet casinos based overseas.

The backers got a bill passed but it's a Pyrrhic victory because the price for passage was such a weak bill that it's toothless. And they had to confront the issue peripherally with credit cards.

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To: Herc who wrote (808)10/2/2002 8:11:27 AM
From: kidl   of 827
 
Do you think the bill will go through the Senate before adjournment?

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To: kidl who wrote (809)10/2/2002 10:24:50 AM
From: Herc   of 827
 
I actually forgot about the Senate. But I don't think the AGA would have let it out of the House without opposition if they thought it would hurt them. Internet gambling has been legalized in NV, and some of the big casinos own internet casinos in the Channel Islands.

And in the Senate, NV. has more influence. Democrats control the senate. One of the NV. senators is the majority whip. And Mitch McConnell is looking after horse racing interests. And the AGA is a big campaign contributor. So who knows? The House vote could well be just to placate the religious right, and the bill will be killed in the Senate.

But the way I take the bill, it will just decrease competition for any state that legalizes intrastate internet gambling by banning credit cards for the offshore casinos.

The states are so hard pressed for cash right now I don't think many will be anti gambling.

But I'll write my senators anyway.

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To: kidl who wrote (809)10/2/2002 10:44:03 AM
From: Herc   of 827
 
Harry Reid of NV. is the senate majority whip. And the father in law of the other senator, John Ensign, is a casino exec. But a Google search did not reveal which casino.

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