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To: Herc who wrote (794)5/21/2002 8:53:21 AM
From: i-node   of 827
 
I predict that in a few years that the gambling industry will have its hands full trying to compete with peer to peer internet gaming software/sites.

Peer to Peer? I don't think so.

But the online gambling industry does have the possibility of doing well over the coming years. They have to overcome two problems: (1) There are a ton of online casinos out there that pay slowly or not at all, and (2) there is no simple way of handling paying and receiving. Until these issues are resolved the industry will stagnate.

Today, online gamblers are gambling in three ways. First, players are gambling on whether the games are "fair". Second, they're gambling on whether they will receive their money, SHOULD they happen to win. And finally, they are gambling in the traditional ways. The first two items above are not faced by players at land-based facilities.

Until a secure means of returning gamblers' money to them, INSTANTLY, is available, the industry is going nowhere. What is needed is a credit-card like device where a player can deposit money up front and have money transferred to and from that account instantly. Credit card companies do NOT want in the online gambling business and they are effectively terminating the relationship.

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To: i-node who wrote (795)5/22/2002 8:17:01 AM
From: Herc   of 827
 
Some credit card companies are getting out to the internet casino business because the legality of gambling debt hasn't been firmly established. And some online problem gamblers have hired lawyers to weasel out of their debt. But any industry as unscrupulous as credit cards who try to get clients hooked on debt and then raise their interest rates will certainly welcome internet gambling debt once internet gambling's legality is better established.

Now this...


<<CURACAO – As reported by Leisure World Asia: “Casino Village on Net, a new gaming software company, has developed the world’s first peer-to-peer gaming platform under the banner 'BeTheDealer' that for the first time allows players to enjoy 'house' odds.
”This is the first time a casino company has been able to provide players with the ability to play as the house for games such as blackjack and roulette. As a dealer, players can both increase their odds of winning and share the excitement of being a dealer. Players must accumulate sufficient credit points to become the dealer.
”The company has signed on leading internet websites Lycos and LastMinute in the United Kingdom. These agreements, as well as others in the pipeline mediated by Ariadne Capital in Europe, helps position Casino Village on Net to capture a share of the growing online gaming market that market researcher Datamonitor estimates will grow to US$5 billion in 2004 from US$50 million in 1999 in Europe.
”…The deal engineered by Ariadne Capital enables Lycos to be among the first to offer BeTheDealer Casino and provide blackjack, roulette, video poker and slot machines in which players can opt to become the house and play against other players.
”Players who opt for the real thing must bankroll the games themselves against other live players with whom the system randomly matches them. Would-be dealers first must earn a minimum number of house credits as a player and also must have a minimum balance in their online accounts before they can switch sides of the table. A low stakes blackjack dealer could get started with as little as £50 (US$75).
”…Peer-to-peer technologies such as those employed by Napster and eBay are unique in their ability to virally market themselves to a large number of users. Similar to eBay, BeTheDealer charges as commission a fraction of the value transacted through its system thereby rapidly growing revenue…”>>

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To: i-node who wrote (795)5/22/2002 8:36:54 AM
From: Herc   of 827
 
Also this...

paypal.com 

And I understand PayPal charges a smaller commission then credit card's usual 6-8%.

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To: Herc who wrote (797)5/22/2002 12:03:55 PM
From: kidl   of 827
 
California Legalizes Internet Gambling
by I. Nelson Rose, Gambling and the Law
21 May 2002

California Gov. Gray Davis recently authorized what may be the second largest expansion of legal gambling in the history of the United States. At the same time, he brought legal Internet gambling to a significant percentage of the country's population.

Complete article:
winneronline.com 

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To: kidl who wrote (798)5/22/2002 2:29:16 PM
From: Herc   of 827
 
By far my favorite part of the article is the paragraph that says in Dec., 2000 Congress expanded the Interstate Horseracing Act to include "all electronic media". What actually happened is that Mitch McConnell snuck this onto the Commerce, State, Justice Appropriations bill at the tail end of the session.

Also, the clout of the dying horserace industry relative to lotteries and casinos continues to mystify me. But they get preferential treatment in all the internet gambling bills. Surely the casinos have equally good lobbyists. Maybe, it's that off track betting is already firmly established.

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To: Herc who started this subject5/22/2002 3:09:31 PM
From: Herc   of 827
 
The Amazing Criswell further predicts future suits by the horse tracks against peer to peer internet gambling sites where the peer to peer sites will argue they weren't wagering on the actual races but the RESULTS posted in any newspaper, and therefore in the public domain. So no royalties are owed. But in the end, some mutually acceptable arrangement will be worked out since the tracks need another source of revenue.

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To: Herc who wrote (800)6/20/2002 8:24:19 AM
From: Herc   of 827
 
LATEST GOODLATTE BILL NOW BANS OFFTRACK INTERNET RACE WAGERING AND INTERNET STATE LOTTERIES???!!!

thoroughbredtimes.com 

reuters.com 

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To: Herc who wrote (801)6/22/2002 6:58:20 PM
From: Herc   of 827
 
For the record, Chris Cannon, R of UT. added the horseracing internet ban, and Mark Green, R. of WI, added the lottery internet ban to the most recent version of the Goodlatte bill.

Chris Cannon voted against the Goodlatte bill two years ago??!! Mark Green voted for it.

Without the loopholes, the bill doesn't stand a chance in the full House, much less the Senate, where Sen. Reed of NV. is the Majority Whip.

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To: kidl who wrote (454)6/25/2002 5:53:04 PM
From: waitwatchwander   of 827
 
Ladbrokes in mobile pay deal before World Cup semi

forbes.com 

LONDON, June 25 (Reuters) - Ladbrokes, the world's largest bookmaker, has signed up to a Deutsche Bank-backed <DBKGn.DE> mobile payment service ahead of the first 2002 World Cup semi-final between Germany and South Korea on Tuesday.

Owned by Britain's Hilton Group Plc <HG.L>, Ladbrokes becomes one of the highest profile British partners for paybox, the company operating the system that authorises small secure payments using mobile phones.

Paybox, which is 50-percent owned by Deutsche Bank, argues that using a mobile phone to make online transactions is more secure than a credit card, because sales are only authorised once a pin number is typed into the phone.

David Briggs, business development director at Ladbrokes, said the World Cup was a big opportunity for technological development, as online bets are expected to make up a fifth of around 200 million pounds ($300 million) placed on the soccer tournament in Britain alone.

Briggs said paybox had potential among punters.

"They are technology savvy, and as a high proportion are also mobile users, the partnership with paybox enables us to offer them an attractive and beneficial payment alternative," he said in a statement.

Paybox has signed up around 750,000 users around Europe, largely in Germany, and 10,000 merchants accept it, though figures for individual countries are not disclosed. Ladbrokes rival Coral Eurobet is also a paybox partner.

The rest of Paybox's shares are held by its board members, and 4.8 percent by German wireless operator Debitel, which is controlled by Switzerland's top telecoms group Swixxcom <SCMZn.VX>.

Copyright 2002, Reuters News Service

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To: waitwatchwander who wrote (803)7/11/2002 10:37:32 PM
From: Herc   of 827
 
ELOT finally files reorganization plan and announces another patent.

biz.yahoo.com 

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