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To: sandintoes who wrote (756904)1/6/2007 7:00:19 AM
From: JDN   of 769617
 
Gawd I hated reading that. Brought back all the ugly feelings I had at the time. I dont even want to publicly say how angry it makes me. jdn

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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (756892)1/6/2007 9:18:26 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof2 Recommendations   of 769617
 
Trying to PILE yet one more false assumption upon your previous false comments?

What on Earth is wrong with you, Peter?

(Isn't reality interesting enough for you? You have to go around setting up straw men and fantastical windmills to tilt against?)

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To: JDN who wrote (756905)1/6/2007 9:20:55 AM
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"Those of us that PAY THE TAXES have been always opposed to deficit spending."

So I trust you have been screaming your head off during the Reagan, Bush41 and Bush43 administrations? Because they have done the most of it. Check the inflation adjusted graph here

brillig.com 

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To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (756893)1/6/2007 10:07:01 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof   of 769617
 
"I don't know, I'll have to think about it... ummm, is this a trick question? <g>"

LOL!

Well... it sure was a rhetorical question. <g>

"This is exactly my point, so we may as well load up the trailer and load on as many as we can carry..."

There have to be MANY financial / business / and political interests favoring wide-open immigration... (else we sure would not have so much of it).

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To: calgal who wrote (756902)1/6/2007 10:12:59 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof   of 769617
 
More from the frontlines of the inter-Islamic religious civil war:

President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt: "They turned him into a martyr."

In Libya: a government statement said a statue depicting Mr. Hussein in the gallows would be erected, along with a monument to Omar al-Mukhtar, who resisted the Italian invasion of Libya and was hanged by the Italians in 1931.

And in Morocco, the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, Jordan, Sunni-Iraq....

Images of Hanging Make Hussein a Martyr to Many

By HASSAN M. FATTAH
Published: January 6, 2007

nytimes.com 

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To: sandintoes who wrote (756904)1/6/2007 10:16:07 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof1 Recommendation   of 769617
 
McCain's Hawkish Views Up Stakes for '08

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
January 6, 2007
Filed at 3:55 a.m. ET
nytimes.com 


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. John McCain's call for a substantial and sustained influx of U.S. troops in Iraq sets the Republican apart from other White House candidates -- and it could help him or haunt him come 2008.

The Arizona senator's hawkish position that the United States must do what is necessary to win the war might appeal to hard-core Republicans, but it also has the potential to turn off most Americans whose support for the nearly 4-year-old war has diminished.

''I have presidential ambitions, but they pale in comparison to what I think is most important to our nation's security. If it destroys any ambitions I may have, I'm willing to pay that price gladly,'' McCain said Friday, brushing aside scenarios of political fallout.

A decorated Vietnam war veteran considered one of Congress' authorities on military matters, McCain has long said the United States did not send enough troops to Iraq for the 2003 invasion. He has been a vocal advocate of sending thousands more troops to the war zone to calm sectarian violence that has ravaged Baghdad and beyond.

Securing the country, McCain says, would allow for political progress and economic development that has been stunted thus far.

The stance has generated attention -- and scrutiny -- as President Bush prepares to announce a new Iraq strategy that's expected to include a troop increase.

McCain is ''staking out a position as a hawk on this war -- that it's winnable and we're going to move forward and do this. Certainly it's a risky strategy,'' said Fred Solop, a political science professor at Northern Arizona University. ''But right now his sights are on winning the nomination for his party. And that's a position that's going to get him a lot of support as he pursues it.''

Of McCain's most serious potential challengers for the Republican nomination, former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani has largely resisted wading into the Iraq debate. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has said that while withdrawing ''would be a mistake,'' decisions on troop levels should be left to the military.

But likely Democratic rivals have taken aim. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards opposed what he called ''the McCain doctrine,'' and former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack said of the Republican, ''I think he is wrong.''

A recent Associated Press-AOL News Poll found that most Americans are pessimistic about the future of Iraq and few expect the situation to get any better. A majority doubt that a stable, democratic government will be established there, and eight in 10 think the conflict will end with a compromise, not a clear-cut victory.

The public also heavily favors a timetable for withdrawing all forces in the next two years -- a sentiment that conflicts with McCain's go-big strategy.

Having recently returned from a trip to Iraq, the senator staunchly defended his position Friday before a standing-room-only crowd at the American Enterprise Institute. A travel companion and ally, independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, backed him up.

Outside the conservative policy center, dozens stood in a drizzling rain to protest any escalation of forces. They carried signs and shouted, ''John and Joe have got to go!''

''John's taking a gutsy position, not because he's read any political opinion polls or sifted through the results of the last election, but because he thinks that's what's right for America,'' Lieberman said.

Interjecting, McCain said, ''Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry Truman -- many other presidents have taken unpopular positions for the good of the nation.''

Neither senator would put a precise number on a buildup they seek but said that at a minimum it should be what commanders in Iraq have told them is needed -- another three to five brigades in Baghdad and at least one more brigade in the Anbar province. Typically, about 3,500 troops are in a brigade.

About 140,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq now.

As Bush put the finishing touches on his new strategy, McCain said he believes success is still possible but warned that a small, short-term increase in forces would not be sufficient to win and would be ''the worst of all worlds.''

''It has to be significant and sustained. Otherwise, do not do it. Otherwise, there will be more needless loss of American lives,'' said McCain, the top GOP senator on the Armed Services Committee.

''The strategy will mean more casualties, extra hardships for our brave fighting men and women, and the violence may get worse before it gets better,'' McCain said. However, he added, the consequences of failure would be ''potentially catastrophic.''

Answering critics, McCain acknowledged that the military would be over-stressed under his proposal but said, ''I believe there's only one thing worse than an overstressed military -- and that's a broken and defeated military.''

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press

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To: calgal who wrote (756902)1/6/2007 10:21:08 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof   of 769617
 
It's the balderdash....

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From: DuckTapeSunroof1/6/2007 12:15:59 PM
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Balance the Budget *online*:

budgetsim.org 

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To: JDN who wrote (756905)1/6/2007 12:17:05 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof   of 769617
 
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From: E1/6/2007 12:23:02 PM
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I wonder what the WH wants to hide from the American people and its representatives now. I told my husband that this (entirely new) arrangement would be defended by the admirers of George W. Bush, as everything he does, however destructive to our country, is. He's curious to know how they'll do that, so any defense will be read with interest. I'm most interested in how anyone who defends this move would have reacted had Clinton done the same (see last three paragraphs below).

White House visitor records closed By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer

Fri Jan 5, 4:07 PM ET


The White House and the Secret Service quietly signed an agreement last spring in the midst of the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal declaring that records identifying visitors to the White House are not open to the public.

The Bush administration didn't reveal the existence of the memorandum of understanding until last fall. The White House is using it to deal with a legal problem on a separate front, a ruling by a federal judge ordering the production of Secret Service logs identifying visitors to the office of Vice President Dick Cheney.

In a federal appeals court filing three weeks ago, the administration's lawyers used the memo in a legal argument aimed at overturning the judge's ruling. The Washington Post is suing for access to the Secret Service logs.

The five-page document dated May 17 declares that all entry and exit data on White House visitors belongs to the White House as presidential records rather than to the Secret Service as agency records. Therefore, the agreement states, the material is not subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.

In the past, Secret Service logs have revealed the comings and goings of various White House visitors, including Monica Lewinsky and Clinton campaign donor Denise Rich, the wife of fugitive financier Marc Rich, who received a pardon in the closing hours of the Clinton administration.

The memo last spring was signed by the White House and Secret Service the day after a Washington-based group asked a federal judge to impose sanctions on the Secret Service in a dispute over White House visitor logs for Abramoff.

The chief counsel to another Washington-based group suing to get Secret Service logs calls the creation of the memo "a political maneuver couched as a legal one."

"It appears the White House is actually manufacturing evidence to further its own agenda," Anne Weismann, a Justice Department lawyer for 19 years and now chief counsel to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said Friday.

The White House and the Secret Service declined to comment.

Last year in the Abramoff scandal, the Bush administration, in response to three lawsuits, provided an incomplete picture of how many visits Abramoff and his lobbying team made to the White House.

The task of digging out Abramoff-White House links fell to a House committee that collected the lobbyist's billing records and e-mails. The House report found 485 lobbying contacts with presidential aides over three years, including 10 with top Bush administration aide Karl Rove.

As part of its security function of protecting the White House complex, the Secret Service uses the log information to conduct background checks on people prior to daily appointments and visits.

The memorandum of understanding is an unusual step because it deals with an unsettled area of law.

Federal courts will ultimately decide whether records identifying White House visitors and who they are going to see are under the legal control of the Secret Service or are presidential records publicly releasable solely at the discretion of the White House.

The Bush administration's agreement with the Secret Service "at a minimum will serve to postpone a final resolution of who these records belong to," said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists. "This memo reflects the Bush administration's view of American government, which is that the people's business should be conducted behind closed doors."

In the mid-1990s, a conservative group, Judicial Watch, obtained Secret Service entry logs through a lawsuit.

Secret Service records played a significant role in the Whitewater scandal in the 1990s, supplying congressional Republicans with leads to follow in their investigations of the Clintons.

A decade ago, Senate investigators used Secret Service logs to document who visited the White House during the fundraising scandal surrounding President Clinton's re-election campaign.

news.yahoo.com 

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