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To: ManyMoose who wrote (653301)10/29/2004 3:50:49 PM
From: Enam Luf   of 769617
 
Yes, but who is the pot and who is the kettle?

Btw, imho, The Atlantic does an excellent job of presenting mutliple facets of issues. I have seen articles in there that are staunchly in favor of Bush as well. I find their insights to be keen and well-researched.

I often watch fox news to gain a different perspective. If you choose to put blinders on, that is your perrogative.

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To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (653398)10/29/2004 3:51:16 PM
From: Selectric II   of 769617
 
Despicable, the lot of them. And now Osama's tape will be aired in 15 minutes.

All we need is Streisand in the background, signing, "People."

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To: JBTFD who wrote (653395)10/29/2004 3:52:23 PM
From: Hope Praytochange   of 769617
 
Edwards Is Finding It Difficult to Shift G.O.P. Trend at Home
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD

ith the fanfare of a concert tour, Senator John Edwards plans to return home to North Carolina today to cast an early ballot and attend a rally in his honor, accompanied by the rocker Jon Bon Jovi and thousands of supporters.

But if the polls are any indication, the voters of his state would sooner welcome President Bush than Mr. Edwards, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee.

Despite warnings by Mr. Edwards during the primary season that it would be an enormous mistake to ignore the South and his promises to "beat President Bush in my backyard,'' North Carolina seems to be falling in line with the rest of the South in the Bush column.

The Kerry campaign is not advertising in the state, having shifted much of its television money since mid-August to swing states in the Midwest and West, and political analysts in North Carolina said Mr. Edwards would have faced a tough hurdle even at the top of the ticket.

North Carolina has not voted for a Democrat for president since Jimmy Carter in 1976. That reflects the larger shift that has taken place across the South in the past four decades, from reliably Democratic to solidly Republican in presidential elections.

Jack Fleer, a professor emeritus of political science at Wake Forest University in North Carolina, said Republicans had captured the region largely because its voters see the Republicans as kin on social and cultural issues, including opposition to abortion rights and gay marriage, and because it has large numbers of military personnel who view the party as stronger on defense.

Hastings Wyman, editor of the nonpartisan Southern Political Report, predicted that Mr. Edwards would have faced a difficult challenge had he decided to run for re-election instead of announcing his retirement after one term to run for president.

Mr. Edwards, who defeated a one-term Republican incumbent in 1998 by five percentage points in a hard-fought race, has also suffered because of the perception among North Carolinians that his presidential ambitions have come at the expense of serving his constituents, Professor Freer said.

As the vice-presidential nominee Mr. Edwards has visited the state 10 times - this will be his fourth campaign trip since Labor Day. The latest Mason-Dixon poll, conducted Oct. 18-19, showed Mr. Bush leading 51 percent to 43 percent among 625 likely voters, with a margin of error of four percentage points.

Al Gore lost the state by 13 percentage points in 2000, but some Democrats had initially hoped that Mr. Edwards just might pull the state for Mr. Kerry.

Ed Turlington, North Carolina chairman for the Kerry campaign, points out that the polls are tighter than in 2000 and suggests that Democratic efforts to register new voters and increase turnout mean the state is not entirely a lost cause. "I'm not going to try to sell you that we're even,'' Mr. Turlington said. "But I think we're in the single-digit range, and if we have a surge and the turnout it could be a good result.''

Republicans expressed delight that Mr. Edwards would spend time and resources in North Carolina instead of true swing states. "We welcome them to spend as much time and resources as they can there,'' said Reed Dickens, a spokesman for the Bush campaign. The Kerry campaign's difficulty in North Carolina is all the more striking because Mr. Edwards repeatedly promoted his Southern credentials during the primary season and promised to carry his own state. One of his standard lines was: "Too many times, the Democrats ignore the South. We can't do that, because historically we've never elected a Democrat president without winning at least five Southern states.''

But earlier this year Mr. Kerry himself noted at Dartmouth College that it was possible to win the presidency without the old South. "Everybody always makes the mistake of looking South,'' Mr. Kerry said. "Al Gore proved he could have been president of the United States without winning one Southern state, including his own.''





nytimes.com 

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To: ManyMoose who wrote (653291)10/29/2004 3:52:24 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™   of 769617
 
Most liberals I've ever met are short sighted and unthinking...

GZ

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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (653401)10/29/2004 3:53:02 PM
From: JBTFD   of 769617
 
I wouldn't call it liberal. I would call it fiscally irresponsible. The first time ever a president has cut taxes during a time of war.

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To: Selectric II who wrote (653344)10/29/2004 3:53:17 PM
From: Enam Luf   of 769617
 
not to mention investment bankers.

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To: JBTFD who wrote (653385)10/29/2004 3:54:21 PM
From: Selectric II   of 769617
 
Btw, you inadvertently overlooked the first word of my post: "Hardly."

I'm not ok with hypocrisy at all, but I'm a studied observer of liberal democrats' widespread acceptance of their own.

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To: Hope Praytochange who wrote (653396)10/29/2004 3:54:54 PM
From: Peter Dierks   of 769617
 
You are welcome.

It is way more complex than that. But if your municipality told you you had to work for the municipality at half the wage rate for half a day, would you work in another town?

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To: ManyMoose who wrote (653349)10/29/2004 3:54:54 PM
From: Kenneth V. McNutt   of 769617
 
They can consider Kerry all they want, but he's no sportsman. Kerry is opposed by every outdoor magazine that I've seen.

I read the goose season was not open in Ohio the day Kerry went hunting. If the story is true, then if the geese had been obtained from a legal source and pre-positioned then he is home free.
Does anyone know the season in Ohio? Year round for democrats but how about the Canadian Goose season?

KM

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To: Hope Praytochange who wrote (653405)10/29/2004 3:55:38 PM
From: JBTFD   of 769617
 
Bible belt state can't see past the abortion issue.

If Satan were to run for office in this country, all he would have to do is be "pro life" and he would have a lock on some 35% of the vote. The 1 issue Christian vote.

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