Strategies & Market Trends | DAYTRADING Fundamentals


Previous 10 | Next 10 
To: Leland Charon who wrote (7988)4/24/2000 11:15:00 PM
From: sim chambers   of 18131
 
leland, there is NO system that is as good as the human mind. your brain is faster with all the thousands of variables than any computer.

i would state it cannot be done.

if you want to add effort, concentrate on fundamentals, market backdrop, charts, and momentum....all these help odds.

there is one key that many traders like Gary B Smith of thestreet.com miss out on: the fundamentals of the company DO matter. short or long, keeping in mind you have a bloated pig, or a diamond in the rough do help your odds.

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read

To: sim chambers who wrote (7993)4/24/2000 11:29:00 PM
From: Dan Clark   of 18131
 
Sim,

I think that the key is NOT whether we short or not. If you handle longs better than shorts, by all means don't change. The key (in my opinion) is whether we can objectively look at a stock and say, "This is a short setup." If we can spot a short setup as readily as a long setup, I think that is more than half the battle. At that point, if we choose NOT to enter the trade (for whatever reason) that is our perogative.

Good trading and regards,

Dan.

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read | Read Replies (1)

To: Dan Clark who wrote (7995)4/24/2000 11:41:00 PM
From: Dave O.   of 18131
 
< If you handle longs better than shorts, by all means don't change. >

Dan,

One of my points in commenting on the short issue earlier was to get some people to think about how they'd trade in a downtrending market where the long opportunities may not be so obvious. And if long opportunites become more scarce what's a trader to do that focuses only on the long side?

I think of a football analogy at times ... how often do you see a team that only passes (or only runs) the ball? Not often ... but to have BOTH a passing and ground game makes them more versatile and improves their chances of winning each game.

Dave

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read | Read Replies (1)

To: Dave O. who wrote (7996)4/25/2000 12:13:00 AM
From: Dan Clark   of 18131
 
Dave,

I think that we ar in agreement. The issue is emphasis.

For me personally, it makes no difference if I go short and long, as long as it is the appropriate trade given the market, the stock, etc. I *slightly* prefer long because of easier entry.

While I *generally* believe that it is better to have a balanced long/short TRADING strategy, I *strongly* believe in a balanced long/short ANALYSIS strategy. This is the point that I am emphasizing. It is extremely important to ensure that we don't "see" a good long trade that is actually a much better short trade, simply because we focus solely on long trades. I believe that a balanced TRADING strategy will make better money for you, but a balanced ANALYSIS strategy will keep you from loosing a lot more money.

Regards,

Dan.

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read

To: Eric P who wrote ()4/25/2000 9:07:00 AM
From: supertip   of 18131
 
NYSE Seats Lose Prestige
The seats, once a great status symbol of capitalism, have dropped in value 36 percent since fall. washingtonpost.com 

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read

To: Eric P who wrote ()4/25/2000 5:07:00 PM
From: Chris Steele   of 18131
 
I have been reading and re-reading the rules that are scheduled to go into effect on the NASDAQ June 5th......I am wondering how other traders feel the system will work.

The link for the NASDAQ webcast:
nasdaqtrader.com 

Thanks,

cas

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read | Read Replies (1)

To: Chris Steele who wrote (7999)4/25/2000 8:05:00 PM
From: Eric P   of 18131
 
Chris:

Thanks for the excellent link to the Nasdaq Trader web site presentation reviewing the new SOES / SNET changes which will take effect on 6/5/00. Note that they are referring to this new system as SuperSOES.

I highly recommend to any active trader using a direct access broker to take some time to watch this ~25 minute slideshow presentation (http://customer.nextvenue.com/nasdaq/realmain100.htm) and read the question and answer section(http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/trader/news/webcast/qasoes.pdf). It is very informative and clearly presented.

From what I saw, I think the new system will be a great improvement for traders using Nasdaq. I'll list some of the key points that seemed important to me:

1) The new system will virtually eliminate the need for the SNET system by allowing SOES orders to be placed by all market participants for sizes up to 9900 shares. Note that the 5 minute SOES rule will be eliminated, so that large traders can, for example, place 5 consecutive SOES orders for 9000 shares in order to buy 45,000 shares.

2) ECN's will have the option of being included as an "auto execution" ECN and therefore being SOES'able, or declining to participate in this new SuperSOES system and only being accessible through SNET (as currently the case). This, I believe, is the biggest unknown for the new system. If the ECN's decide to participate, then this system will be as close to a 'fair' system as I could ever imagine we'd see. I am pretty excited by this prospect.

3) SNET will become a non-obligatory system for accessing market makers, and can only be used to preference them for a size in excess of their quoted shares. In other words, if the market maker is quoting 1000 shares and you want 1000 shares or less, you will need to place a SOES order to trade with him. In this case, any 1000 share or less SNET order would be instantly rejected by Nasdaq. However, you can place a non-obligatory SNET order preferenced to the market maker for 1100 or more shares. This will revert the SNET system back to a negotiated marketplace versus an obligatory market system. This SNET order size limitation will not apply to orders directed at non-participating ECN's. In other words, if the non-participating ECN is quoting 1500 shares, you will be able to place an SNET order to buy only 200 shares from him. In fact, SNET orders will be the only way to access any non-participating ECN through Nasdaq.

4) All SuperSOES orders will be executed in price/time priority. In other words, if you post an order on a participating ECN and you got to the price level first, then YOU are first in line for the next order coming into the system. This should greatly reduce the problem of being traded around and hit last. Note that the payment for order flow brokers (NITE, MASH, HRZG, etc) will still have the option to fill their own order flow internally at their descretion and will not be forced to submit their order flow into the Nasdaq SuperSOES system to hit your offer. However, in general, I think it will do a great deal to 'level the playing field'.

5) It's still uncertain whether participating ECN's will be able to charge their ECN fee to people filling orders against their order book through the SuperSOES system. This will likely be a major factor in determing whether the ECN will join this new system, and is a question which will ultimately be answered by the SEC.

6) Another interesting change is that, under most circumstances, market maker orders on the new system will immediately be removed from the inside bid/ask once their displayed and reserve size has been exhausted. This is a major improvement, as market makers will no longer be capable of halting a move in the market by merely filling one 100 share order every 17 seconds and refusing to back away from the inside market. For example, assume that the inside bid is 82 1/2, and there are three market makers displaying sizes of 300, 500 and 400 shares respectively. If you place a market SOES order for 1200 shares, you will 'take out' all three of the market makers and their quotes will immediately be eliminated from the Level II display and the inside bid will drop to the next highest level. The market maker will then have up to 5 minutes to post a new quote for the stock to replace the one that was 'taken out'. This is exactly what many of us have been suggesting as a 'fair' solution for a long time. Hopefully, it will work in practice as well as it seems like it should.

7) Reserve size. This is the term for when the market maker wants to display only 1000 shares, for example, but has an additional 'reserve size' of 10,000 additional shares he/she wants to sell. Currently, the market maker can post a displayed size of as little as 100 shares, with a reserved size of 10,000 shares and simply fill 100 shares every 17 seconds indefinitely. With the new rules, any market makers wishing to use the reserve size capability will be forced to display a minimum of 1000 shares. Also, any incoming orders will be automatically executed against the display AND reserve size. Therefore, for the above market maker with a display of 1000 shares and a reserve of 10,000 shares => you can place a SOES market order for 9000 shares which will get filled in its entirety immediately.

All in all, I think these changes sound GREAT!!! Maybe I'm reading too optimistically, though. I'd sure be interested in hearing the thoughts of others. In any case, Chris, thanks for the great link.

-Eric

P.S. For those into this sort of thing... Grub, grub, 8000.

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read | Read Replies (4)

To: Eric P who wrote (8000)4/25/2000 8:42:00 PM
From: Dan Clark   of 18131
 
Eric,

Speaking of great posts...

This is an EXCELLENT explanation for us simple, god-fearin' daytraders. <g>

It also brings up an interesting question about the future role of direct-entry firms like CyberCorp and MBTrading. If we can simply "SuperSOES" an order and get good fills, will we need complex order routing options like those offered by these firms? Any thoughts?

Regards,

Dan.

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read | Read Replies (3)

To: Dan Clark who wrote (8001)4/25/2000 9:06:00 PM
From: Chris Steele   of 18131
 
Dan,

As a cyber user, i asked them what they would be changing....we had a short discussion about it on the cyber board:

Subject 32382

I read the rules about the same as Eric...and I get the impression that the NASDAQ is really trying to stop the "fragmentation" that is happening...ie: trading wayoutside the current offer/bid on ECN's, trading past orders, some people obtaining fills, etc, etc. *IF* and only if the system is fast, executes orders as advertised, and the MMers don't cry too hard, it might actually be a better system for all involved. they way i see it....the traders get faster fills at the current size on the inside quote, and in exchange, they are giving back the MMers the S-Net system. No longer will the MMers be obligated to fill S-Net orders or move...as they are now. It could be a fair trade-off. We'll see.

Fingers crossed,

Cas

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read

To: Dan Clark who wrote (8001)4/25/2000 9:07:00 PM
From: Eric P   of 18131
 
This is an EXCELLENT explanation for us simple, god-fearin' daytraders. <g>

Thanks, but please check out the links and read and hear about the system in all it's glory. I've just tried to give a brief summary. The details look good to me, though.

It also brings up an interesting question about the future role of direct-entry firms like CyberCorp and MBTrading. If we can simply "SuperSOES" an order and get good fills, will we need complex order routing options like those offered by these firms? Any thoughts?

After the implementation of the SuperSOES system, the only value I see in sophisticated order routing systems will be to quickly recognize how many shares to SOES and how many that need to be SNET'ed to non-participating ECN's. Hopefully, all of the ECN's will agree to participate, thus eliminating the need for any fancy order routing. Note that brokerages that also run ECN's such as ARCA and REDI will still have a vested interest in sophisticated order routing system to ensure that the order are routed to their ECN's first among the others at the same price level. This should not adversely affect the trader, however.

In summary, it seems as if this new proposal should simplify the trading process. More time spent analyzing when to buy and sell, and less time spent awkwardly trying to figure out who and how to send your order to the marketplace during a quick market move.

Cheers,
-Eric

-Eric

Share Recommend | Keep | Reply | Mark as Last Read | Read Replies (2)
Previous 10 | Next 10 

Copyright © 1995-2013 Knight Sac Media. All rights reserved.