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To: Jim Bishop who started this subject12/19/2002 12:50:48 AM
From: jmhollen   of 150056
 
TXMC(E), it's been a long wait, but something has definitely lit the candle - I'm looking for significant news soon.

It's a terrific technology, and typically beat-to-schmidt by the non-working death-spiralers and greedsters........

tirex.com 


John :-)

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To: Jim Bishop who started this subject12/19/2002 8:04:09 AM
From: SSP   of 150056
 
<font color=red>Quarter Flounder - with cheese, for a limited time only?? McDonald's Corp. (NYSE:MCD)


haha! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!

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To: garym who wrote (111548)12/19/2002 8:47:37 AM
From: garym   of 150056
 
opps that was .30 to 1.01 NIFL

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To: Jim Bishop who started this subject12/19/2002 8:53:12 AM
From: Rctrader2   of 150056
 
CNCE..Some Good DD from RB..One to Watch...

By: dlb988
19 Dec 2002, 06:59 AM EST Msg. 43442 of 43444

Conseco's neighbors optimistic about future

Carmel mayor says firm's agreement with debtors and promise of few layoffs bode well.



By James A. Gillaspy and Fred Kelly

james.gillaspy@indystar.com

December 19, 2002

CARMEL, Ind. -- Hamilton County and Carmel officials are mining the silver lining they say surrounds the bankruptcy of Conseco, the city's largest employer.

Carmel Mayor Jim Brainard says the company still has the opportunity to inspire as it did when it rose from a grass-roots enterprise to a conglomerate.

"This is a good sign of progression of Conseco's working out their problems," he said. "The creditors have agreed that they're going to accept shares in place of some of the debt that they hold, and allow Conseco to continue in business with improved cash flow."

Brainard said the decision of the now-struggling insurance and finance giant to seek bankruptcy protections should signal a renewal. And he said Conseco's assurances that a bankruptcy would not involve significant layoffs is equally encouraging.

To support his view, Brainard pointed to the company's rising fortunes in the stock market. The stock's value had climbed 50 percent by midafternoon.

"That tells us that the market's optimistic," said Brainard. "This should be the beginning of the end of the problems."

The agreement by Conseco's creditor banks to accept conversion of Conseco debt to stock and a time frame that allows the company to more slowly repay lenders offer hope for the company's future. So does the abandonment of Conseco's unprofitable financing arm.

"To be viable, you've got to have a niche, a position in the market that you can be profitable in," said Hamilton County Alliance President Jeff Burt, who partners with local municipalities in a cooperative effort to build Hamilton County's community of major employers.

"My understanding is, the insurance piece of Conseco, which was really the initial building block of the company, remains very viable," said Burt. "If those elements do remain profitable, then the impacts on the company, the people and certainly the community are going to be minimized.

"I guess that is going to have to be one of those New Year's wishes."

Many of the company's employees were reluctant to speak on the record about the corporation's troubles Wednesday.

Those who worked in Conseco's insurance arm said they were told months ago that the company likely would file for bankruptcy but that their jobs were secure.

"Most people here aren't really talking about it," said John Taylor, 25, Indianapolis, who has worked as an insurance claims processor for six months. "I didn't even know about the bankruptcy until today."

Dozens of worried insurance policy-holders called the company with questions, said Nickey Murray, 28, Indianapolis, who has worked in the customer service department since September.

"I probably got like 100 calls," said Murray, who added that workers reassured customers their policies remain valid. "They are very nervous."

Hamilton County Chamber of Commerce Executive Director Mo Merhoff said Conseco's past image as a business role model has paled but not disappeared.

"I certainly hope that this will do what I take it the optimists hope it does -- which is provide the opportunity for some of the companies to survive."


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Call James Gillaspy at 1-317-444-2608.

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By: dlb988
19 Dec 2002, 06:57 AM EST Msg. 43441 of 43444

Finance arm's planned sale unloads albatross for parent




By Chris O'Malley

chris.omalley@indystar.com

December 19, 2002

Conseco Finance, in a corporate twist on a Greek tragedy, will be sold to a firm named for the mythological beast who guards the gates of Hades.

The proposed sale of the former Green Tree Financial -- the mobile home lender whose financial problems helped lead to Conseco's bankruptcy -- to New York-based Cerberus Capital Management and two other partners, announced Wednesday, will allow the Carmel company to focus on its core insurance business.

"I think it puts the final capstone on the fact that there certainly was never any particular synergy between the insurance and the finance side of the house," said David Erb, managing partner of Merrion Group LLC in New Jersey.

Conseco bought St. Paul, Minn.-based Green Tree in 1998 for $6 billion, plunging Conseco into debt that culminated in its filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization late Tuesday.

"To put that in perspective, (the purchase price) is roughly the magnitude of the debt they owe" now, said Rob Neal, an associate professor of finance at Indiana University's Kelley School of Business.

Pending approval of federal bankruptcy court in Chicago, Conseco Finance will be sold to CFN Investment Holdings. CFN is a joint venture of Cerberus, Fortress Investment Group and J.C. Flowers & Co., headed by former Goldman Sachs partner Christopher Flowers.

Conseco also announced Wednesday that it had received a $125 million line of credit to keep the finance unit running during the reorganization.

Conseco Finance's chief executive, Chuck Cremens, said the sale was positive news for the finance company.

"We believe that the sale of the business will preserve the vast majority of our employees' jobs and enhance our ability to service our customers," Cremens said in a statement.

Rather than pay Conseco Inc. a premium for the finance company, CFN would assume Conseco Finance's secured debt, primarily held by Lehman Brothers and estimated to be $1.2 billion -- about one-fifth of what Conseco paid for the company four years ago.

"Basically they (Conseco) take a huge loss on the sale. But beyond that, it means they'll be refocusing on their insurance operations going forward," said Eric Tutterow, an analyst at KDP Investment Advisors in Chicago.

Green Tree "has really been a nightmare -- probably one of the worst investments. Certainly the worst investment they (Conseco) ever made," he added.

Wall Street punished Conseco's stock when the deal was announced in April 1998 by co-founder and former chief executive Stephen C. Hilbert, saying Conseco paid too much for Green Tree. That started a downward spiral in Conseco's stock, then at nearly $60 a share, to its current level of about 6 cents a share.

Not only did Conseco pay a premium for Green Tree, but the merger failed to exploit cross-selling between the lending and insurance sides of the business, observers said.

It's a problem with many mergers, said Todd Saxton, assistant professor of strategy and entrepreneurship at the Kelley School of Business. "It has to be either cheaper, faster or better in quality. You tell me how this transaction resulted in any one of those three.

"The mistake is just made over and over -- the hubris of the chief executive officer that they can bring anything on board and do anything."

Green Tree wasn't the only problem. For much of its history, Conseco went on a spree of acquisitions -- buying up insurance companies and eliminating redundant operations to reduce costs.

But it didn't fully integrate those businesses, said Mark Foster, chief investment officer at Kirr Marbach and Co. in Columbus, Ind.

"That was going to be a problem at some point," Foster said. "You layer on a risky acquisition that they clearly overpaid for on top of that, then you don't have that strong of an underlying base."

Pressure mounted as Conseco Finance stumbled in a slowing economy that brought loan defaults, especially in its mobile home business.

With Conseco Finance about to be separated and sold off, Conseco will have to address the plague of insurers in trouble, a credit-ratings plunge, fewer agents to write policies and, now, consumer awareness of its failures.

Many of Conseco's customers knew little more about the company than its snappy television commercials. Only now, with its bankruptcy filing, will the scope of the problems be apparent.

"You don't become the third-biggest bankruptcy in corporate America without having some baggage and press that goes along with it," Saxton said. "They will be in the spotlight. . . . There will be a very large and an immediate impact on a constituent who has been unaware of the magnitude of the problems."

A more severe fate might await Conseco Finance upon its sale. The new buyers could do to it what Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has done at commercial lender Finova Group, which Buffett's company invested in while the lender was in bankruptcy.

Many of Finova's portfolios have been sold off in what effectively is a controlled liquidation, Erb said.

If they proceed with this in similar fashion as with Finova, that "will not mean that Conseco Finance would necessarily survive," he said.


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Call Chris O'Malley at 1-317-444-6081.

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To: Jim Bishop who started this subject12/19/2002 9:10:50 AM
From: SSP   of 150056
 
KMRTQ - Attention!! All Pissed off shareholders, your certs trade under new symbol now!! Kmart Announces New Ticker Symbols; Common Stock and Trust Preferred Securities to be Quoted on Pink Sheets

TROY, Mich., Dec. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Kmart Corporation announced that the over-the-counter bulletin board (the "OTCBB") has assigned the new ticker symbols "KMRTQ" to its common stock and "KMTPQ" to the trust preferred securities of Kmart Corporation's subsidiary, Kmart Financing I. Effective today, the common stock and the trust preferred securities will be quoted on the Pink Sheets Electronic Quotation Service; information regarding such service is available at www.pinksheets.com . The OTCBB has indicated that quotation of the common stock and the trust preferred securities on the OTCBB will be delayed in light of the Company's previously announced restatement of its financial statements. The Company expects such securities to be eligible for quotation on the OTCBB no later than completion of the restatement.
As previously announced, the New York Stock Exchange has indicated that it will suspend trading of Kmart's common stock and the trust convertible preferred securities effective today, and that it has initiated proceedings to delist the securities.
Kmart Corporation is a mass merchandising company that serves America with more than 1,800 Kmart and Kmart SuperCenter retail outlets. Kmart in 2001 had sales of $36 billion.

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To: Joe Copia who wrote (111534)12/19/2002 1:28:39 PM
From: Joe Copia   of 150056
 
ow "DID NOT" ... DiD Too" began:

To Those of us who have children in our lives, whether
they are our own, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, or students...here is something to make you chuckle.

Whenever your children are out of control, you can take comfort from the thought that even God's omnipotence did not extend to His own children.


After creating heaven and earth, God created Adam and Eve, and the first thing he said was "DON'T!"

"Don't what?" Adam replied.

Don't eat the forbidden fruit." God said.

"Forbidden fruit? We have forbidden fruit? Hey, Eve, ...we have forbidden fruit!"

"No Way!"

"Yes way!"

"Do NOT eat the fruit!" said God.

Why?"

"Because I am your Father and I said so!" God replied,
wondering why He hadn't stopped creation after making the elephants.

A few minutes later, God saw His children having an apple break and He was ticked! "Didn't I tell you not to eat the fruit?" God asked.

"Uh huh," Adam replied.

"Then why did you?" said the Father.


"I don't know," said Eve.
"She started it!" Adam said.
"Did not!"
"Did too!"
"DID NOT!"

Having had it with the two of them, God's punishment was that Adam and Eve should have children of their own. Thus the pattern was set and it has never changed.

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To: Joe Copia who wrote (111557)12/19/2002 3:03:55 PM
From: J. Nelson   of 150056
 
Joe: Could it be at the time he had not made them Jack Axx yet and was working on them at the time??? Who came first IYO.... see it did have something to do with the line of what followed later..... and in Congress they still have did did not all the time... LOL...

Your post ...

((((("Because I am your Father and I said so!" God replied,
wondering why He hadn't stopped creation after making the elephants.)))))

Peace to us all,
Jim....

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To: Jim Bishop who started this subject12/19/2002 3:46:39 PM
From: Rctrader2   of 150056
 
ADOT looking like DA GAPPER-on Mega vol./this NEWS...
By: tiabone
19 Dec 2002, 08:46 AM EST Msg. 32142 of 32161

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M., Dec 19, 2002 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Advanced Optics Electronics Inc. (ADOT, Trade) has entered discussions with a group interested in licensing certain elements of ADOT's proprietary technology for military employment in helmet-mounted applications. If approved by ADOT and the prospective license holder, ADOT would receive a licensing fee and royalty payments on a schedule to be negotiated.

The CPA firm of Squar Milner Roehl & Williamson of Southern California has been appointed as auditors to the company. The board took special note of Squar Milner's expertise in the area of mergers as well as its active SEC practice, which will be important in guiding the company through new SEC regulations.

Biomoda Inc. looks to an SEC response in early January regarding timing of the effective date of its registration of 5 million shares set at $6.00 per share. Advanced Optics Electronics Inc. holds 18.5 percent of Biomoda Inc.

Advanced Optics Electronics Inc. is a technology company based in Albuquerque. The company maintains an R&D facility and manufacturing plant, and is engaged in building large-scale flat-panel displays utilizing its patented and patent-pending technology.

In addition to the core business of ADOT, the company has made a strategic technology-oriented investment in Biomoda Inc. Biomoda Inc. (nonpublic) is a company that holds patents and patents pending domestically and internationally for the early detection of lung cancer. ADOT currently holds approximately 18.5 percent of Biomoda Inc.

This news release contains forward-looking statements that involve a high degree of risk and uncertainty. Such statements include, but are not limited to, statements containing the words "believes," "anticipates," "expects," "estimates" and words of similar import. The company's actual results could differ materially from any forward-looking statements, which reflect management's opinions only as of the date of this report, as a result of risks and uncertainties that exist in our operation, development efforts and business environment. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revisions to these forward-looking statements. You should carefully review the risk factors in other documents that the company files from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including its Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q.


Advanced Optics Electronics Inc., Albuquerque
505/797-7878
www.adotsite.com

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To: J. Nelson who wrote (111551)12/19/2002 4:26:23 PM
From: J. Nelson   of 150056
 
Looking for something of bad light to come out of CSCO. next few days.. Hmmmm what could it be anyone have a idea?

Regards to all,
Jim...

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To: Rctrader2 who wrote (111559)12/19/2002 4:38:03 PM
From: J. Nelson   of 150056
 
Rctrader2: This 18.5% held is that of the o/s before the offering I would think so and if that the o/s pre the offering 10,765,282 Just f.y.i.

Regards,
Jim...
P.S. something to read in the SEC files as to the value of the total after the offering is done.. and the time windows they are looking for... not much of a news rls IMO. done more for the new auditors with some color added...

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