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To: dvdw© who wrote (17293)6/9/2003 11:32:38 PM
From: Dan Duchardt   of 19216
 
Isn't the real question when do the boyz begin to restock their shelves? What you say makes a lot of sense. They accumulated low and are now selling much higher. Seems to me the last thing they want to do is accumulate again without first driving the prices down to shake out the folks they have been selling to of late. I don't think they will accomplish that with a few sudden moves down that barely last one trading session before another rally sets in.

I don't claim to know when it will start, but I expect those who have been buying into this latest ramp up are going to feel some pain for more than a few days at a time, and probably enough to start unloading shares as the boyz suck up shares at discount prices once again.

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To: J.T. who wrote (17298)6/10/2003 3:46:48 PM
From: J.T.   of 19216
 
Rydex. Counter-trend trade.

I re-entered 100% short.

Exact same positions.

Will explain later.

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To: Dan Duchardt who wrote (17302)6/10/2003 6:38:38 PM
From: dvdw©   of 19216
 
"They accumulated low and are now selling much higher. Seems to me the last thing they want to do is accumulate again without first driving the prices down to shake out the folks they have been selling to of late"

Perhaps, but it is important to look at this market as a channel of distribution. DA Boyz were not alone buying the market during 2001 2002, Investors were there as well. We saw this during Fall 01 and Oct 02.

All the large cash positions built up by channel facilitators only went to work this year. Those coffers are no where filled to meet potential demand from an interested public. There is big money on the sidelines, still large supply imbalances on many individual stocks, and a lot of uncertainty to keep most wondering. DA BOYS first order of business is to get shares into their channel, which is the big brokerages, & fund managers with large retail and professional clients, they are no where near filling up these channels. I see these moves up to now as starting to fill up the channel at wholesale prices.

Like all functioning channels, the channel facilitators like JIT delivery ( Just In Time), when the public moves ahead of the channel, and the smartest are, they'll end up with inventory the channel needs farther out. That is what we are seeing now. Smart foriegn money coming in as well.

DA Boys dont just dump their inventory, that would be stupid with a capital S, they need to incrementaly position inventory, while carefully assessing perceived value. As omnipotent as they are within the trade, its Investor demand that "rates the value", by specific demand, which removes shares from the trade. Scarcity has its value, and wholesale dumping ahead of validation of scarcity asserting its metric is bad for profits. Liquidity plays are in the process of carving out new channels, some will be up some down.

Because all stocks have gone to through the proverbial laundry, they are generally cleaned up and just waiting for a place to go. It takes Investors to make the call.

Investors are the best guage of future value. Those who performed best in the first cycle, are likely to assume new roles as market leaders until proven otherwise. There are wide ranging programs being run to facilitate outcomes, amongst the noize we are seeing Pump and Dumps ( like SIRI) distribution clashes of hugely inflated floats, and shifting fundamental metrics which are confusing folks a great deal. Companies like SUNW & RFMD are confusing many people sending conflicting messages to the universe of potential buyers and sellers.

IMO the Russell 3000 will give many companies a big boost soon as there will be an above average number of companies added and deleted in that key index. Some great upside moves are ahead as the Index's try to keep up with the shuffle.

These moves now are still wholesale, still subject to obfuscation and very much preparation moves for a much broader advance. The trade or channel partners are the ones have been buying the dips, positioning their average costs lower, this should continue allowing them to get a share of the huge short covering yet to come.

The dips are designed to wash the traders share of the market. Traders are like first responders to an emergency, they come, they participate and then leave, eventually coming back as their experience dictates. As long as the balance of traders remains split between shorts and longs the trend will be up.

Thats my take and I'll be sticking to it.

Stalking the bear is still the best game in town.

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To: J.T. who wrote (17303)6/10/2003 8:15:39 PM
From: High Country Trader   of 19216
 
J.T., the day before and the day of futures rollover (this Thursday) always used to trip up my long trades. Although percentage-wise I never found any bias, I did find that the down periods were pretty nasty. So hopefully, you will have another winner over these next two days.

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To: High Country Trader who wrote (17305)6/11/2003 12:49:41 AM
From: J.T.   of 19216
 
Am I looking for all the wrong reasons?

Why another ST Short Trade?

Normally, I would feel good about this counter-trend trade/
especially after they closed BOTH the SPX and NDX at the
top tick for the day. But like last weeks counter trade, I
have that sinking feeling in my stomach again. Even though
I was fortunate enough to exit with a nice nimble profit.


Instead of giving you all the reasons why I put on these
short trades, I will only key you in on 1 (the expanded
version):

Last Thursday night, I mentioned it would not surprise me
to see a 90% downside volume day within the next week:

Message 19007925

The next day we got our blow off top and reversed.

However, we never got any serious selling pressure (yet) to
scare out longs and we have commenced this stealth move
back up. The buying is there, no question, but is it
running on fumes short term? The churning I have been
talking about.

Now flashback to the Bull launch off the December 1974
bottom. As you well recall, Investors Intelligence
sentiment survey for Bearish advisors went from 49% + to
19% Bears in March 1975 (3 months). On March 24, 1975, we
had 1 last 90% downside volume day to mark the low and then
we took off again. This low occurred 4-5 (close/intraday
low) trading days after the blow off top a week before.



Compare today II Bearish advisors at 20.7% will be
interesting if we crack into the teens tomorrow morning.

We are also at that 3 month juncture in this stealth Bull
off the March 11/12 2003 bottom.


something has to give in this short term stand-off...

a stampede of new Buyers(in addition to more short covering
pain) or a heavy dose of selling to shake out some weak
longs.


In any event, market internals are excellent and the next
leg up in this stealth Bull *could* take us to DOW 9750
and SPX 1060 and COMP 1820... some time in July..

Make no mistake, this is only a ST trade and...I DO want to
get LONG again... but,,,

maybe just my wishful thinking...

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To: dvdw© who wrote (17304)6/11/2003 1:15:33 AM
From: J.T.   of 19216
 
Excellent post.

No question the supply demand relationship of the market
the last 3 months has favored the Bulls. And liquidity is
one element in the equation.

However, in order for the boyz to distribute shares over
the last 3 weeks from today's close and get back in at
lower prices implies a 10% + pullback as measured by the
NYA from todays closing prices.

Quite possible, but from judging market internals as of todays close
this seems improbable....

unless...

all the more reason why this weekends member net balance
index will bear close watching for any potential additional
net selling, which would be the 4th week in a row, and
would put me on high alert...

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To: J.T. who wrote (17307)6/11/2003 10:10:25 AM
From: J.T.   of 19216
 
Dangerous cross-currents abound-

Investors Intelligence numbers out today:

Bulls 58.7%
Bears 16.3%

Lowest levels since April 1987.

However, price action holding it together rather well-
*so far*.

Only SOX break and sustained suppression below SOX 370 (now SOX 372.50) and
is confirmed by BKX break of BKX 860 (now BKX 868) will I
feel good about this trade.

*If* this scenario develops, the break will be on to SPX 840 - 850.

Will the one hour opening numbers mark the commencement of
the reversal?

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To: J.T. who wrote (17308)6/11/2003 11:18:17 AM
From: J.T.   of 19216
 
Correction:

Message 19022135

The previous post linked above should read SPX 940 - 950
(not SPX 840 - 850) and have noted the correction below:

Dangerous cross-currents abound-
Investors Intelligence numbers out today:


Bulls 58.7%
Bears 16.3%

Lowest levels since April 1987.

However, price action holding it together rather well-
*so far*.

Only SOX break and sustained suppression below SOX 370 (now
SOX 372.50) and is confirmed by BKX break of BKX 860
(now BKX 868) will I feel good about this trade.

*If* this scenario develops, the break will be on to
SPX 940 - 950.


Will the one hour opening numbers mark the commencement of
the reversal?

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To: J.T. who wrote (17308)6/11/2003 11:30:14 AM
From: dvdw©   of 19216
 
Dangerous cross-currents abound-
Investors Intelligence numbers out today:

Bulls 58.7%
Bears 16.3%

Does conventional wisdom teach the broader community to fade these numbers?

If so why?

From my perspective this data corroborates the transfer of shares to channel partners is ongoing, that is not a fade. That is more like a fact worth supporting.

Different Sentiment for different conditions; there seems to be an unwillingness to change methodologies based on changing conditions.

Take UTSI for example, its breaking out this morning and why shouldnt it? They are kicking ass all over asia, in fact, Morgan Stanley issued a warning yesterday on several of their competitors because they just cant compete. Market share gains deserve higher valuations, especially when the trend appears to be expanding and business momentum is something that should not be triffled with. What I am doing is playing the suppliers for UTSI's network, those are SSPI for Soft switches and Gateway mods that interconnect the disparate parts of the networks, and PTIX who makes Server blades for Switches. The lions share of the investment community has not put two and two together to make 4, when the realization hits as to why UTSI is so successful it will embarrass a lot of gurus in the communications business.

UTSI has a huge Supply Imbalance while these key suppliers are just plain way undervalued by all metrics of forward performance. There are only tactics being worked here, those tactics are what need to be faded, not some generalized summary of what is actually happening inside the trade.

With all due respect, I find that the focus of the market should shift to measures of Investor Intent. See Accumulation in the face of market uncertainty as the only available truth serum by which a forecast can be made.

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To: J.T. who wrote (17303)6/11/2003 11:49:15 AM
From: yard_man   of 19216
 
u'v got a good battin' average lately, JT.

congrats on that.

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