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To: Joseph Francis Torti who wrote (1150)3/22/2000 9:21:00 PM
From: Tom Caruthers   of 1413
 
The charts of all the online brokers look pretty good. Market leader Schwab is up and away...laggards should follow soon.

Tom C.

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To: Tom Caruthers who wrote (1151)3/25/2000 7:22:00 AM
From: OldAIMGuy   of 1413
 
Hi Tom, I agree that the chart on TWE is looking better than it has.
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Nice the see the "momentum" line back in positive territory.

A friend was relating his recent experience with TWE's phone system and had been disappointed with the results. Long wait and "disinterested" attitude of the eventual "customer service" person. He was attempting to get info on setting up a SEP IRA and whether he could roll his old IRA into the SEP once completed. He was so dissatisfied witht the first conversation, he called back. That time he got another person and a different answer! Now he's really confused.

It does sound like there are growing pains here. I used to enjoy talking to the folks in my local office in Milwaukee. They were professional and after a while knew who I was. The local number is no longer functional - all calls go through a central clearing house.

For me this doesn't matter as I usually place all my orders via computer and almost always after hours. They are place as "Limit Orders" and on a good for 60 day basis. Pretty hard to mess that sort of thing up!

I'm beginning to see why so many people here on the BB have been making noises about poor service. Since I had no direct problems, I assumed they were isolated instances. However, my friend's experience is educational. This isn't a person that gets rattled very easily.

As an investor in TWE, I want to see them build out their infrastructure to achieve the best possible service level for on-line traders. This, of course has the upper limits of the Internet itself. As the Internet improves with faster switches, more optical cable, etc., we should also benefit with better accessability. However, they need to have something on hand that works for us to access!

Regarding Customer Service, it sounds like the training depth isn't there yet for answering questions of a higher level than "Can I open an account?" I have to assume that TWE management knows of these shortcomings and is addressing them in a timely fashion.

Again, as an investor in TWE, if there's a saving grace to any of this it's that there's not been a good alternative for investors to choose. I don't want to depend on that to save TWE's bacon in the future, however.

Best regards, Tom

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To: OldAIMGuy who wrote (1152)3/25/2000 8:13:00 AM
From: Tom Caruthers   of 1413
 
Good morning Tom,

Like you and many here, I have been with Waterhouse since asking for a verbal quote on "WHO?" was like a Laurel and Hardy skit. Yes, the service and execution was superb then and I remember always thinking that $35 a trade was such a bargain.

One of the things that I find encouraging in terms of TWE is their recent moves to make their website faster to load and more streamlined. I've also noticed that early morning trades have become more reliable as of late. I use several OLBs, mainly for the access, and all of them have similar growing pains....down time, long waits on the phone...but I like TWE mainly for the $12 unrestricted trades...none of this nonsense of market vs limit orders, OTC vs NYSE stocks, hidden fees and all of that. I also find TWE extremely good in record keeping.

Like you, I hope that TWE will eventually (read soon) be able to accommodate all comers, including active day-traders, since those services will benefit all of us.

Again, the chart looks encouraging now...breaking resistance on good volume...next resistance will likely be the $24 IPO price....probably lots of burned shareholders ready to pull the trigger. Once we get above the $27 high, though, the air's clear and it should be a nice ride.

Take it easy and have a great weekend!

Tom C

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To: OldAIMGuy who wrote (1152)3/25/2000 2:21:00 PM
From: WebDrone   of 1413
 
Hi Toms, my 2 cents-

I've only been trading with Waterhouse a few years, but it does seem like those were the "good old days."

I would call the Milwaukee office, too. (Madison, myself.) I miss that option. TWE is swamped with business.

Here are a few notes-

1) Our Canadian cousins do not enjoy the same level of service we seem to. Ironic, eh?

2) All the other brokers are experiencing the same service problems. Too much volume. I liked DIR's business plan of catering to the $100k + portfolios... but I hear they are swamped, too. Any complaint you hear here, you can hear about any other OLB.

3) I've been asking where to go for better service. Some folks are suggesting small newstartup OLBs as not being crowded- yet. Pr going to full service brokers to pay much higher comissions, but a dedicated broker to take your orders when you need it done absolutely now.

4) I have 4 OLBs with margin and options- just in case. They all have problems.

As I look at the OLBs again after 6 months, I consider where I came from: an asswhipping off DIR's IPO. I got greedy and lost a lot; evaluted TWE a better buy, and made the switch. Tax dodge helped, too.

Now I look at the performance- TWE up, DIR down. DIR is a tracking stock. That confuses my analysis of what it's worth.

At this point, I will stick with the chart- that is, a lot of folks think TWE is worth owning. DIR is cheap... nobody wants it.

I'm thinking any break above $22 1/2 will be a real solid one, unles $25 options are presented on Monday. Even so, I hope we are off Gilligan's Island- $18 to $20.

Too much business. I should have such problems.

Web

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To: WebDrone who wrote (1154)3/27/2000 10:08:00 AM
From: WebDrone   of 1413
 
I realize this is a sober and thoughtful board....

so please excuse me for the following:

"woohooo!"

I've held this stock for some time, and have recently moved more assets in to the financial sector. It's nice to see almost immediate gratification.

Also, unless somebody lists a $30 series of options, the new $25s are not going to cut it; more moves to the common, and more substantial rises. I hope. It seems to be a common pattern.

Web

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To: WebDrone who wrote (1155)3/27/2000 4:57:00 PM
From: OldAIMGuy   of 1413
 
Hi WD, Yes, nice move and great volume today. I'll be parting company with a few more shares of TWE tomorrow assuming the price holds up. I entered the order just after today's close. This is a solid 20% move from last Monday. Not bad for a week's work.

My TWE account is now solidly profitable and some of those profits have been sidelined as CASH for now. I started this account in August at $15+.

Best regards, Tom

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To: OldAIMGuy who wrote (1156)3/27/2000 5:07:00 PM
From: WebDrone   of 1413
 
Nice trading! I have yet to decide what my core position is going to be- I have a bad habit of picking good 'uns, and selling far too soon. I like the financials considering Greenspan's recent comments on the price of oil and the Fed not yet seeing it as inflationary.

I consider energy costs an effective rate hike, and one that I think has been priced in to the entire sector, by now. I'm way out of my depth, though. And I swing a tiny twig of a portfolio.

Web

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To: WebDrone who wrote (1157)3/27/2000 6:38:00 PM
From: Harry Sharp   of 1413
 
RESEARCH ALERT - TD Waterhouse upgraded
March 27, 2000 09:23 AM
NEW YORK, March 27 (Reuters) - Morgan Stanley Dean Witter said on Monday it raised its rating on shares of TD Waterhouse Group Inc. TWE to strong buy from neutral.

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To: Harry Sharp who wrote (1158)3/28/2000 9:36:00 AM
From: OldAIMGuy   of 1413
 
Hi HS, Nice to finally be back above the IPO price for many here. I got a late start luckily!

We're closing in on the previous high water mark.

Best regards, Tom

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To: Joseph Ziebarth who wrote (1131)3/28/2000 10:56:00 PM
From: IceCube   of 1413
 
Sorry for getting back at you almost a month later. I'm kind of showing you how it feels like when you wait on hold during and after market hours.

I've got nothing against the profit ability of Waterhouse.
There's no doubt about it they're HUGE and growing at an alarming rate. Owning TWE stock should be a must for any investor.

I just have a problem, like many others regarding glitches with some of TD's systems.

Now let me ask you something. As TD continues to break records with billion dollar profits derived mainly from commission fees, wouldn't you expect them to use their capital resources in ways to enhance capability?
In wake of all the recent complaints being made, the only action they took was to reduce marketing.

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