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To: tom pope who wrote (38317)5/23/2012 7:41:02 AM
From: IRWIN JAMES FRANKEL   of 40264
 
Weighty evidence, indeed.

:-)

ij

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To: scaram(o)uche who wrote (38310)5/23/2012 2:56:21 PM
From: nigel bates   of 40264
 
>If it's smooth, don't let them touch it!!!!<

I'm tempted to ask, how else would they know ? :)

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To: BulbaMan who wrote (38304)5/23/2012 4:42:22 PM
From: software salesperson   of 40264
 
here is hans rosling on worldwide prostate cancer statistics and, among other things, the correlation between rising income and overdiagnosis:


gapminder.org 


he is one of the world's leading thinkers. for those who may be unfamiliar with his fascinating TED talks and his visualization software, here is his bio:


en.wikipedia.org 


his site has similar videos on other cancer types:


gapminder.org 

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To: software salesperson who wrote (38322)5/23/2012 6:27:49 PM
From: tom pope   of 40264
 
Very interesting.

Clearly the decision to treat or not must be on a case by case as I think Rosling suggests. I had a PSA that went from under 2 to 6 in a year. On biopsy, Gleason score was a 7. I saw 4 specialists ( 1standard radiation, 1 HIFU, 1 Davinci and the Duke stereotactic study). Not one of the specialists recommended watchful waiting.

I decided to go with the Duke program, and am very glad I did.

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To: tom pope who wrote (38323)5/23/2012 10:08:16 PM
From: Robohogs   of 40264
 
They get paid not to wait, Tom.

Jon

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To: Robohogs who wrote (38324)5/23/2012 11:32:44 PM
From: tom pope   of 40264
 
You're a trifle cynical, methinks.

The nice thing about a Gleason 7 in the context of watchful waiting is that you may not have long to wait.

Saves time.

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To: tom pope who wrote (38323)5/23/2012 11:37:22 PM
From: Biomaven   of 40264
 
Good thing you didn't go with them Death Panel folks:

online.wsj.com 



This was an interesting (if strangely designed) study:

medpagetoday.com 

As I said before, I think MDV3100 prior to surgery makes a lot of sense.


Peter

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To: tom pope who wrote (38325)5/24/2012 12:32:27 AM
From: Robohogs   of 40264
 
Lol. I have been accused of that in the past. I'm glad it all worked out for you!

Jon

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To: Biomaven who wrote (38326)5/24/2012 12:35:31 AM
From: Robohogs   of 40264
 
For death panel politics, go check out an editorial about the Lockerbie bomber. Apparently, they let him out of jail because he only had about a month to live. When he got to Libya, the treatment was so much better that he lived an additional three years. Almost nothing was covered under the Scottish system. I cannot remember where I read this editorial, but it made for interesting reading.

Jon

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To: Robohogs who wrote (38328)5/24/2012 1:00:29 AM
From: Robohogs   of 40264
 
online.wsj.com 

Jon

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