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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (54299)8/19/2003 8:15:51 PM
From: Zed4   of 54800
 
Short Term UF!?! Say it ain't so...

Cheers! Rob

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To: Zed4 who wrote (54301)8/19/2003 11:26:20 PM
From: Uncle Frank   of 54800
 
Rob, I'm strictly long term, but the activities of my Evil Twin have long been documented here. He plays options, trades, and does all sorts of despicable things.

uf

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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (54302)8/19/2003 11:47:41 PM
From: Zed4   of 54800
 
Hmmmm. I'll have to watch out for dat' der' evil fella.
Sounds like I might be able to learn a thing or three! ;-)

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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (54297)8/20/2003 10:22:55 AM
From: mmbw   of 54800
 
Three cheers for NTAP. Finally things are starting to move with one of my few remaining stocks.

I got totally disgusted with cree and sold the stock when all the family squabbling started.

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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (54299)8/20/2003 4:32:51 PM
From: Thomas Mercer-Hursh   of 54800
 
I closed it out today.

Before or after the rise?

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To: Thomas Mercer-Hursh who wrote (54283)8/26/2003 8:12:35 AM
From: stockman_scott   of 54800
 
MessageGate Inc.

____________________________

By HELEN JUNG
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
seattlepi.nwsource.com 

Amount: $5.1 million during the week of 8/25/2003




BELLEVUE -- Microsoft Corp. has long reigned as the undisputed software magnate in these parts.

But don't count out Seattle's other 800-pound gorilla just yet.

Turns out that The Boeing Co., founded in Seattle 87 years ago and known more for its airplane engineering than software engineering, has done some high-tech research and development of its own.

Yesterday, Boeing spun off a new company, MessageGate, that sells Boeing's own home-grown technology for filtering out junk e-mail for corporate networks.

Not only does MessageGate aim to seize a share of the hot market for controlling junk messages, but it also represents a new -- albeit modest -- hope for the region as Boeing's commercial airplane business cools. The business is one of only three to be spun out of a Boeing initiative to promote entrepreneurship within its ranks.

But executives hope it's the beginning of a crop of Baby Boeings in a land of Baby Bills -- the nickname for start-ups created by former Microsoft workers, in homage to Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates.

"There are a lot in the pipeline," said Miller Adams, vice president of Boeing Ventures, which falls under Boeing's chief technology officer. The division runs an entrepreneurship initiative that educates, trains and supports employees' ideas for possible new business opportunities.

MessageGate emerged from efforts by Boeing engineers who had developed the technology four years ago to control junk e-mail, or spam, that flooded the aerospace manufacturer's networks. Boeing gets about 10 million spam messages a month.

One research firm -- The Radicati Group, based in Palo Alto, Calif. -- estimates companies will spend $2.4 billion by 2007 on anti-spam products.

After realizing the potential market for a spam product, Boeing decided to pair with venture firm Polaris Venture Partners and Northwest Venture Associates, who vested MessageGate with more than $5 million in funding. Boeing continues to hold a minority stake in MessageGate.

The companies tapped David Weld -- a former Microsoft executive who himself was one of the original crop of Baby Bill entrepreneurs -- to head MessageGate, which has about 20 employees.

It's not your typical start-up, said Weld, a former president of Seattle-based Loudeye Technology and founder of two start-ups. "It's not five smart guys in a garage," he said. "This was built by Boeing, and that carries a lot of weight."

The technology evaluates the sender, content and context of the message to help determine its suitability, Weld said. It can be configured to be broad or narrow, depending on the company's policies and definitions of "spam," and any messages identified as junk can be quarantined for personal review.

The technology also allows network administrators to track and retain messages to meet various federal requirements regarding internal and external communications.

But analysts said they are most interested in its plans to roll out a product this year that works not just on e-mail, but instant-messaging services and text messaging over wireless devices as well.

"It's a pretty crowded space at this point," said Masha Khmartseva, senior analyst with The Radicati Group, noting vendors including Brightmail and SurfControl. But the instant-message and wireless-messaging capabilities would be different, she said. "There's always room for that. ... It's a big plus."

The Boeing lineage will also be a powerful asset for MessageGate, said Robert Mahowald, research manager at research firm IDC.

"In the software market, word of mouth is the number one reason people buy products," he said.

MessageGate is only the third spinoff from Boeing Ventures, Adams said. The others are an AVChem, a chemical management company in St. Charles, Mo.; and an underwater survey services venture with FuGro GeoServices Inc. and Oceaneering International, both in Houston.

But spinoffs -- and spin-ins, in which a service used in one Boeing division is expanded to be used by other divisions -- are only one purpose for Boeing Ventures, Adams said.

Boeing wants to provide employees with business training and skills that can help them return to their jobs with a more entrepreneurial sense of how to solve problems, he said.

For Boeing, the spinoffs aren't expected to boost the bottom line much. For a company that brings in on average $1 billion a week, Adams said: "It's pretty unlikely that one of these spinouts is going to move the needle here."


Related URL: messagegate.com 

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To: Uncle Frank who started this subject8/26/2003 11:15:25 AM
From: Mike Buckley   of 54800
 
Siebel has settled the suit by the public pension fund alleging misuse of stock options. It'll cost up to $900,000 to reimburse the fund's legal fees. Siebel also agreed to disclose the value of options provided to directors and the five highest-paid employees and to disclose the criteria used by the board's compensation committee, as well as other changes.

quote.fool.com 

--Mike Buckley

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To: Mike Buckley who wrote (54307)8/26/2003 11:28:01 AM
From: Uncle Frank   of 54800
 
That should stop some of the bad publicity, but is there any indication that Siebel will modify its practices to be more shareholder favorable?

uf

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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (54308)8/26/2003 12:56:22 PM
From: Mike Buckley   of 54800
 
Frank,

<<is there any indication that Siebel will modify its practices to be more shareholder favorable?>>

I think the first step is to inform shareholders about the practices. That's an outcome of the settlement. Whether or not those practices are indeed shareholder-favorable, that's up to the investors to decide.

As an example, I read an article today that Dell was buying back its shares in the mid-$30s when the stock was in its low teens. That's thanks to management's decision to sell puts. My understanding is that most of the big tech companies sell puts, including Qualcomm. I've never been in favor of selling puts to buy stock because that is not the core competency of high tech companies and because so many have proven to be inept at it. Yet most shareholders seem to believe that it's always good when a company buys back its stock.

--Mike Buckley

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To: Mike Buckley who wrote (54309)8/26/2003 7:18:37 PM
From: hueyone   of 54800
 
Here is the article:

Dell's Hollow Share Buybacks

fool.com 

Snip: Dell's problems are twofold. The first is that the company's employee stock option grants and option purchase plans have been so generous that most of the value created by its business gets redistributed from shareholders to employees. The second problem has been its policy of repurchasing shares at high prices to combat share dilution.

Dell is repurchasing shares at all kinds of prices to offset share dilution from employee stock option exercise. Really, issuing lots of employee stock options and then repurchasing the shares with company money is a sly way of hiding the expense of employee stock options from shareholders, keeping this expense off the books while keeping reported per share earnings up. Yet much of Dell's vaunted reported "free" cash flow has disappeared in to these buybacks even as overall share count has actually increased. In sum, the company has never retained the supposed wealth that investors thought it was generating. The game did wonders for the stock price though.

Here is another article making similar points that does not require a fool membership:

The High Cost of Dell's Stock Option Program

thestreet.com 

JMO, Huey

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