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To: beats_the_s_p500 who wrote (160)6/17/2000 12:15:00 PM
From: THOMAS GOODRICH   of 216
 
Investors should carefully read SmallStockForum's disclaimer. They have received compensation from Virgil Williams to promote VGAM and they may also be buying and selling the stock.

A recent article from the San Diego Union Tribune follows:

"For Virtual Gaming, life is like a house of cards

DON BAUDER
San Diego Union-Tribune library researcher Denise Davidson assisted with this column.
05-May-2000 Friday

Escondido's Virtual Gaming Enterprises has filed government papers to become a fully reporting company -- and it's clear that it should not be named Virtuous Gaming Enterprises.

The Internet gambling company, based in a home on Seascape Glen, averred in its 10KSB filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission that it "is not currently involved in litigation."

The company had been the subject of an SEC probe "regarding a cease-and-desist proceeding and stop-order proceeding" for possible violations of securities laws, says the filing. But without admitting or
denying the SEC's charges, the company agreed to stop committing any violations, says the filing.

But that's news to the SEC. "There has been no enforcement action," says Kelly Bowers, SEC official in Los Angeles.

It is a matter of public record that the SEC has been looking into Virtual Gaming Enterprises. "We issued a subpoena and got a court to enforce the subpoena," says Bowers. As reported here last year, a federal judge found
the company in contempt for not providing documents.

Yesterday, the company's chief executive, Virgil Williams, was perplexed by the SEC's statement. He called his lawyer, as did I, but by day's end, there was no explanation.

There are other provocative nuggets in the company's SEC filing. "In October 1995, a federal district court found Mr. Williams liable for securities fraud and ordered him to pay a joint and several judgment of $26,987,721," confesses the 10KSB.

This was for his role in the notorious Alco International Group caper. The main villain was former San Diego stock manipulator Melvin Lloyd Richards,who went to prison for two years over Alco matters, and a month after
emerging last January was sent back to prison as a securities fraud recidivist.

Williams claims he was only on the Alco board for a few months, and made procedural mistakes that got him included in the final judgment.

Then, according to the 10KSB, Williams filed for (Chapter 7) bankruptcy in 1997. "It was precipitated by the judgment," he says.

The attorney who won the judgment, Daniel J. Mogin, says, "A fraud judgment is not dischargeable in bankruptcy," and besides, he was never notified of
Williams' Chapter 7. "You can't have a secret bankruptcy. You have to give notice to creditors." Mogin says Williams has paid none of the judgment.

According to the 10KSB filing, Williams' wife, Brenda, is the only other official of the company, serving as secretary and treasurer. In 1999, he made $165,000 and she made $64,167 although the company at that point had
never had any revenues and had a cumulative deficit of $331,719.

She went into bankruptcy at the same time he did. According to the 10KSB,they had both attended Ambassador College in Pasadena, a now-defunct religious institution affiliated with the Worldwide Church of God.

In recent months, the company has pumped out news releases announcing its purchases of new Internet gambling sites. It now has a sports book,simulated casinos, etc., and had its first revenues ($25,000) last month,says Williams.

There is one mystery. Recently, several people have received offers to buy restricted stock in Virtual Gaming for $3 at the time that unrestricted stock was selling between $10 and $20. Williams claims that he did a stock
option deal with a Bangkok company, and that company then did a deal with a Florida brokerage that is peddling the cheap stock, and he wants it stopped.

Philip M. Harrison of American Express Financial Advisors told his client,Walter Pagels, not to nibble on the $3 offering. Pagels turned down the deal, and a telemarketer called back: "He got abusive, (and) said, `You
don't have the backbone to do this,' and hung up," recalls Pagels.

Don Bauder's email address is don.bauder@uniontrib.com"

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To: THOMAS GOODRICH who wrote (161)6/17/2000 9:36:00 PM
From: beats_the_s_p500   of 216
 
Thomas your facts are incorrect! They received nothing from Virgil Williams, but were paid $1,000.00 for the profile and listing on the site for four months by a third party!

Your months and years behind on things! By they way more PR and a much broader IR campaign is on the way! At these prices VGAM looks very attractive!


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To: beats_the_s_p500 who wrote (162)6/18/2000 1:21:00 PM
From: THOMAS GOODRICH   of 216
 
I believe the recent editorials and SEC involvement in VGAM speaks for itself. The fact that anyone paid anything for touting on a web site whether or not it came in the form of cash or equity from the principals, the company or a related third party should be regarded as suspicious. I am aware of the "much broader IR campaign on the way" and in fact know some of the substance. What I find particularly disturbing is when a publicly traded company issues PR claiming ownership in stuff they have no ownership rights to IMO should be perceived as a Red Flag to investors. Perhaps the company has turned over a new leaf in the last thirty days or so, if so please let me know!<g>

P.S. Have you changed your alias on SI?

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To: THOMAS GOODRICH who wrote (163)6/18/2000 2:07:00 PM
From: beats_the_s_p500   of 216
 
I go to thecasinothemepark.com  and I seem to be able to pull up numerous casino's that do work!

As for touting, you miss-construe things again, it is a simple profile on VGAM no BUY SELL or anything else!

The SEC involvement funny according to the editorial you posted there is no formal anything going on! The SEC issued a subpoena for documents perating to the former principals of Interbet, the documents were not turned over timely a Judge issued a contempt order and that has been complied with! Lets not forget the SEC Fraud suite against former principal of Interbet and I believe more serious actions by the DOJ against these same individuals!

Go do some more DD and come back and tells what you come up with! Your facts are not straight, as was Don Bauders stupidity in using a certain individaul as a source of info who was under Indictement for Fraud himself! That same individual plead Guilty to the same charges and now has a Jail term to serve. Think about it Thomas, you just can't always believe what you read can you? That goes for filings, editorials and what TV has to same as well!

Just look at SNMM raided almost a year ago and what was the outcome? NOTHING so Far has there?

Just my 2c's and no I've never posted under any other alias on SI!

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To: beats_the_s_p500 who wrote (164)6/19/2000 1:51:00 PM
From: THOMAS GOODRICH   of 216
 
I've been able to corroborate amongst other sources that Don Bauder's San Diego Tribune article is credible. Recall that a few a months ago I was very bullish and supportive of VGAM, however after intensive due diligence I am now of the opinion involvement in this company at any level is extremely risky. I don't at all disagree with you on the legitimacy of simple profiles in exchange for cash or equity, however VGAM goes well beyond that realm.



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To: THOMAS GOODRICH who wrote (165)6/19/2000 3:41:00 PM
From: beats_the_s_p500   of 216
 
I don't know about going far beyond that realm but, I agree that this is the OTC and the securities traded here are speculative in nature. I found Bauders article interesting to say the least. It's the first time I've seen the SEC say a settlement hadn't happened. On the other hand who is VGAM's legal counsel that drafted the 10q's and 10K for VGAM? I do like VGAM's sites and I appreciate your posting's about this industry! It is young and there are bound to be growing pains!

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To: beats_the_s_p500 who wrote (166)7/11/2000 11:50:35 AM
From: THOMAS GOODRICH   of 216
 
It appears VGAM may be bottoming out and whether it's a good speculative idea to be nibbling at this level I really don't know. Anyone know what Virgil Williams is up to of late? I suspect most of the new unrestrictees have already liquidated by now. While the stock returning to the $10 level looks doubtful IMO, there could be somewhat of a bounce on a barrage of press releases.

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To: THOMAS GOODRICH who wrote (167)7/11/2000 1:20:45 PM
From: beats_the_s_p500   of 216
 
I think your current short term analysis could be correct. As for if those restricted shares were sold who knows, don't really care except that the new stock should help stabilize the volatility a bit. Last i check VGAM was up to 139,000 free trading shares which is really small. It's been quite some time since VGAM has released any news so something should come along.

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To: beats_the_s_p500 who wrote (168)7/17/2000 2:39:07 PM
From: Michael McKnight   of 216
 
Well my restricted shares are still restricted until Sept.
Does anyone have any idea how many restricted shares were sold? And has anyone heard from Virgil Williams lately?

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To: Michael McKnight who wrote (169)7/18/2000 12:13:02 PM
From: THOMAS GOODRICH   of 216
 
Virgil must be on a Mexican Siesta or something as there has been no recent news. There are probably about 500,000 shares outstanding and this number may have increased slightly with the most recent offering. The fact there remains more sellers in the offing may cause a depression in the share price for a while longer. In actuality all VGAM needs is a couple of strong performers out of the eighteen or so web sites supposedly online to turn in good performance. The fact that the Kyl Bill is dead for at least another several months also works to the company's advantage.

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