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To: Patrick J Moylan who wrote (57391)3/9/2006 8:21:49 PM
From: xcr600   of 57583
 
I didnt know radical Islam wanted to change America. Have you read Bin Laden's declaration of war? I bet less than .5% of all American's have. It's worth a read to help understand what drives our "enemies". (there's nothing in there about changing America per se, but plenty about changing American foreign policy. That's a big difference.)

One other factor that's been ignored in the recent posts here is Israel and the Palestinean issue. Giving the jews carte blanche all this years has made us plenty of enemies in the ME. (btw, Congress has yet to recognize the Israeli nuclear program. if they did, they'd have to cut funding to Israel as it was developed clandestinely.)

with the soire into Iraq, there are no easy answers for a generation or two. sad.

(recommended reading: "Through Our Enemies Eyes") full of insight and info

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To: Michael Hart who wrote (57400)3/9/2006 11:54:33 PM
From: Rande Is   of 57583
 
Yes, perhaps I was a bit harsh on the SI'rs. . .Sorry. I conversed with Dave about it. . .not sure who is who there anymore. Anyway, he pointed out that we had a problem a while back with too much partisan posting and that THAT more than anything was the problematic area that needed attention.

So if you guys want to keep this board about investments, then we need to restrict political and government posting to non-partisan posts. That means politically charged posts can not lean toward one view, while emotion is removed. Geopolitical subjects are all fine, provided there is not an underlying effort to promote one political side or another.

I have a bit of trouble with the emotion part myself, because EVERYTHING about politics is becoming rather infuriating to me these days. Feeling a bit like Mr. Smith.

The alternative is starting a political / government HOME thread here. . . and keep this board for investment. I am open to your suggestions, so long as it leads toward a solution that is reasonable to all. Please keep opinions about individual posters to private.

I am going home to Nashville, but will check in over the weekend.

Thanks,

Rande Is

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To: Rock_nj who wrote (57395)3/10/2006 1:29:39 PM
From: tsigprofit   of 57583
 
2nd your idea of disengagement..and getting in further via Iran will only make things much worse - better to spend the money in the US on renewables.

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To: Patrick J Moylan who wrote (57391)3/10/2006 10:37:18 PM
From: SteveinTX   of 57583
 
To make it simple, assume the US could, all of sudden, produce enough cheap fuel (probably bio diesel) to internally satisfy all domestic transportation needs. What would happen?

As you stated, our interest in the mideast might revert to zero over night. Also, the worldwide price of oil would plummet, to what level I don't know, but assume it would be quite low.

The biggest winner in that scenario? In my opinion, China.

China is patiently putting the infrastructure pieces in place to create a super economic and military power Unlimited cheap oil would simply help them to do it faster. Who knows where that would lead, in terms of US interests.

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From: dan63/13/2006 12:02:33 PM
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Interesting article on the Dubai/ports incident

Smoot-Hawley's ghost lives
By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch
Last Update: 12:01 AM ET Mar 13, 2006

ANNANDALE, Va. (MarketWatch) -- When I started monitoring the investment newsletter industry in the late 1970s, political commentary was inextricably intertwined with the letter editors' investment advice.
This partly was a function of the pro-gold orientation of most of that decade's newsletter editors, and the anti-gold stance of the U.S. government. It wasn't until well into that decade that U.S. citizens were allowed even to invest in gold, for example.
But newsletter editors' political stance traced to more than their love of gold. It also derived from a general recognition that what politicians do profoundly affects the markets.
Consistent with their free-market orientation, most of the editors espoused a Libertarian philosophy, harboring a deep distrust of both political parties.
Today, in contrast, it is the rare newsletter editor who pays more than passing attention to what the government is doing, except for the Federal Reserve's interest rate policies.
The untimely passing early this month of Harry Browne, a newsletter editor who several times was the Libertarian Party's candidate for President, symbolizes the difference between the average newsletter editor today and from three decades ago. ( Read Peter Brimelow's tribute to Browne.)
A notable exception to this trend is John Mauldin, a money manager, author of several investment books and editor of an e-newsletter called Thoughts From the Frontline that reportedly is sent to a million readers each week.
Mauldin devoted much of his letter Friday night to the economic and investment implications of Congress' refusal to allow a company from the United Arab Emirates to purchase a U.K.-based port management firm that runs six ports in the U.S.
Mauldin concedes up front that in focusing on this issue he will "upset about 90%" of his readers. But he plows ahead nonetheless. Mauldin's worry is that this "port debacle" is more than just a "one-off thing," and instead represents a "rise in protectionism." If so, then the odds grow of a worldwide economic depression on the order of that which occurred in the 1930s.
Mauldin differentiates between a recession on the one hand and a depression on the other. The former is an inevitable part of the economic cycle, and though not comfortable by any means, is something through which we can muddle. But what could transform a run-of-the-mill recession into a full-scale Depression would be "a new wave of protectionism."
That, Mauldin reminds us, is what happened in the 1930s: "Senator Smoot and Representative Hawley infamously sponsored a bill in 1930 that raised tariffs on a variety of products in order to 'protect' American jobs. Of course, the rest of the world retaliated and soon we went from a recession into a global depression. Unemployment soared and all those jobs we 'saved' went away."
Mauldin sees many disturbing parallels between the Smoot-Hawley legislation and Congress' action last week to block the port deal. Mauldin dismisses the national security rationale with which the members of Congress blocking the deal defended their actions. "Anyone who did their homework knows that national security on any level was never at risk."
Instead, in Mauldin's opinion, the Congressional action boils down to either political posturing by both Republicans and Democrats or economic ignorance, or both.
Either way, though, Mauldin believes the economic consequences of a rise in protectionism will be the same: A worldwide reduction in trade and cross-country investment, leading to major contractions in economic growth and significant increases in unemployment.
"We have spent decades persuading nations around the world to open up their countries to investment," Mauldin writes. "And they have. We have over $10 trillion invested outside of the US, which made American firms $500 billion last year, a little under 5% of our GDP! That is about $1,600 for every man, woman and child in the US. That money gets paid out as dividends, gets invested in our economy and goes to pay our workers.
"Last year, foreigners increased their investments in the US by $1.4 trillion, in a wide variety of investments. Without those dollars, the US dollar would have collapsed, interest rates would be through the roof and we would be facing (or in!) a REAL recession, not the garden variety ones we have had since 1990."
Is Mauldin exaggerating the probabilities of a depression? As you ponder that question, consider that, according to Mauldin, some members of Congress have urged that a foreign ownership ban extend beyond just the running of U.S. ports to "roads, telecommunications, airlines, broadcasting, shipping, technology firms, water facilities, buildings, real estate and even US Treasury securities."
And place yourself in the shoes of foreign politicians, who must pander to their constituencies just as U.S. politicians do. How likely is that they will respond favorably to U.S. calls to keep their markets open to U.S. investors?
For the record, Mauldin himself believes "that this will simmer down... But if things keep going on this trend, we will look back from the dark times and point to this deal and realize this is where the lights started to go out." End of Story

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To: dan6 who wrote (57383)3/14/2006 1:10:28 PM
From: shadowman   of 57583
 
Although there are many different "extenuating circumstances", the Chinese attempt to buy Conoco also raised similar national security questions.

The idea that forbidding that purchase might hurt future foreign investment in the US didn't seem to be much of a factor (at least among the pundits) in that decision.

I think the idea that not allowing Dubai to make this particular investment would send some kind of serious negative signal to potential foreign investors is a political red herring. In political parlance, a CYA balloon.

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To: Rock_nj who wrote (57375)3/14/2006 3:51:37 PM
From: Bucky Katt   of 57583
 
Treasury Secretary John Snow warns Congress: US government's cash running out>>>>


Treasury Secretary John Snow urged Congress to set aside partisan bickering and raise the US national debt ceiling this week, or face a disastrous cash crunch for the federal government.

In a speech here to a conference of regional bankers, Snow said it would be inconceivable for Congress not to pass legislation on the debt limit before it heads into a recess at the end of this week.

"I am urging members of Congress in the strongest possible terms to resist coupling an increase in the debt ceiling with other issues," Snow said.

"Rather, they should vote to raise the ceiling this week. It would be unthinkable for them not to take action," he said, warning that the "full faith and credit" of the US government was too precious to be compromised.

Snow has issued increasingly urgent warnings to Congress that the statutory debt limit of 8.184 trillion dollars will be hit this week, and that the government will then lose its borrowing power.

Once the US government reaches the ceiling, it comes under threat of defaulting on its debts and can lose the ability to raise future credit on the capital markets.

Last week, Snow said new issues of federal debt instruments would only raise enough cash to keep government operations financed until mid-March.

But Democratic members of Congress are said to be balking at increasing the debt limit unless the administration of President George W. Bush, which has overseen a huge rise in the US budget deficit, curbs its appetite for funds.

"We have to remember that current federal borrowing needs today are simply the product of past decisions," Snow said in his speech.

"While we always welcome a debate on budget priorities, swift action on the debt limit must still be taken this week.

"There should be no doubt over whether the government will be able to pay its bills on time, this time next week."

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To: Bucky Katt who wrote (57407)3/15/2006 2:56:53 PM
From: Bucky Katt   of 57583
 
When the dollar dumps v the Ruble, ouch>
Dollar plummets nearly 20 kopecks ahead of U.S. economic update

MOSCOW. March 15 (Interfax) - The dollar plummeted almost 20 kopecks against the ruble on Wednesday as it weakened internationally on fears that the latest statistics will show that U.S. industrial growth slowed and investment in the country's assets declined in January.

Dealers said the Central Bank of Russia again strengthened the ruble against its bi-currency basket on Wednesday, also contributing to the dollar's slide.

By 11.20 a.m. local time, the dollar was down 19.5 kopecks to 27.835 rubles/$1 on the Moscow Interbank Currency Exchange (MICEX). Trading volume topped $1.11 billion, including Today and Tom deals.

The ruble hardly moved against the euro, trading at 33.5 rubles/ EUR1. pr

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To: Bucky Katt who wrote (57407)3/16/2006 12:22:15 PM
From: Bucky Katt   of 57583
 
The Senate voted Thursday to allow the national debt to swell to nearly $9 trillion, preventing a first-ever default on U.S. Treasury notes.

The bill passed by a 52-48 vote. The increase to $9 trillion represents about $30,000 for every man, woman and child in the United States. The bill now goes to President Bush for his signature.

The measure allows the government to pay for the war in Iraq and finance Medicare and other big federal programs without raising taxes. It passed hours before the House was expected to approve another $91 billion to fund the war in Iraq and provide more aid to hurricane victims.

The partisan vote also came as the Senate continued debate on a $2.8 trillion budget blueprint for the upcoming fiscal year that would produce a $359 billion deficit for the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1.

The debt limit will increase by $781 billion. It's the fourth such move _ increasing the debt limit by a total of $3 trillion _ since Bush took office five years ago.

The vote came a day after Treasury Secretary John Snow warned lawmakers that action was "critical to provide certainty to financial markets that the integrity of the obligations of the United States will not be compromised."

On Thursday, Treasury postponed next week's auction of three-month and six-month bills pending Senate action, though the move was likely to be quickly reversed given the Senate's vote.

The present limit on the debt is $8.2 trillion. With the budget deficit expected to approach $400 billion for both this year and next, another increase in the debt limit will almost certainly be required next year.

The debt limit increase is an unhappy necessity _ the alternative would be a disastrous first-ever default on U.S. obligations _ that greatly overshadowed a mostly symbolic, weeklong debate on the GOP's budget resolution.

Democrats blasted the bill, saying it was needed because of fiscal mismanagement by Bush, who came to office when the government was running record surpluses.

"When it comes to deficits, this president owns all the records," said Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "The three largest deficits in our nation's history have all occurred under this administration's watch."

Only a handful of Republicans spoke in favor of the measure as a mostly empty Senate chamber conducted a brief debate Wednesday evening.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, said Bush's tax cuts account for just 30 percent of the debt limit increases required during his presidency. Revenue losses from a recession and new spending to combat terrorism and for the war in Iraq are also responsible, he said.

As for the $781 billion increase in the debt limit, Grassley said: "It is necessary to preserve the full faith and credit of the federal government."

Before approving the bill, Republicans rejected by a 55-44 vote an amendment by Max Baucus, D-Mont., to mandate a Treasury study on the economic consequences of foreigners holding an increasing portion of the U.S. debt.

At present, foreign countries, central banks and other institutions hold more than one-fourth of the debt, but that percentage is growing rapidly.

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To: Rande Is who wrote (57402)4/9/2006 4:20:51 PM
From: tsigprofit   of 57583
 
Discussion of the weekend revelation that Bush is planning nuclear first stikes on Iran here:
Message 22341628

if anyone would like to join in.

I view this as a very dangerous development.

I was listening to a conservative talk radio host this last week, and he was saying that the government is supposed to get it's power from the people - yet I do not believe the American public would support an attack yet on another country - this time a nuclear first-strike.

This would make the US a pariah state.

What happens if the world embargoes oil to the US? What does that do to our economy?

And what if they stop lending us money on our massive debt?

What next, nuke China? Russia? N. Korea? Syria? France?

Where does the madness stop?

How long until the American people rise up and say ENOUGH - we want you out - someone else take over, be it Republican or Democrat.

I would support a forced resignation of Bush and Cheney and their administration at this point - with McCain taking over possibly, or Hastert as President.

We are sliding toward dictatorship with Bush at this point - and I am afraid he will so damage us, that we will not recover for decades.

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