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To: SiouxPal who wrote (34952)8/19/2011 3:32:23 PM
From: Wharf Rat of 35607
 

I'll tell you what I told SS...

I wish I was closer. I need to be arrested again so that I can be a positive role model for my granddaughters.

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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (34947)8/21/2011 10:09:33 PM
From: ponokee of 35607
 
British Columbia Bans Uranium Exploration and Mining

In a surprise move yesterday, the Government of British Columbia announced a complete ban on uranium and thorium exploration and mining in the province. This move reinforces a long-standing unofficial ban that was in place after an earlier seven year moratorium on exploring for uranium expired in 1987.

That ban was put in place primarily due to the concerns for public health expressed by the Britsh Columbia Medical Association.

BC's ban brings fresh hope to those in West Quebec who would like to see a similar ban here. It shows there is a current precedence for banning the exploration and mining of this toxic substance. It joins the enlightened uranium-free ranks of Nova Scotia and the Nunatsiavut (Inuit Lands) in Newfoundland and Labrador.

For more information see:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080425.RURANIUM25/TPStory/Business

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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (34947)8/21/2011 10:10:24 PM
From: ponokee of 35607
 
The Windy Craggy Experience

Mary Page Webster

I first learned of the Windy Craggy copper-cobalt deposit when I was a student working towards my degree in Geology. Geddes Resources Ltd. was exploring the property and the president of Geddes (my father) showed me some surface samples. The massive sulphides in the samples indicated that Windy Craggy was one of the most important mineral finds in North America.

Windy Craggy is in the Tatshenshini Area of Northwestern British Columbia, about an hour west of Whitehorse by helicopter. The area is isolated with no ready surface access, and no permanent residents. It is not prime hunting and fishing territory. In fact, the only person working a trapline in the area at the time it was explored was a man named Yurg Hoffer, who had emigrated from Switzerland. His trapline extended along the west side of the Haines Road from about the Yukon Border to the Alaska border near Haines—a distance of about 40 miles. The scenery in the area is typical of the Rocky Mountains which extend northwest through Alaska, and south through the western United States and into Mexico.

My first visit to Windy Craggy was as part of an exploration team several years after I graduated. I spent much of the next 10 years working in the area, including in the Yukon and BC. For four of these years I was exploration manager for Geddes Resources.

In that time, Geddes spent a total of about $50 million on exploration. However, neither the company, nor its investors, nor BC workers, nor Canadians in general will ever benefit from the work done to discover and delineate the massive copper reserve or any of the other ore bodies that most certainly exist in the area. Instead, these reserves are today part of a 5 million hectare United Nations World Heritage Site—by far the largest World Heritage Site in North America.

The excluded mineral deposits in the Tatshenshini area are among the largest known in the world. The Ministry of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources placed a value of $15 billion on metal contained in the Windy Craggy deposit. Geddes Re-sources' estimate was $8.5 billion. (These figures are based on the probable and proven reserves without taking into consideration the extensions and indicated reserves of Windy Craggy).

The economic contribution of the mine would have been immense. The Commission on Resources and Environment of British Columbia indicated that initial capital investment would have been $550 million, plus an annual average expenditure of $150 million. Employment would have included 500 direct jobs plus another 1,500 indirect jobs. Some estimates gave the mine a minimum life of 50 years. Geddes estimated the gross direct taxes to federal and provincial coffers at almost $1.3 billion. The Ministry's estimate was even higher—$1.6 billion. All those billions of dollars were tied to Windy Craggy alone. Many millions of acres remain unexplored.

What happened next? Premier Harcourt's government introduced project review legislation and this, of course, introduced elements of uncertainty into Geddes' plans for Windy Craggy and every other mining project in British Columbia.

Initially, the review process was to be completed in just a few months. In fact, it ran for years and was never completed. My initial perception of how long the process would take was based on what the government termed the "one window" approach. This was supposed to streamline the permitting process. However, the process was not streamlined at all. Instead, we learned that Geddes Resources would have to meet US environmental standards as well as Canadian federal and BC provincial standards.

The lack of readily available government data proved to be another obstacle. In order to obtain what was considered basic information needed to complete the reviews, I ended up installing and personally managing the first weather, seismic, and river gauge stations in the region. Topographic maps were not available, as the region was classified as unsurveyed, and many times, at the company's expense, my geologic talents were drawn upon to count goats, moose, and wolves many miles away from the deposit itself.

During this period the company's capital was tied up and our investors were at a great disadvantage. In addition, the review process took a major portion of executive time and added hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs for lawyers, experts, support staff and travel.

Many submissions were delivered to the governments. However, the press soon reported that Sheila Copps, in consultation with US Vice-President Al Gore, had endorsed the creation of a massive World Heritage Site.

When this announcement was made, it was beyond my comprehension that the BC, US, and Canadian governments really wanted to close to any development an area the size of Vancouver Island. Moreover, they did so without any public discussions or hearings, without parliamentary debate, and with only minimal last minute discussions with First Nations.

What happened to Windy Craggy is indicative of a trend against the mining and investment industries in North America—a trend that is also producing some unpleasant consequences.

To begin with, the unique mineral deposits in the Tatshenshini area—among the largest known in the world—are now part of a World Heritage Site under the control of bureaucrats appointed by a UN agency. This "taking" without fair process and without good reason has led mining company managers, who are responsible to their shareholders, to shift the bulk of their exploration planning and budgets out of BC. This has resulted in much of Canada's exploration and mining expertise finding its way abroad—to areas as far away as the former Soviet Union, Latin America, China, and sub-Saharan Africa. Some exploration continues, of course, by companies with BC government-assisted financing or by companies with large operations, such as smelters, which obviously cannot be moved. Many companies also maintain a minimal presence in B.C. in the hope that someday an electorate more receptive to mineral exploration, responsible policies, and employment will return a like-minded government to power.

Mining companies cannot shut down existing programs overnight, but the number of jobs in mining in British Columbia will certainly continue to decline as reserves are depleted and new mines are not developed to replace them. In contrast, spending on exploration in the Yukon has exploded as exploration expenditures have fallen in BC.

There has been an unprecedented demand for Canadian exploration and mining expertise overseas in jurisdictions which have managed to have both ongoing exploration programs and tough environmental rules. These areas are already marketing the minerals discovered and produced using Canadian expertise and capital. Offshore producers are filling the void left by a declining Canadian mining industry and are meeting the world demand for metals.

What have Canadians gained from the establishment of this World Heritage Site? Very little. The world now has an immense park one hour by helicopter from Whitehorse. But don't go to the airport in Whitehorse and expect to be able to charter a flight to see or visit it. You have to apply for a permit to fly into the area.

On the other hand, what have we lost from the establishment of this World Heritage Site? We have lost access to a major coastal mineral terrain which extends North and South through Alaska. The loss of this area most certainly will have long term implications for Canada's competitive position as a supplier of resources in the world market.

Mining itself represents only about 5 percent of the province's economic activity, but without mining and the encouragement to develop new and large mines, all industries that support it . . . will suffer immensely

The mining industry is both expected, and indeed required, to open its books and offer full disclosure to the public in the form of discussions, reporting, research, and hearings prior to receiving permission to open a mine. In creating the new mega World Heritage Site, the governments involved acted behind closed doors, held no open hearings, and requested no submissions from the general public. Such action does not generate investor confidence in BC's mining industry, nor are citizens afforded the opportunity to understand the benefits and detriments of such government action, nor given an opportunity to provide their input.

More than one such major Canadian resource and a possible deep water Canadian port that we will need in the years ahead is now under the jurisdiction of a committee appointed by UNESCO—a committee that does not necessarily have Canadian participation. There was no Canadian representative on the committee in 1994 when this unnecessary expropriation took place.

I am well aware that there have been instances of irresponsibility involving the mining industry and the environment over the decades. Some of this was out of ignorance. Some was out of greed. But it was not out of malice; people in the mining industry bear no malice towards Mother nature. Everyone has learned a great deal over the years. All one has to do is look around the province. In many areas mining coexists with other land uses.

We can always hope that at some point the public and the politicians will reverse their decision and allow the unique mineral wealth of the Tatshen-shini region to be developed responsibly and in the best interests of everyone. What is unique about the Tatshenshini region is its tremendous mineral wealth.

The Tatshenshini World Heritage Site is bi-national; it sits mainly in Canada, but includes portions of Alaska to the north and south. The site was proposed by the BC premier's office, and was endorsed by the Prime Minister's office. The American park was established with the concurrence of the executive branch of the US federal government. In other words, almost no locally elected officials on either side of the border were involved in the creation of the massive UN protectorate. World Heritage Sites undoubtedly have a place. But prior to their designation, there is a place for public hearings so that all parties and interest groups can be heard and make a difference.

The total area of British Columbia is approximately 95 million hectares. All the mines ever developed in British Columbia total less that one-tenth of one percent of the this total land mass. In other words, you could tuck all the land disturbed by mining into a corner of the greater Vancouver area.

Provincial and national parks, on the other hand, total about 6 percent of the province. Without new exploration and access to land, our mining industry will languish. Mining itself represents only about 5 percent of the province's economic activity, but without mining and the encouragement to develop new and large mines, all industries that support it, such as transportation, utilities, banking, and the service sectors ranging from catering to equipment manufacturing and sales, will suffer immensely.

It is time that mining antagonists realized that miners today are not despoilers of resources, but rather, the facilitaors of responsible natural resource management and the creators of wealth.

oldfraser.lexi.net 

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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (34947)8/21/2011 10:11:38 PM
From: ponokee of 35607
 
Impaired driving

Mug shot of Gordon Campbell in Hawaii

In January 2003, Campbell was arrested and pled no contest for driving under the influence of alcohol while vacationing in Hawaii. According to court records Campbell's blood-alcohol level was more than twice the legal limit. In Hawaii, drunk driving is only a misdemeanour, in Canada it is a Criminal Code offence. As is customary in the United States, Campbell's mugshot was provided to the media by Hawaiian police. The image has proved to be a lasting personal embarrassment, frequently used by detractors and opponents. Campbell was fined $913 (US) and the court ordered him to take part in a substance abuse program, and to be assessed for alcoholism.

A national anti-drinking and driving group, Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) Canada called for Campbell to resign.

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (34941)8/21/2011 10:15:24 PM
From: ponokee of 35607
 

Former U.S. vice-president Al Gore has devoted his post-political life to advocating international action against climate change.
    Rex Murphy, National Post · Aug. 20, 2011 | Last Updated: Aug. 20, 2011 3:06 AM ET

    For those who have a wish to hear the grating sound of a man distempered and frustrated that the cause for which he has given at least a decade of his time, the "greatest moral challenge of our time," is lost, I recommend listening to Al Gore as he was captured during an address at an Aspen global warming conference two weeks ago. It is a revelation.

    Mr. Gore is not a happy Jeremiah. You hear him on the tape near rage, repeatedly shouting "bulls--t" over the arguments of his critics. He raves about conspiracy - a rebirth of the tactics of the dreaded tobacco industry of a few decades back. He blames "media manipulation" for the refusal of people to take up his gloomy summons. He hisses at "volcanoes and sunspots" as having much or anything to do with climate. "Bulls--!" he cries over and over - perhaps it's the methane content that has him mesmerized with the word. Listen to this aria: "They pay pseudo-scientists to pretend to be scientists to put out the message: 'This climate thing, it's nonsense. Man-made CO2 doesn't trap heat. It may be volcanoes.' Bulls-t! 'It may be sun spots.' Bulls--t! 'It's not getting warmer.' Bulls--t!"

    Can a person win the Nobel Peace prize twice? I surely hope so, for this is the E=mc² moment of our green time.

    It is not a pretty display. The question the sorry little rant calls up is whether, in its way, this temper fit was a signal that the great global warming crusade, that has had such a sweet run for the last decade or more, is finally over. Has it run, so to speak, out of gas?

    The signs are everywhere that it has. Here in Canada, for example, how far are we from those days when Stéphane Dion was the freshly-minted leader of the Liberal party, having ascended to that dubious altitude largely on the pledge that he was going to build a "green" Canada. It was telling that within the Liberal party at that time featly to a drastic and nebulous green agenda was enough to grab the leadership prize away from the perceived stronger candidates, Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff. As so often happens, however, much as they are embraced by celebrities and touted by inside "experts," when so-called green politics are placed before the people those politics and the people who espouse them are forcefully rejected.

    Some five or so years later, not a little of Stephen Harper's success in gaining a majority government came from refusing to engage, in any serious and convincing manner, with the politics of the planet-savers. Political correctness dictates some tepid genuflection towards the obsession with a warming planet, but Harper - and people know this - can be counted on not to jump on the carbon-counting express. He can be counted on to not bend in the face of the manufactured fury presented by professional activists and environmentalists, either to slow or stop the oil sands or introduce some ludicrous and wasteful "tax" on carbon dioxide. And while it may be a footnote to the national trend, Rob Ford's election as mayor of Toronto can also be read, in part, as a rebuke to the previous mayor's incessant tinkering with "environmental" measures - from plastic bag surcharges to bike lanes - at the expense of more basic municipal functions.

    These are merely the local Canadian signals. But one can skip the globe and find almost everywhere that govern-ments, staring at the reality of recession and financial anxiety, have given up on their vague projections of green economics. Where is President Obama, who promised that on his accession "the rise of the oceans will start to slow and the planet begin to heal?" - surely the most fatuous declaration in the history of politics. Well, he appears to be giving speeches every second day, but none of them feature the retreating oceans or our healed planet.

    In fact he's been tooling around in a $2-million bus oblivious of the carbon costs, and there simply hasn't been any signal that his White House is giving the great Gore crusade anything but the barest of rhetorical support. If there were any political value to ardent greensmanship, surely a President who is floundering on the economy and sinking in the polls would have grabbed that raft with a passion.

    But there isn't anymore. Perhaps the recession has tamed the imaginations of most people and their governments. In tight economic times people are naturally unwilling to engage in the comicbook fantasies of the wilder environmentalists. Perhaps Climategate gave a too-souring glimpse into the mixture of science and advocacy that has, to some extent, corrupted both. Perhaps, finally, the unctuousness, sanctimony and sputtering righteousness of the highprofile environmentalists signal to most observers that they aren't really as certain of all this "science" as they pretend to be. Either way this long green game has lost its fundamental energies. The celebrities will find another wristband; the politicians will find a new vague distraction.

    For that, Mr. Gore himself has a lot of blame to carry. His own "sputtering righteousness" and his adolescent barks of "bulls--t" to his critics may be a reverse of the Obama declaration. Gore's meltdown might just be the moment when the people of the planet saw the carney show for what it was.

    Political correctness dictates some tepid genuflection towards the obsession with a warming planet, but Harper - and people know this - can be counted on not to jump on the carbon-counting express. He can be counted on to not bend in the face of the manufactured fury presented by professional activists and environmentalists, either to slow or stop the oil sands or introduce some ludicrous and wasteful "tax" on carbon dioxide. And while it may be a footnote to the national trend, Rob Ford's election as mayor of Toronto can also be read, in part, as a rebuke to the previous mayor's incessant tinkering with "environmental" measures - from plastic bag surcharges to bike lanes - at the expense of more basic municipal functions.

    These are merely the local Canadian signals. But one can skip the globe and find almost everywhere that govern-ments, staring at the reality of recession and financial anxiety, have given up on their vague projections of green economics. Where is President Obama, who promised that on his accession "the rise of the oceans will start to slow and the planet begin to heal?" - surely the most fatuous declaration in the history of politics. Well, he appears to be giving speeches every second day, but none of them feature the retreating oceans or our healed planet.

    In fact he's been tooling around in a $2-million bus oblivious of the carbon costs, and there simply hasn't been any signal that his White House is giving the great Gore crusade anything but the barest of rhetorical support. If there were any political value to ardent greensmanship, surely a President who is floundering on the economy and sinking in the polls would have grabbed that raft with a passion.

    But there isn't anymore. Perhaps the recession has tamed the imaginations of most people and their governments. In tight economic times people are naturally unwilling to engage in the comicbook fantasies of the wilder environmentalists. Perhaps Climategate gave a too-souring glimpse into the mixture of science and advocacy that has, to some extent, corrupted both. Perhaps, finally, the unctuousness, sanctimony and sputtering righteousness of the highprofile environmentalists signal to most observers that they aren't really as certain of all this "science" as they pretend to be. Either way this long green game has lost its fundamental energies. The celebrities will find another wristband; the politicians will find a new vague distraction.

    For that, Mr. Gore himself has a lot of blame to carry. His own "sputtering righteousness" and his adolescent barks of "bulls--t" to his critics may be a reverse of the Obama declaration. Gore's meltdown might just be the moment when the people of the planet saw the carney show for what it was.

    Rex Murphy offers commentary weekly on CBC TV's The National, and is host of CBC Radio's Cross Country Checkup.

    http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/Global+warming+runs/5281757/story.html

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    To: ponokee who wrote (34956)8/21/2011 10:21:30 PM
    From: Land Shark of 35607
     
    Gordon Campbell is no longer the premier of BC. Christy Clark is. Perhaps you'll dig up some good dirt on her. You forgot to mention Mike Harris - wife beater/drunk driver and Ralph Clown Klein the drunken homeless abuser.

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    From: Alastair McIntosh8/25/2011 9:13:14 AM
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    Message to McGuinty: Most green-job schemes have been miserable failures

    Margaret Wente From Thursday's Globe and Mail

    Dalton McGuinty has hit the campaign trail, and he’s paving it green. Earlier this month he announced that Ontario will pump $80-million into building charging stations for electric cars. “They are peppy, they are quiet, and the thing that I like best as a father, and ultimately a grandfather, I would hope, is that they’re clean,” he said. By 2020, he hopes, one out of 20 cars in Ontario will be electrically powered.

    Meantime, Costco, the giant retailer, has pulled the plug on its electric car-charging stations, which it had installed in its California parking lots. The reason is that nobody uses them. Even China – which promised it would leapfrog the world in electric-car development – is backing off.

    Ontario’s Premier believes that green energy is the magic bullet for two of our most pressing problems: global warming and job-creation. Green energy is a central plank of his election platform. He vows that wind power and solar power and other clean energy will soon create the kinds of desirable jobs and technology the auto industry once did.

    Unfortunately, his timing is horrible. The rest of the world has begun to discover that the green dream is a mirage. Across the U.S., federal, state and city governments have poured zillions into green schemes. Most have been miserable failures.

    The city of Seattle, for example, got $20-million from the U.S. Department of Energy to retrofit houses and make them more energy efficient. The money was supposed to create 2,000 jobs and retrofit at least 2,000 homes. But by this month, only three homes had been retrofitted and only 14 jobs created. Even the greens admit the program is a total flop.

    “It’s been a very slow and tedious process,” one green leader said. “It’s almost painful, the number of meetings people have gone to. Those are the people who got jobs. There’s been no real investment for the broader public.”

    In Massachusetts, the state government poured $58-million into a company called Evergreen Solar Inc. But Evergreen couldn’t compete with cheaper solar panels made in China. In March it closed its factory and laid off 800 people, and this month it declared bankruptcy. In Salinas, Calif., a company called Green Vehicles received a couple of million dollars in government grants to develop an electric car for freeways. It too went under. The mayor says the city will think twice before investing in other startups, regardless of how many jobs they’re supposed to create.

    Green projects, it turns out, don’t create many jobs, and those jobs are costly. Barack Obama recently visited a plant in Michigan to tout its investment in new battery technology. The plant got grants of $300-million, and expects to create 150 new jobs. That works out to $2-million a job. Then there’s SolFocus, a company in San Jose, Calif., that produces solar panels. The mayor called it an “enormously important” development for the city’s economy,” The New York Times reported. But the company assembles its solar panels in China, and its new headquarters employs just 90 people.

    During his 2008 campaign, Mr. Obama promised to create five million green jobs over the next decade. But as The New York Times reported last week, “federal and state efforts to stimulate creation of green jobs have largely failed.”

    Mr. McGuinty has promised to create 50,000 jobs by the end of 2012. He says 20,000 have been created so far, and that the province has attracted $20-billion in investment.

    Maybe he should take a look at Spain, which also set out to become the solar-power capital of the world. Everything went fine, so long as the subsidies kept flowing. But when the world economy went south, the Spanish government couldn’t afford them any more and pulled the plug. Bye, bye solar, and bye, bye jobs. By one reckoning, Spain spent half a million euros for each green job it created.

    The moral of the story is as clear as a row of giant wind turbines on the horizon. Governments that invest in risky, expensive and unproven technologies will probably lose big. The only way they are able to lure private investment is with generous subsidies and long-term contracts. And even then, the failure rate is high. Ontario has already attracted its share of “suitcase” companies that are here so long as the money flows, and not a moment longer. And when they go belly-up, guess who’s stuck with the bills?

    theglobeandmail.com 

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    To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (34959)8/25/2011 10:08:16 AM
    From: Land Shark of 35607
     
    • Role of government is to explore avenues that make sense, but business for odd reasons refuse to invest in (because of certain cartels etc..)...
    • Cheaper energy supplies, such as coal, don't have the real costs factored in them (environmental, health, etc.). As long as that's the case, some green technologies will not be competitive. Govt's are starting to phase out coal fire stations and this has to be replaced with something. Green energy is the solution.
    • Green technologies are in their infancy and as the technology develops they'll be competitive. Past performance is not an accurate indicator always of future performance.
    • Certain cartels (e.g. coal) want to stop this.
    • McGuinty did the right thing in shutting down the coal fire stations (Nanticoke etc.)
    • Electric cars are emerging technology. They're more efficient than the gasoline powered type. They take less maintenance. It's inevitable that they'll overtake internal combustion autos. Anyone with VISION would realize this. The anti-green cynics don't.
    That's a very cynical article. Conservatives tend to be cynical, especially when it's about doing the right thing.

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    To: Land Shark who wrote (34960)8/25/2011 4:53:12 PM
    From: Land Shark of 35607
     

    Climate cycles linked to civil war, analysis shows Changes in the global climate that cut food production triggered one-fifth of civil conflicts between 1950 and 2004


    Wednesday 24 August 2011 18.00 BST






    Cyclical climatic changes such have been linked to civil conflict. A South Sudanese man works on his farm next to an anti-aircraft gun destroyed during the 1998 war. Photograph: Antony Njuguna/Reuters

    Cyclical climatic changes double the risk of civil wars, with analysis showing that 50 of 250 conflicts between 1950 and 2004 were triggered by the El Niño cycle, according to scientists.

    Researchers connected the climate phenomenon known as El Niño, which brings hot and dry conditions to tropical nations and cuts food production, to outbreaks of violence in countries from southern Sudan to Indonesia and Peru.

    Solomon Hsiang, who led the research at Columbia University, New York, said: "We can speculate that a long-ago Egyptian dynasty was overthrown during a drought. This study shows a systematic pattern of global climate affecting conflict right now. We are still dependent on climate to a very large extent."

    Hsiang said that pre-emptive action could prevent bloodshed because El Niño events could be predicted up to two years ahead. "We hope our study may help reduce humanitarian suffering."

    Global warming caused by humans, with the continual ramping up of temperature and extreme weather, differs from the natural El Niño cycle, the scientists are careful to note.

    Mark Cane, a member of the team, said global warming would have greater climatic impacts than El Niño, making it "hard to imagine" it would not provoke conflicts.

    The scientists are beginning work to discover the factors involved in the climate-conflict link. Food is likely to be key as crop yields and incomes from agriculture are known to fall heavily in El Niño years. "When crops fail, people may take up a gun to make a living," said Hsiang.

    Other factors could include rises in unemployment and natural disasters, such as hurricanes. "Also, previous work has shown that when people get warm and uncomfortable, they are more prone to fight," said Cane.

    The research, published in Nature, uses a statistical approach to show that the risk of a conflict doubles from 3% to 6% in El Niño cycles (which occur every three to seven years) in affected nations. Unaffected nations showed no such pattern.

    The analysis shows that a fifth of the 250 civil conflicts between 1950 and 2004 were precipitated by hotter, drier weather. Differing levels of poverty, democracy and population did not alter the strength of the climate-conflict link, nor did the impact of the end of colonial rule in many countries by 1975.

    However, bad weather does appear to tip less developed countries into chaos more easily, said Hsiang, pointing to the example of southern Sudan, where intense warfare broke out in the El Niño year of 1963.

    After a flare-up in another El Niño year, 1976, a severe El Niño, in 1983, saw the start of more than 20 years of fighting, which left 2 million people dead and culminated only this year when South Sudan was formed as a separate nation.

    By contrast, Australia's climate is controlled by El Niño cycles, but has had no civil conflicts. "One hypothesis is the poorest countries lack the resources to cope with [the impacts] of El Niño," said Hsiang. "Another is that they could be physically more vulnerable to El Niño, prompting war and leading to poverty."

    Marshall Burke, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, said the research gave very convincing evidence of a connection.Andrew Solow, an environmental statistician, at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, said: "Careful statistical analyses such as this one, which relate complex human behaviour to environmental factors, can be invaluable."

    Yaneer Bar-Yam, president of the New England Complex Systems Institute in the US, said: "It is part of the progress we are making in understanding the drivers of human social behaviour."

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    To: Land Shark who wrote (34961)8/27/2011 1:13:31 AM
    From: Wharf Rat of 35607
     
    Climate cycles linked to civil war,"

    No; civil war linked to climate cycles. Climate and weather happen with no innputs from civil wars

    :>).

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