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From: Brumar894/13/2011 7:44:25 AM
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Pot growers inhale 1% of U.S. electricity, exhale GHGs of 3M cars

Does Marijuana Cause Global Warming?

by Marlo Lewis on April 12, 2011

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? Well my dog died just yesterday and left me all alone.
The finance company dropped by today and repossessed my home.
That’s just a drop in the bucket compared to losing you,
And I’m down to seeds and stems again, too.
Got the Down to Seeds and Stems again Blues. ?

Commander Cody’s lament, poignantly twanged by Telemaster Bill Kirchen, harks back to a bygone era, before medical marijuana and the electrification of indoor victory gardens. Things are different now. Tea leaves are harvested in abundance.

But potheads, or at least those who worry about the “climate crisis,” may still need to sing the blues. A new study by Evan Mills of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory finds that indoor Cannabis production has a very large carbon footprint. If you’re too far gone to read the study, man, then, like, just look at the picture:

Reporter Colin Sullivan summarizes the study, titled “Energy Up in Smoke,” in yesterday’s E&E News (subscription required):

AGRICULTURE: Pot growers inhale 1% of U.S. electricity, exhale GHGs of 3M cars — study (04/11/2011)

Colin Sullivan, E&E reporter
Indoor marijuana cultivation consumes enough electricity to power 2 million average-sized U.S. homes, which corresponds to about 1 percent of national power consumption, according to a study by a staff scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.

Researcher Evan Mills’ study notes that cannabis production has largely shifted indoors, especially in California, where medical marijuana growers use high-intensity lights usually reserved for operating rooms that are 500 times more powerful that a standard reading lamp.

The resulting price tag is about $5 billion in annual electricity costs, said Mills, who conducted and published the research independently from the Berkeley lab. The resulting contribution to greenhouse gas emissions equals about 3 million cars on the road
, he said.

Narrowing the implications even further reveals some staggering numbers. Mills said a single marijuana cigarette represents 2 pounds of CO2 emissions, an amount equal to running a 100-watt light bulb for 17 hours.

“The added electricity use [to an average home] is equivalent to running about 30 refrigerators,” Mills wrote. “Processed cannabis results in 3,000 times its weight in CO2 emissions. For off-grid production, it requires 70 gallons of diesel fuel to produce one indoor cannabis plant, or 140 gallons with smaller, less-efficient gasoline generators.”

Mills went on to compare an average pot-growing facility to the electric power intensity of a data center. In California, which is the top producing state and one of 17 states to allow medical use of marijuana, cultivation accounts for 3 percent of all electricity use and 8 percent of household use, he said.

Mills added that he completed his research with no external sponsorship, insisting that he does not mean to pass judgment on the merits of cannabis cultivation or use. He also suggested that the minimal amount of information available and the almost complete lack of regulation of the industry mean energy consumption could easily be lowered.

“If improved practices applicable to commercial agricultural greenhouses are any indication, the energy use for indoor cannabis production can be reduced dramatically,” he said. “Cost-effective efficiency improvements of 75 percent are conceivable, which would yield energy savings of about $25,000/year for a generic 10-module growing room.”

Mills, a member of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, drew his data from open literature and interviews with horticultural equipment retailers.

By some estimates, marijuana has long been the largest cash crop in the United States — ahead of corn, soybeans and hay. The industry has been pegged at about $40 billion in value, with California, Tennessee, Kentucky, Hawaii and Washington the top five production states.

Water consumption is also an issue when it comes to environmental impact, with each marijuana plant said to need between 3 and 5 gallons of water per day to grow to fruition.

Click here to read Mills’ study.

Sullivan is based in San Francisco.

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From: elmatador4/13/2011 7:58:10 AM
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"a hoax and a fraud, had nothing whatever to do with climate and everything to do with the creation of a scam called carbon trading."

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To: elmatador who wrote (32961)4/13/2011 10:56:04 AM
From: average joe
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Half the world wants to kneel, bow and suck fingers so the scam will go on in a limited way until a new cause to make people feel little, guilty and small comes along.

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From: Brumar894/13/2011 12:05:38 PM
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Young scientists clamor for jobs with offshore agency

Posted on April 8, 2011 at 2:42 pm by Jennifer A. Dlouhy in BOEMRE

This is really bad news. They're moving to politicize the staff of the former Minerals Mgmt Service just like EPA has become politicized.

The federal government has collected more than 300 applications from aspiring environmental scientists who are eager to get a job working for the U.S. agency that polices offshore drilling.

The resumes poured in during a four-day swing this week through universities in California, Oregon and Washington, said Michael Bromwich, director of the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement.

[ Job one for the next President. Firing these guys. Their only mission as employees will be to block all US energy use. ]

“This dramatically exceeds my wildest applications on planning this trip,” Bromwich told reporters during a conference call from southern California, where he met with students at two universities. “I think it shows the level of interest in our agency and in the expansion of our environmental science capabilities and in playing a role in the new era that we’ll be seeing in BOEMRE.”

BOEMRE plans to bring on board environmental scientists as part of an administration overhaul of the agency once known as the Minerals Management Service. The new employees will help fulfill a goal of .....

halting American energy development (Time for some truth! )
elevating the role of science in offshore drilling decisions. The agency anticipates hiring scientists to conduct more robust environmental reviews of offshore drilling plans and of potential areas for oil and gas leasing.

The Obama administration has asked Congress for $358 million in fiscal 2012 — a boost of $119 million over the fiscal 2010 level — which would include funding for 116 new offshore inspectors (roughly triple what it has now) and 41 permitting personnel (nearly doubling the current 50-member team).

This is the second big recruiting push by Bromwich, but the first focused on environmental scientists. Last year, Bromwich visited petroleum engineering programs in Louisiana, Texas and other states in a bid to lure budding drilling experts to the ocean energy bureau. The government faces a challenge signing up petroleum engineers because they can get far more money and benefits from private industry.

To narrow the gap, Bromwich has asked the Office of Personnel Management for approval to offer new recruits a package of salary enhancements — including a higher salary scale for engineers and geoscientists. “So far, our efforts have not been accepted by OPM,” he said today.
Bromwich said he would continue pushing for the freedom to offer competitive salaries and benefits. “People in industry make a tremendous amount more,” he said. “Hopefully we will break through what I hope is a temporary obstacle and then go forward from there.”

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To: neolib who wrote (23151)4/13/2011 5:45:44 PM
From: Maurice Winn
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An update on our bet Neo, which you declined, about the number of sunspots at the peak of the cycle now underway. My prediction from 22 October 2008 <It is obviously time to short sun-spot activity, hand over fist. The next peak will be 72 [not the highest level reached but the rounded peak]. During the Baby Boom era, it was running at 160. >

The "officials" are still expecting more than 72 They have an expected peak of 90, which they adjusted way down a year or two after I made my perspicacious prediction which I backed with my own money, not opm.

Meanwhile, are you still really worried about 40cm sea level rise over 100 years? Did you notice the 20 metre sea level rise over a couple of seconds in Japan recently? That's a much more important sea level rise and much more fatal than 5 millimetres a year. Most people can walk away from 5 millimetres a year.

Are you still a true believer in Al Gore, his second chakra and the dreaded Greenhouse Effect causing runaway Global Warming with calamitous catastrophe? Mann Made Warming is getting a lot of bad press and being quietly ignored too.

Look at this "official" prediction. They seem to have adopted my numbers after all. Near enough for government work anyway.

If I remember rightly, I might have lowered my 72 to 60 a couple of months after my first prediction. I'd have to do a search to find it. They have their prediction now spot on mine. Do you think they copy/pasted my prediction without paying a royalty?

Notice too the snowy, cold northern winters as also predicted by your favourite sooth-sayer, who was right and the Climate Change predictors who said children in England would not know what snow is were wrong. They changed their mantra to say that lots of snow was proof of global warming. Such is their attitude to Popper's falsifiability ideas. Whatever happens, is proof of global warming - that sort of "science" can't be beaten.

Centuries of sunspot records here:


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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (32964)4/13/2011 11:24:42 PM
From: neolib
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LOL! Your timing as always is impeccable. You might want to look here:

Pay some attention to the last few months, and consider that the cycle peak is likely 3+ years out.

BTW, if you said that in 2008, you were out to lunch as usual:

It is obviously time to short sun-spot activity, hand over fist

Sun spot activity in 2008 was rather below the present. If you invest the way you blather about science, god help you.

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From: Brumar894/14/2011 8:14:53 AM
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Socialists of the World Unite for Youth Climate Conference

Posted on April 13, 2011 by Ryan Maue

2011 Power Shift Conference banner

Guest Post by Ryan Maue:

Starting Friday, April 15 in Washington DC, we will be able to witness an absolutely surreal public display of anti-capitalist, extreme far-left community organizing, all wrapped in the cloak of climate change / clean energy activism: The Power Shift Youth Climate Conference. Can we finally stipulate that there exists a well-organized nexus of scientists/politicians/organizations that wish to solve the “climate crisis”, and are using the issue as a political tool to further their leftist agenda? From the list of speakers, partners, and Workshop Titles, there is certainly no doubt about the motivations of this collection of greens. Arrogant, condescending scientists and politicians sneer at so-called anti-science, Big Oil Republicans and demand global warming adherence as a litmus test for elected office. Instead, advocate scientists and environmentalists should be continually questioned about their motivations prior to consideration of their extreme|draconian policy prescriptions. I’m getting really tired of their holier-than-thou-attitude.

After this, you will know the true meaning of the acronym of Win The Future.

Noel Sheppard at provides a nice summary of the speaker line up, including EPA administrator Lisa Jackson, everyone’s (especially Glenn Beck’s) favorite communist and former Green Jobs Czar Van Jones, and, of course, Nobel Prize winner Al Gore! Keynote speaker list.

Perusing the program of this Youth Climate Conference should immediately disabuse you of all preconceived notions that climate change is not a political issue:

Plain and simple: Power Shift 2011 is a mission to recruit 10,000 youth leaders from every walk of life to be on the front lines in the fight for a clean energy future.

We are moving far beyond the pursuit of building a crowd for a weekend conference. Power Shift 2011 attendees – young faith leaders, entrepreneurs, student government leaders, social justice advocates and blue-collar workers – are signing up for the launch of critical, focused, and strategic campaign efforts in their communities.

[What is a social justice advocate? A leftist wouldbe dictatorial asshole.]

“Our Power Shift 2011 “training boot camp” will yield 10,000 leaders, equipped with the game plans, tools, and strategies to WIN on the frontlines of every community across this country.”

Dr. James Hansen of NASA death trains/coal protesting infamy should like this workshop:

Energy Action
Is it too much to dream of an America where polluters are held accountable for their disasters? Is it too much to dream of an America where people aren’t burdened with the cost of pollution? Is it too much to dream of an America where citizens are in charge of our energy decisions, not big polluters? We don’t think so.

Then we will form two marches, one storming Capitol Hill to lobby and hold our elected leaders accountable, the other will march from one corporate polluter’s office to another and return to Lafeyette Park for a dance party.

[ They're dealing with young people so they need to schedule a party after the screaming at buildings rallies. ]

Here are a list of other Workshop Titles: Link to many, many more

Sex and Sustainability

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce: Dirty Money, Chamberleaks, and how to win back Main Street

Ethical Solutions to Environmental Classism – Case Studies around the World

What would Jesus/Moses/The Buddha Drive? An Inter-Faith Discussion on Religious Environmental Activism

From the BP Oil Spill to the Japanese Nuclear Crisis: Why Capitalism is Killing the Planet:

The past year alone has highlighted the massive toll taken on our planet by the coal, oil, and nuclear energy industries. Yet President Obama continues to support these three industries, which have produced not only ecological catastrophe but also widespread human suffering. This panel will discuss why this is the case, how it is linked to a system of global capitalism that puts profit before the needs of human beings and the planet, and how we can move beyond the capitalist ecological crisis.

Chris Williams, International Socialist Organization
Heather Kangas, International Socialist Organization
Amanda Duzak, International Socialist Organization

Finding the Billions for Clean Energy and Climate Justice Now!

The global economy is suffering the greatest setback since the Great Depression in large part because of Wall Street gamblers. The gambling continues unabated, with hundreds of billions in bailouts from taxpayers. Meanwhile, the world is spending more than $1.5 trillion every year on the military, with the United States accounting for nearly half of that figure. Pentagon spending is rising even as our cities are cutting back on vital social services. More than half of all discretionary spending goes to the military here in the United States. The climate crisis requires us to raise $100-$400 billion per year if we are to address our obligations to the poorest and to the planet. This workshop will explain how to slow climate change, while restoring a sane, stable global economy.

Regulating Greenhouse Gases (GHGS) Under the Clean Air Act

Stop the Tar Sands Invasion

Climate Voices — The Human Rights of Climate Change

High School and Junior High Organizing

Exposing the Climate Denial Machine

What to do when the President’s just not that into you (program excerpt below)

Despite the hopes of millions that President Obama would champion clean energy and help solve the climate crisis, his response has fallen far short of what’s necessary. At best, his record and rhetoric have been mixed. At worst, he’s actively obstructed progress by boosting offshore drilling, recently announcing a huge expansion of coal mining on public lands, and financing environmentally destructive products overseas. President Obama has also treated the environmental movement, and especially the youth climate movement, with relative disdain: while there are many examples, the most visible was refusing to speak to the 2009 Powershift conference, and then attending a Washington Wizards basketball game just two blocks away. The panel will explore some key questions that have bedeviled our movement since Obama’s inauguration: What is President Obama’s climate/environment record? How should the climate movement deal with the White House? What can we learn from other movements’ response to the White House? Is there a possibility for a pro-environment, progressive challenger to Obama in the 2012 primaries? Is that a good idea? To answer these questions, and share inside knowledge, we’ll feature some of the brightest thinkers on climate politics and movements.

Glenn Hurowitz, Senior Fellow, Center for International Policy
Bill McKibben, Founder,
Lt. Dan Choi, Founding Member, Knights Out
Jane Hamsher, Founder, Firedoglake
Next Steps for White Allies (program excerpt below)

“Now that you understand the importance of diversity and inclusion to the climate change movement, how do you practice being a strong white ally? For the most part, white folks have little opportunity to talk about race, racism or how to be an ally to people of color. Indeed, we are socialized to not notice or talk about such things. It can be lonely being a white ally.”

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (32954)4/14/2011 10:12:07 AM
From: Land Shark
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LOL, rantings of an oil whore. Your bias is clear. P.s. BP's record on HSE is pathetic.

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To: neolib who wrote (32965)4/14/2011 12:15:32 PM
From: Maurice Winn
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The flare up was what drew my comment. I keep an eye on the sun and for a while the northern hemisphere has been wearing a ring of fire, like a large necklace of conflagration.

There were obviously a LOT of sunspots, so I checked the actual data to see the numbers and sure enough, it was peaking after a dramatic rise [as happens from time to time]. It was only then that I noticed how low the so-called experts had lowered their expectations for the peak of activity.

You misunderstood the figure of speech "short sunspots". At the bottom, with no sunspots, of course I didn't mean there would be fewer still, it meant there were going to be overall fewer sunspots in the next cycle, which was the topic I was writing about. It's a rather obtuse reading to conclude that meant fewer than none at all.

Yes, I do use the same techniques for the stock market and I do very well thanks and have done, heck time flies when you're having fun, for 45 years now.

That sudden rise you mentioned is just a transient spike on the way to the peak. Watch out for 2020 freezing [predicted with my 2020 foresight] at the next minimum.


PS: You didn't mention whether you are still a true believer in GW. Let us know when you recant.

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (32968)4/14/2011 12:36:56 PM
From: neolib
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It's a rather obtuse reading to conclude that meant fewer than none at all.

IIRC, you can find some of your own quotes more or less claiming the sun was "going out", so its your own obtuse statements, not my reading of them.

PS: You didn't mention whether you are still a true believer in GW. Let us know when you recant.

I've not seen any evidence that AGW has changed course, so why would I change my views, which have nothing to do with "true believer" crap, and everything to do with science. Difficult concept for you I know....

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