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To: ILCUL8R who wrote (76064)6/29/2011 7:44:36 PM
From: Gottfried   of 82051
 
Both imaging programs I own [Acronis and EASEUS] say they will clone the entire disk, but I've never done it.

Which programs have you tried?

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To: Gottfried who wrote (76065)6/29/2011 9:29:17 PM
From: ILCUL8R   of 82051
 
Both imaging programs I own [Acronis and EASEUS] say they will clone the entire disk, but I've never done it.

Which programs have you tried?


I have not tried either of the two you mention. Over the last 2 years I have followed conversations here about Acronis and if memory is accurate the conclusion to a previous poster's question was that Acronis would not touch the hidden partition.

EASUS seems a good candidate for me to try.

What I am searching here for is info from someone who actually has tried to do what I mentioned, to clone a hidden partition, a partition purposefully hidden by DELL to keep out copy programs.

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To: ILCUL8R who wrote (76066)6/29/2011 9:41:51 PM
From: Cheeky Kid   of 82051
 
I think Stock Bull does that with Easus. I thought I seen him post he also backs up his hidden partition with the factory image on it.

I have not tried that, but I believe it's possible as it's listed in my things to back up in Windows 7 using True Image. True Image sees it.

I don't use the clone method, actually ever since I started imaging back in 1999, I never cloned anything. Back then it was Powerquest Drive Image, that program was awesome, until Symantec bought them out and wrecked the program by incorporating it into Ghost.

Then I went to Acronis and oddly the interface was almost exactly like Drive Image, I don't know how they got away with that, it was almost 100% the same look and feel of Drive Image.

en.wikipedia.org 

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To: ILCUL8R who wrote (76066)6/29/2011 10:36:07 PM
From: Gottfried   of 82051
 
EaseUS says it will clone hidden partitions: "5. If you choose to clone a hidden partition, the cloned one is unhidden."

description of disk cloning with screen shots
easeus.com 

tinyurl.com 

search for 'hidden' on that page to find that sentence

PS: I've used EaseUS to clone my system partition 5 times now without problems. It couldn't be easier [never had to refer to the manual] and cloning time has been 22 minutes consistently for the 36 GB partition

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To: ILCUL8R who wrote (76066)6/30/2011 1:31:03 AM
From: stock bull1 Recommendation   of 82051
 
I have an HP desktop with the C drive being partitioned into a C and D drive. The D drive is the factory recovery program for the OS. I have cloned both of them using EaseUS. I did one partition at a time. However, I could have selected the C and D partitions and cloned them at the same time.

I hope this answers your question.

I should note that I booted from the cloned C drive and my computer worked fine. It's like having a dual boot system.

EaseUS is a great program, and it's free. Acronis gave me nothing but problems. So, I evaluated EaseUS, liked it and dumped Acronis. I deleted it from my system.

Stock Bull

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To: ILCUL8R who wrote (76064)6/30/2011 8:28:19 AM
From: PMS Witch   of 82051
 
Acronis offers to make a backup copy of your disk using the "sector by sector" method. This would copy your entire disk, including hidden partitions. The image created would also include erased files, unallocated space, file system "housekeeping" data. . .etc.

A "sector by sector" image should restore a Dell disk OK, and a "clone" of the disk most certainly would.

When working with Dell disks, the factory restore feature requires a few conditions be met. The image partition must be in the correct location, be the correct size, and have the correct Type value. The system partition must begin at the original location. The Dell customized MBR must be on the disk. The Dell system restore code first checks that everything is OK before continuing.

An observation about Dell systems. . .

Sometimes, Dell disks have unallocated spaces among the partitions. Normally, this isn't an issue because the wasted space is insignificant. But partitioning software often dislikes waste and hates to leave gaps. So. . . restored data, although exactly the same as the original, will be placed in a different location. This will make Dell System Restore very angry.

As well, Dell may provide a Utility partition. This is NOT the same as Dell System Restore. I don't know if Utility partitions are sensitive to size and location changes.

Cheers, PW.

P.S. You could use a partitioning utility to change the Type of your hidden partitions, assign them a drive letter, and examine them with Explorer as if they were any other volume. But to get them to work as intended, their Type must be reset to the original value.


P.P.S. When systems start using the altered Dell MBR, a blue stripe will appear briefly across the top of the screen during the early stages of booting. DELL will be printed in the middle of this blue stripe.

P.P.P.S. Since Dell System Restore uses an obsolete version of Symantec Ghost, one could download this version of Ghost (it's free) and manually restore their system even if Dell System Restore isn't working. One could also create a new Dell System Restore image. This new image could include all their configurations and added software, making their restoration process even more painless.

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To: PMS Witch who wrote (76070)6/30/2011 1:43:58 PM
From: ILCUL8R   of 82051
 
PMS Witch,

As usual your scholarly responses are priceless. You have given me a lot to investigate and digest.

The original hard drive is on a DELL Dimension 4600 that came my way with a blown PS and M/B (lightening strike). I found a replacement M/B, replaced the PS, and now the machine runs just fine as the original hard drive still works. I used its restore function to get rid of the crap the previous owner had installed, thus getting C: back to an exact version of the original factory installation -- just like new.

I also cloned the original C: partition (XXCLONE), cleaned out all of it craplets, and thus have a nice running machine, but this hard drive with the C: clone has no restore function. I want to pass this machine on to a relative but am too cautious to let go of the original hard drive with the restore partition. This is because, sure as heck, the new owner will experience a hard drive failure (he doesn't understand backups or cloning or imaging) and will expect me to restore everything as before -- which I can't do unless I have a complete clone of the original, including the hidden FAT partition with the restore software.

As I recall, when the restore function is invoked mention is made of a special piece of software that does the job. I can't remember its name off hand, but I know that getting the restore function up and running requires more than XP or DOS to make it work.

Thanks so much for your help. This will be an interesting project.

Dick

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To: ILCUL8R who wrote (76071)6/30/2011 6:29:25 PM
From: PMS Witch   of 82051
 
Make a clone of your original disk using software that copies on a sector by sector basis. XXclone works at the file level which is too superficial for the work you need to do. To make the replacement disk work as the original, it must have not only the original's files, but the original's layout too.

Cheers, PW.

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From: Gottfried6/30/2011 7:13:47 PM
   of 82051
 
"We Have to Fix E-Mail"

pogue.blogs.nytimes.com 

tinyurl.com 

some good ideas how to manage email overload

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To: PMS Witch who wrote (76072)6/30/2011 7:44:17 PM
From: ILCUL8R   of 82051
 
Yes, I understand sector by sector and know the shortcomings of XXCLONE's file by file approach. I've not done my homework yet but will try to scare up a trial copy of Acronis.

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