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To: Hyperpy who wrote (2195)7/10/1999 5:40:00 PM
From: Typhoon   of 10027
 
I must say. As a professional who takes big risks, I WOULD NEVER PUT 100% OF A 401K INTO NITE!!!!
I think the Internet bubble is burst and it will get ugly. When it does AMTD, EGRP, NDB, SCHWAB... will get hurt. Investing is not trading. When the tide turns, trading will be as unprofitable as it was profitable while all these stocks rocketed 20 fold over the last year. Then selling will set in.
I think the group is rolling over after a 50% retracement from its
two month decline. To test the hypothesis I shorted 5 yhoo July 180 calls in front of the earnings when the stock was at 168. I just figured there was so much optimism not much could push it meaningfully move it up. After "blowout" earnings, the stock is sinking. The next day I bought 50 August 40 puts on nite, the following day(Friday) I bought 100 puts on AMTD the Aug 25s.
Now I am just making small bets to hedge positions in NOK, EMC, and MSFT (real internet companies), but this market looks like it is putting in a top and after these earnings are released, I think things could get ugly as the internet stock sink and Y2K fears start
becoming a source of uncertainty for the millions like yourself who have become internet empowered investment novices who may not have had meaningful commitments to past manias and experienced personally or had clients who watched portfolios lose 80% or more.
Trust me. People talk about their good tades not their bad ones. They typically just want people to think they are smart, rich or future moneymakers so babes will do them.
Have you noticed how the boards have gotten quieter? The tide has changed, and my advice is you cut your position in half and don't let a gain turn into a loss. Your arm maybe caught in the proverbial
meat grinder, and I don't want to see anyone get drawn in to their shoulder or worse.
Cheers, Typhoon

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To: KM who wrote (2191)7/10/1999 5:47:00 PM
From: Sir Francis Drake   of 10027
 
KM - I personally did not bail out *only* based on the action of Friday. I bailed because the stock was acting very poorly for some time - and Friday was just the last straw. The thing is, I should have listened to the TA a long time ago, instead of wasting weeks with my capital tied up. The second NITE stalled, and did not take off - it was an alarm signal - in particular, the weak action following the FOMC meeting. When the selling continued into strength with big blocks flying, and the stock refused to participate in the broad tech/internet rally, and with every excuse, kept dipping below 60 - that was a sign of something very wrong - after all, the sector and the market were doing very well. The Barrons rumor *may* have been responsible for Friday's action, but this came on the heels of poor trading patterns that have been going on for awhile. Therefore, I thought there may be something else to all this - in particular, I suspect that *maybe* the issue of the locked up shares is what's spooking the market. I've seen what a release of such massive shares can do to a stock, and it is not pretty. The thing is, that the shares that are coming out of lockup are not all owned by "insiders" but by other players who may have a much shorter-term goals. After all, it is easy to see why they would like to unload now, just before earnings - the recent history, shows stocks selling off even after very good reports (YHOO, GE, etc.). So, what better occassion to sell than the days leading up to earnings - likely the strongest period for some time to come. Of course, this is all speculation, and maybe NITE will take off like a rocket, but that's the best I can come up with. The bottom line however, is that the TA was indicating trouble for quite some time, and from that point of view, I made a big mistake waiting till Friday to sell, no matter what happens from here on - since clearly this has been a period of dead money at best. At this point there are 8 trading sessions left before earnings - and just how high is NITE going to move in this time - given the share overhang issue looming over the proceedings, and also the technical damage the recent sell-off has done: a lot of people who bought in at 60+ are going to be very anxious to get out now that they've seen how weak NITE is acting. This will make getting past 60, 62, and 64 a bit of an ordeal, as a lot of burned folks will be unloading to get out. Perhaps it will be a breeze - who knows, however, let us note that earnings expiration is coming up Friday, and the overall market can very well pull back a little after the recent gains. That will make any climb by NITE go in the teeth of a pull-back market - a hard task under any circumstances, and certainly NITE has not been acting particulary strong. That would effectively leave 3 trading sessions for a decent climb - Jul 19-21. Can NITE in that time power through the logjam at 60-64? Who knows - that is not much time, especially if you remember that YHOO sold off the day before earnings. That leaves 2 days. Can NITE be at 70 or more in two days? I don't know. I guess we'll wait and see. I certainly don't exclude getting back in, if the TA improves, since I love the FA.

Morgan

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To: SJS who wrote (2201)7/10/1999 7:47:00 PM
From: Patherzen   of 10027
 
Does Joe Cramer write for briefing.com? Does Jim Cramer write for the street.com? That blurb on page 26 in Barrons would address Trimark Financial ( a subsidiary of Knight-Trimark) if the companies were related I presume. That is the norm for Barron's. They do not seek to protect. Regards...Patherzen

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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (2205)7/10/1999 8:43:00 PM
From: Sir Francis Drake   of 10027
 
One curious note on Friday's trading...

Although the volume was larger than in several days, and it notably increased once NITE fell below 60, the "sell super messages" that day were fewer than in past days. There was one big one around 11 AM EST, and a smaller one around 2:00 PM EST. I don't know whether this means anything or not, but it *could* mean that most of the selling was retail - again, this is not a fast and hard conclusion, just a supposition. I personally saw on LII a few big block sells, but not more, and probably less than, in days past (though Thursday seemed better from that point of view).

thomsoninvest.net 

Type in NITE in the "Enter Ticker" box.

I don't know how reliable this is, and it is important to note that 2/3 of the trading in NITE is institutional, so any decline in price probably had some institutional participation.

Morgan

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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (2207)7/10/1999 10:46:00 PM
From: Joseph Silent   of 10027
 
Francis Drake/ Morgan.....

I got stopped out (at yet another big loss, of course) on
Friday. I did not expect a decline that large for Friday,
and neither did I expect a crummy negative rumour.

I really don't know what to make of price action this week.
I am still looking for a good entry point. Its hard to find
objective aids on the newsboards with all the "noise" made
by rah-rah folks and shorts. [I understand its easy to say
hang-in-there when someone bought in the 40s or lower! :) ]

Thanks, Joseph

So do you have any thoughts on price action this week,
considering option-expiry? The factors to consider, I guess,
include lock-up shares (I have no clue if this is still
hanging in the balance or just an empty threat), PPI, CPI,
and options-expiry. I am most concerned with options-related
price movement. Do you have any experience with this?

Still wondering where to get in. I'd like to buy in reasonably
big and really can't afford yet another loss. Any suggestions?

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To: Typhoon who wrote (2204)7/11/1999 6:41:00 AM
From: visiondf   of 10027
 
Well put. Only problem is greed standing in the way of those further profits and having the discipline to get out and be happy with what has been made so far. On the bright side, if one is sitting on alot of cash and the internets do tank, there should be a great buying opportunity towards the end of the year.
Visiondf

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To: Joseph Silent who wrote (2208)7/11/1999 6:59:00 AM
From: oilbabe   of 10027
 
Joseph Silent: May I suggest ( although you didn't ask me) that you build a position a bit at a time. I have done that in the past with most volatile stocks, and it seems to work better than trying to outguess the market. Since EVERYONE (even YAHOO posters) seems to think NITE will sell off immediately prior to earnings, as a contrary indicator that says it will probably go to the moon! This market does not seem to want to get knocked down right now, although a rotten PPI or CPI could hit at any time. Bottom line is that you gotta build a position with which you will be comfortable, and not be in a position to sell at "fire sale" prices.

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To: Patherzen who wrote (2206)7/11/1999 9:02:00 AM
From: SJS   of 10027
 
I don't know about Joe Cramer. Jim Cramer, you are correct, is the biggest kingpin at TS.com.

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To: Sir Francis Drake who wrote (2207)7/11/1999 9:17:00 AM
From: Chi-X   of 10027
 
NITE Tanked about 1 hour before the Cramer Article was released at 2:59 PM EST which is 1 hour before market closes. Please look at the following YHOO chart to see for yourself and you'll the extreme drop from the 60's to 56 started out around 2PM EST while Cramer's article came out 2:59 PM EST.

quote.yahoo.com 

Other forces are at work folks.



Cherio,
Chi-X hath Spoken!

"There shall be no wine, before its time."

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To: Chi-X who wrote (2212)7/11/1999 10:39:00 AM
From: Patrese   of 10027
 
Naturally, since the rumor started before Cramer reiterated it on his website.

Regards,
Patricia

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