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Initiated by Ray Le Maistre ray.lemaistre@total.emap.com, Total Telecom U.K. 12:24:11GMT, 14 September 2000 How will 4G differ from 3G? And will it be upwards compatible?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11:40:22GMT, 28 September 2000 I'm one of those who have a secret dream of a wireless world wide open system offering at least a data rate of 20 Mbps. I think that the wireless internet (WWWW) must have its own radio system based on the same philosophy as internet. So, according to me , the need of 4G systems will quickly come in the wireless telecom market, and this for 4 main reasons : - the fisrt lunch of WAP is not a success - 3G offers in vehicles data rates less than 384 kbps - in the next years, the main applications using wireless systems will be real-time interactive ( video-phone services and real-time multi-media services,games... ). But 3G's data rates are not enough to support such services - the components market will have some extra performing products ( ASICs, DSPs... - remember the evolution of this market from the beginning of the 1G's development to now ) Pierre NGOUAT
Pierre NGOUAT, Pierre.Ngouat@alcatel.fr Senior Consultant - Wireless systems, SIVAN Consulting, FRANCE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06:19:21GMT, 28 September 2000 Wi-Lan's (www.wi-lan.com) Wideband OFDM (W-OFDM)is the most spectrally efficient technology available today. With all due respect to the professional comments made above, Wi-Lan's W-OFDM's and MC-DSSS patented technology is the technology that will revolutionize 4G networks and competitors would be wise to join the OFDM forum (www.ofdm-forum.com) to standardize the technology!
Colin Bhowmik, cbhowmik@home.com Research Editor, INEEDAPICK.COM, Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14:45:10GMT, 27 September 2000 4G will eventually happen and it might happen sooner rather than later. ATT and the other TDMA/EDGE carriers are in a real bind and will need to look at 4G quicker than they previously thought if ATT does not gain additional spectrum for W-CDMA. The problem with the role out of 4G is the payback for 3G technology and the new spectrum which will be required. Does anyone know where 4G spectrum will come from?
Mark HughSam, mhughsam@dundeesecurities.com Research Analyst, Dundee Securities Corp, Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 08:01:49GMT, 27 September 2000 From technical view the 4G network (worldwide network) will be more stable then ever before and more intelligent of course. All words related to 3G will be true in 4G. And for customers the main advantage is the independence from geographic location.
Bolatkhan Jaidarinov, bolatkhan.jaidarinov@rkz.ericsson.se Project Assistant, Ericsson International, Kazakstan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10:43:22GMT, 25 September 2000 Broadband services via 4G will be very expensive.
R.Rindzevicius, ramrin@tef.ktu.lt assoc.prof., Kaunas University of technology, Lithuania -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 09:06:49GMT, 25 September 2000 If 4G ever happens, the idea will be to deliver the vision that has been proposed for 3G. The problem with 3G is that when you actually read the specs (e.g. Tdoc SMG2 435/97), the data rates talked about are nowhere near the 2Mb/s sometimes spoken of, but are nearer 144kb/s maximum. Even that may be more than can really be delivered. To be a significant advance on 3G, 4G will need to use something like a HAPS system (high altitude balloon above a town) so that a relatively high power transmitter can be used in one direction. The other issue is a global standard which was part of the idea of 3G, but I think political issues will preclude this.
Ed Long, ed.long@matsushita-europe.com Manager, EMD, Matsushita Europe, UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23:54:57GMT, 23 September 2000 4G mobile should certainly strive for a common radio platform across the globe (no more CDMA2000, UMTS). For the first time all mobiles across the globe should be completely compatible with each other and worldwide roaming without the use of inter-working function (IWF) boxes should become a reality. IP over the air is still not a good idea, bandwidth must be better used by optimizing, standardizing the vocoder and data packet format.
K.Raghunandan, raghunandan@lucent.com Senior Manager, Network Architecture, Lucent Technologies, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15:26:50GMT, 23 September 2000 4G mobile must fill the holes in its previous generations; must provide secured transaction delivery; must be scalable and robust; need to have self-healing loops and nodes to provide continued service; provide built in customer care/ support hooks to support service quality and customer experience; will provide application frameworks so that 3rd party apps can be launched as services over the network; must also enable a framework to enable brokering of these services. Existing generations lack most of these. Most importantly it must be bootstrappable i.e. the transition to 4G should be transparent to consumers and businesses [unlike the pain consumers went through while switching from Analog to Digital and within confusing standards]. There is no point to move to 4G if there is no universality adopted without providing transparency.
Nani Narayanan Srinivasan, nanin@nexgenix.com Head of e-Relationship Solutions, Nexgenix, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10:39:56GMT, 21 September 2000 It seems to me that using wireless technologies such as 3G/4G as a last mile connectivity solution able to deliver broadband services into the home/workplace will become commonplace in the next few years. Its a superior technology to that afforded through our aging copper/aluminium local loop and apart from licensing / infrastructure costs has no other barriers to entry to would be operators / incumbents. Cable/fibre being prohibitively expensive to lay as a last mile connectivity solution will be restricted to the main backbone and metropolitan network infrastructure. This is the beauty of technology. It shifts the goal posts and creates new markets and opportunities therein.
Jonathan Lishawa, jonathan@bibliotech.net Director of Strategic Development, BiblioTech Plc, United Kingdom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14:28:12GMT, 20 September 2000 Nothing to disagree with. Have heard one def as mobile at T3 speeds = 45Mbit/s or so but the speed isn't an issue and the 54 quoted above is the same ballpark agree OFDM - Unique Broadband Systems (UBS) on the canadian venture exchange--Wi-LAN, GM's purchase of Hughes Network Systems (or their satellite division all bear on the OFDM space one guesses. Nice to see this conversation developing--since my colleagues and I only began thinking about 4G within the last fortnight--is this some sort of Jungian synchrony??? carlie
Carl Edgar, telecomms@aol.com writer/editor/publisher, WAPweek among others, Ireland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13:54:54GMT, 20 September 2000 To be fair, there is no single worldwide standard for 3G, either. It seems though that developers have finally latched onto the fact that 3G is going to be such an expensive rider for all of us, it has to be usable worldwide in order to squeeze out the maximum drops of revenue ! Might be interesting to see how we know whn we've got there. OFDM is one of the main technologies being touted as 4G. I have seen claims that you will be able to get up to 54Mb/s in vehicles, although that sounds like a recipe for crispy fried brain to me. Anyone else ?
Sara Harris, sharris@strategyanalytics.com Senior Industry Analyst, Strategy Analytics, UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14:06:30GMT, 14 September 2000 4G is currently a buzzword used to denote anything beyond 3G in the same way as "3G" signified the next step after GSM. There is no system or architecture settled in any way. Currently its just concepts and ideas but with a common theme being the World Wide Wireless Web (WWWW). It is not probable that there will be a single worldwide 4G standard inluding air interfaces like 3G was. For a start I doubt if anyone could afford it!!! Mobile wireless internet will be seamless and offer tailored services - more of a 3G+ in my view. The opportunites are in the linking up of all other wireless services such as broadband etc. As the 3G upper limit of 2Mbps in 2 years time is rather dated when broadband systems can already deliver 25Kps, and the 2Mkps reduces if there are too many users!! It's worth looking at other carrier technologies such as OFDM, where 20Mbps can be distributed and also wireless ISP providers. I think 4G or WWWW will just sort of happen, there is no date to set. It will be to the wireless world what the internet was to the computing world. |