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To: Casey who wrote (6156)7/28/2003 9:44:42 PM
From: Gulo   of 11633
 
Minor correction: the steam is injected above the bitumen collection pipe.

Oops. Right. At least for most projects.
-g

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To: Gulo who wrote (6157)7/29/2003 2:16:23 PM
From: energyplay   of 11633
 
Does Paramount have a right to recover the bitumen, or just the natural gas ? If they have a right to the bitumen, they might swap those wells to some one with the technology and experience in return for a gas well...

I would expect Paramount's rights vary by location, of course...

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To: energyplay who wrote (6158)7/29/2003 7:29:13 PM
From: Gulo   of 11633
 
I am not familiar with Paramount's particulars, but the rights to the gas and to the bitumen are generally granted separately (i.e., gas to one company, bitumen to another).
-g

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To: Gulo who wrote (6159)7/30/2003 1:14:02 AM
From: trustmanic   of 11633
 
Questions:
1)I guess not every gas well in that area contains bitumen? Probably not in the Paramount's site.
2)To get bitumen out requires more capital spending? May be I am wrong, but I heard that the environmental control is a headache?

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To: trustmanic who wrote (6160)7/30/2003 1:50:12 AM
From: Gulo   of 11633
 
Gas and bitumen are two completely different resources. There is bitumen under most of NE Alberta. There is usually gas above the top layer of bitumen, and in couple of lower formations. Drilling gas wells is easy - punch a hole, case it and perforate where you want production. Getting at the bitumen requires very large plants and billions of dollars of capital. An typical shallow gas well might cost a half million, but a bitumen production facility will cost at least 1000 times as much.

About $85 Billion (cdn) worth of capital spending on new or expanded bitumen production facilities has been announced for the next dozen years. To put that in perspective, that is about as much construction spending as Edmonton has seen since World War II.
-g

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To: Gulo who wrote (6161)7/31/2003 12:54:36 AM
From: trustmanic   of 11633
 
Hi Gulo,
Another question:- To spend 1000 times to produce bitumen:- including money and lots of energy(oil and gas to move machine for production)that means using energy to produce energy, may be using 0.3 - 0.5 unit of energy to produce 1 unit of bitumen, may be not very cost effective. Correct me if I am wrong, this bitumen production is not cheap at all.Thank.
George

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To: trustmanic who wrote (6162)7/31/2003 1:15:39 AM
From: Gulo   of 11633
 
I don't mean 1000 times as much for the same energy. I was just responding to a point about the cost of a well.

Production costs for bitumen are generally greater than for conventional oil, but risk is low and the reserve is long-lived. Current cash operating costs are in the US$6.50-$7.50 range. Add in around $7 for capital (extraction and upgrader), and you get an all in cost of around $14/barrel.

The return on capital employed at Suncor has ranged from 12-27% since 1995, depending on the oil price. The earnings average just under half of cash flow. Keep in mind that Suncor owns about the same amount of recoverable oil as ExxonMobil. That's a lot of future cash flow.
-g

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To: Gulo who wrote (6163)7/31/2003 1:25:05 AM
From: trustmanic   of 11633
 
Thanks

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To: David Culver who started this subject8/4/2003 6:09:03 PM
From: Tommaso   of 11633
 
Putting an end to royalty trusts?


"The proliferation of the income trust raises a number of tax policy questions. The income trust financing structure may lead to a substantial erosion of the corporate tax base," Paul Hayward, a lawyer at the Ontario Securities Commission, wrote in the "Canadian Tax Journal".

"The proliferation of the income trust highlights a serious flaw in the system. Some investors may not fully appreciate that they are purchasing a product that is packaged as a fixed-income product but that in many cases resembles, in economic terms, an equity claim," he said, adding that the Income Tax Act is complicit if investors are being misled about the nature of their investments.

The only solution, he said, is legislating to put an end to them. "Some sort of legislative response is not only necessary but inevitable," Hayward said.

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To: Tommaso who wrote (6165)8/4/2003 9:39:26 PM
From: The Jack of Hearts   of 11633
 
I love these guys. I guess lots of investors that bought Nortel @ 120 Canadian didn't fully appreciate that it could go below .75 Canadian ;o) And what of BCE, a real widows and orphans stock. Where was Hayseed then I wonder ? Do you think there will be rumblings stateside too ?

The income trust financing structure may lead to a substantial erosion of the corporate tax base I really have to wonder about this one too. Seeing as it appears at best we are in a long term traders market and corporate profits aren't looking too stellar.

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