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From: Bargain Hunter4/18/2012 5:55:02 PM
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So tomorrow is the big day. If management does not provide fairly compelling reasons to believe their H2 story I expect to see further weakness in the stock price. Those reasons will probably not be in the Q2 guidance since they already said that H1 will be weak.

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To: Bargain Hunter who wrote (52642)4/18/2012 7:17:14 PM
From: sndklong   of 54982
 
I would think that current news is already priced into the stock. Would like to hear something good to offset stocks weakness and get the ball rolling again!!!

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To: sndklong who wrote (52643)4/18/2012 9:31:19 PM
From: Bargain Hunter   of 54982
 
I would think that current news is already priced into the stock.

It is hard to price news of weakness accurately. There are different prices according to whether one treats it as temporary or longer term. In the Q4 call, management stated that it was a temporary effect for H1. Their credibility in this matter is somewhat suspect since Q1 turned out to be significantly worse than they predicted. I'm looking for something to back up their claim that H2 will be stronger and I presume that I will not be alone.

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To: Bargain Hunter who wrote (52644)4/19/2012 9:22:31 AM
From: brokenst0nes   of 54982
 
Agreed, fair few options where they could gain some business, but will it be enough to meet H2 forecast.

1) Apple, goes without saying really. Don't see much changing on the handheld side, possible Macbook opportunity.
2) HTC, regain recently lost share, maybe some, but I'm doubtful.
3) Ultrabook, Intel is banking on this being a big growth driver in H2, but pricing premium over standard notebooks is an issue from where I'm standing. Seems most likely to pay off and provide growth for SanDisk.
4) SSD, maybe, but enterprise won't ramp that quickly, more of a steady grower over time. Client side, seems similar.
5) Upcoming Android tablet refresh, this time low cost ie <$300. Maybe, but will Samsung be the likely winner here with their Tab 2 range. Unclear at this stage.

Ruling out Windows 8 in any way, going to be 2013 before we see any affect from that on notebooks or tablet side.

Any other options?

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To: brokenst0nes who wrote (52645)4/19/2012 9:55:36 AM
From: HenryMiller   of 54982
 
The stock is down 25% in a matter or days. The RSI is as low as its been in the last 3 years. CC tonight. Option expiry tomorrow.

Call me crazy but I think the stock is set up for a bounce tomorrow. Nothing huge. Nothing lasting. But a bounce up to retest (and fail at) the 200 day MA before heading back to its final destination low sometime in either early June or late August (I think June will be the low this year but I won't be surprised if it bottoms in August just like the last two years).

I'm looking to buy some options today, hopefully on more weakness toward the close.

It's a crappy business. It's still a crappy stock. But I think the rubber band is stretched too far to the downside and the risk/reward looks favorable for a long side trade.

As always, caveat emptor.

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To: HenryMiller who wrote (52646)4/19/2012 12:26:05 PM
From: Art Bechhoefer   of 54982
 
The usual pattern seems to be operating here. After trading near $40 yesterday, the shares are a little above $41 today (at noon, eastern time). The pattern in previous quarters is that the stock shows some strength prior to the earnings release and then topples after the disappointments are made known. In this case, which is one of the few times where SanDisk guided lower prior to the earnings release, and did so during the usually quiet period preceding the release, the pattern may be different.

However, I expect most of the news is already known and the stock will not react much in either direction following the earnings release.

What sort of amazes me is that one producer of handsets and tablets has managed to impact the fortunes of component suppliers by making a product that virtually no one can compete with successfully. I believe, perhaps too optimistically, that somewhere along the line a tablet from someone other than Apple will gain success in various business applications, whether as a point of sale terminal, an inventory recorder, or some other uses. I also believe that somewhere along the line users are going to get tired of a fixed amount of embedded flash memory in a cell phone or tablet and express their preference for removable SD or microSD cards, giving SNDK at least some additional business.

Art

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To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (52647)4/19/2012 12:33:46 PM
From: John Koligman1 Recommendation   of 54982
 
"I believe, perhaps too optimistically, that somewhere along the line a tablet from someone other than Apple will gain success in various business applications, whether as a point of sale terminal, an inventory recorder, or some other uses."


It looks like there might be some pushback starting in the phone arena, major carriers like Verizon are now charging for phone updates and their management is starting to make some noise about supporting the WIN8 platform by carrying those phones.... It is in their interest also to break the AAPL grip. It has really put the financial hurt on Sprint, for example....

Regards,
John

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Sprint bets the company on iPhone

October 03, 2011
With the new iPhone coming out this week, Sprint Nextel Corp. is finally expected to gain access to a device it has long coveted--but at a staggering cost.

The No. 3 wireless company is making a multibillion-dollar gamble that Apple Inc.'s gadget will be the ticket to a turnaround, even though Sprint Chief Executive Dan Hesse told the board in August that Sprint would likely lose money on the deal until 2014, according to people familiar with the matter.





If Sprint has bet right, the iPhone will be the device that finally breaks the company's half-decade-long slide and keeps much larger rivals Verizon Wireless and AT&T Inc. from running off with the bulk of the wireless industry's subscribers and profits. If it's wrong, the iPhone deal will saddle the company with a costly albatross at a time when it is already stretching to manage an expensive network upgrade and cover debt payments.

New details, not previously reported, give a rare look at Apple's closely guarded dealings with carriers, and reveal just how high the stakes are for Sprint.

Hesse told the board the carrier would have to agree to purchase at least 30.5 million iPhones over the next four years--a commitment of $20 billion at current rates--whether or not it could find people to buy them, according to people familiar with the matter. In order to keep the price people pay for the phone low and competitive with rivals, Sprint would be subsidizing the cost of each phone to the tune of about $500, which would take a long time to recoup even at the high monthly fees iPhone users pay.

Directors debated what they had just heard. Some worried the payoff would be too long in coming. One member questioned whether the multiyear deal might outlast the iPhone's popularity. To sell that many iPhones, Sprint would have to double its rolls of contract customers, convert all of them to the Apple device or a combination of the two.

"This is a bet-the-company kind of thing," said a person familiar with Sprint's decision-making. The projected hit to the company's operating income is "staggering," the person said.

The board ultimately signed off on what the company internally called the "Sony" project, concluding Sprint couldn't compete otherwise. Directors figured, "How can we pass this up? We have to have it," the person familiar with the matter said.

Apple is expected to unveil its newest iPhone at its Cupertino, Calif., headquarters Tuesday. Carriers like Sprint, which people familiar with the matter have said will get the new phone, are expected to announce their plans to carry the device later in the week. Verizon Wireless, which is a joint venture of Verizon Communications Inc. and Vodafone Group PLC., broke AT&T's exclusive hold on the U.S. market for the phone in February, but Sprint remained out in the cold.

The lack of the iPhone is "the No. 1 reason customers leave or switch," Hesse said at an industry conference last month.

Sprint spokesman Bill White declined to comment. Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris said the company doesn't comment on "rumors and speculation."

The details of Sprint's deal lay bare the leverage Apple has won with carriers, which before the advent of the iPhone essentially dictated terms to handset makers. Apple isn't singling Sprint out. It also requires its other carriers to make long-term volume commitments for the iPhone, people familiar with the matter said.



What distinguishes Apple's deals from those struck with other handset makers are their scale and a tendency to have the committed volumes grow larger over time, the people said.

The practice of locking in long-term, high-volume deals fits with Apple's habit of locking in components for its devices well in advance. It also sheds light on how Apple can be confident about future sales as Steve Jobs steps back from the company he helped found.

That Sprint would accept such costly terms highlights the pressure the company is under to get its roster of contract customers growing again. While the company has stemmed the revenue declines and subscriber losses that followed its disastrous 2005 merger with Nextel, it is much weaker financially than its larger competitors and hasn't posted a full-year profit since 2006.

Sprint's weakness makes shouldering Apple's terms riskier for the carrier than for its rivals. Sprint's stock has lost more than 80% of its value since the iPhone hit the market in June 2007. Its debt carries junk-bond ratings. The carrier had more than 52 million subscribers at the end of the second quarter, but many of them were pay-as-you-go customers who typically don't buy the most advanced devices. That compares with 106 million subscribers for Verizon and nearly 99 million for AT&T.

It isn't inconceivable that Sprint could sell the 30.5 million to 32 million iPhones under its commitment to Apple. AT&T and Verizon together sold nearly 12 million iPhones in the first half. At that rate, Sprint could hit 32 million iPhones by capturing a third of U.S. sales.

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To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (52647)4/19/2012 12:40:02 PM
From: clean86   of 54982
 
I also believe that somewhere along the line users are going to get tired of a fixed amount of embedded flash memory in a cell phone or tablet and express their preference for removable SD or microSD cards, giving SNDK at least some additional business.
It would be nice if we could make this happen as end users but I fear that is a pipe dream with respect to iPad and iPhone.

I believe it will be a very long time before Apple changes their model or thinking even with Tim at the helm.

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From: FUBHO4/19/2012 1:00:51 PM
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Intel estimates ultrabook shipments of 20-30 million units in 2012
Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Thursday 19 April 2012]
Intel has internally estimated that ultrabook shipments will reach 20-30 million units in 2012 and the volume in 2013 is expected to double or even triple on year as the integration of the supply chain will be ready, according to sources from the upstream supply chain.

Second-generation ultrabooks are set to launch after May 2012, while hybrid ultrabook models, which combine the design of tablet PCs with ultrabooks, are set to appear in the fourth quarter along with Windows 8.

As for chassis, Intel is cooperating with upstream makers to enhance reinforced plastic chassis to allow them to feature similar sturdiness and quality as metal chassis.

Meanwhile, Intel is also cooperating with optical disc drive makers to develop ultra-thin ODDs for ultrabooks.

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To: brokenst0nes who wrote (52645)4/19/2012 1:16:06 PM
From: Bargain Hunter   of 54982
 
Apple, goes without saying really. Don't see much changing on the handheld side, possible Macbook opportunity.

I agree. Apple has no reason to change their existing strategy for the high-volume iPhone and iPad products where they create their own controllers and buy commodity raw NAND flash. And I hope that SanDisk has more profitable ways to sell NAND than entering that market in a big way. Apple's lower-volume products might provide a mutually-beneficial opportunity such as providing iSSD for Macbooks.

Some people have been suggesting that there is a secret agreement with Apple and have referenced the SEC CT Order filed on Sep 9, 2011 as being related to such an agreement. I did some searching this morning and learned that this CT Order relates only to agreements with Toshiba. The CT Order document indicates that it refers to certain data within exhibits 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5 of the 10-Q filed on 11/12/2010. Looking at the 10-Q shows that those exhibits are:

10.1 FLASH FORWARD MASTER AGREEMENT
10.2 TRANSITION AGREEMENT
10.3 FLASH FORWARD MUTUAL CONTRIBUTION AND ENVIRONMENTAL INDEMNIFICATION AGREEMENT
10.4 PATENT INDEMNIFICATION AGREEMENT
10.5 OPERATING AGREEMENT OF FLASH FORWARD LTD.

Conclusion: there might be a relationship with Apple but the CT Order is not involved.

I continue to suspect that the recent weakness relates to the delay of the Intel Ivy Bridge and its effect on Ultrabook production. Ultrabooks are supposed to have fast boot/restart times and iSSD seems like a good fit. Samsung already has a laptop with claimed fast boot that incorporates something referred to as iSSD. So far I have been unable to verify that it really contains a SanDisk iSSD as opposed to Samsung using the term iSSD in a more generic fashion. I really have no idea how well Ultrabooks will sell, but they ought to comprise a significant portion of whatever remains of the laptop market as iPads eat away at the low end.

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