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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (28460)3/9/2012 9:15:22 PM
From: Geoff Goodfellow   of 29057
 
while it indeed is positively amazing that Iridium's satellites have lasted 3 times as long as planned and to effervesce a severe case of envy of their design, manufacturing, and quality control, The Real Question/Issue of the current (and future 1st generation) Iridium constellation's health/abilities/amazing-ness would be some present day facts & figures on Iridium's extant dropped call rates.

recalling the Raytheon March 25 & 26 2010 31-page presentation -- by via the National Science Foundation funded http://polarpower.org/ website that provides a resource for researchers in choosing, designing, implementing, and maintaining remote power systems in polar environments at polarpower.org 
ala Message 26711272

on [page 9]:

o "First attempt call connection rate varies-80% is a good day"

o Typical Iridium call drop behavior
– Denver to Denver: Nights & Weekends 122 min
– Denver to Denver: Prime Business Hours 30-50 min
– South Pole to Denver (2005): 50-70 min...

also further recalling THAT:

#1.) you couldn't possibly be operating an ISU in a more UNobstructed environment/setup than at these base camps (especially when you see the pictures in the presentation of their antenna masts), and

#2.) you couldn't be operating an ISU in a better/The Most Ideal Iridium covered" area on Planet Earth than in these polar regions -- as that is where Iridium has its most "strength"/"breadth" with the largest number of satellites overhead -- i.e. greatest/bestest "coverage" and redundancy possible [see "Actual Iridium Footprint Over Antarctica" diagram on page 21].

PBS or anyone else got any data/stats/chime-in on how the Iridium call connection rate is presently faring now some ~2 years later?

it will be Really/Most Interesting to see/hear how Iridium "holds up"/fares until their NEXT constellation is launched and operational (say, uh, isn't there a "favor" GSAT is looking/itching to "return" about this time/during this period? :D)

geoff

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To: Geoff Goodfellow who wrote (28461)3/10/2012 3:40:29 PM
From: pcstel1 Recommendation   of 29057
 
I think things look pretty positive.

First both of the GEO MSS providers (Terrestar and DBSD) that were going to bury the LEO crowd are now in process of being disassembled for Terrestrial aspirations.

Lightsquared / Skyterra have announced they will continue under emulation mode until 2015, which means no investment in second generation handsets on the horizon.

Inmarsat is raising prices.

As far as Iridium goes, it is a matter of 'when' not if, they begin to experience wide ranging service difficulties.

Too many sub-systems that WILL degrade over time, especially since we are at 3X expected life.

Solar panels that provide on-orbit power, and charge the on board batteries for periods of eclipse.

Batteries that have a finite amount of charge/discharge cycles. These items WILL have service availability affects over the next 4 years.

Globalstar has, as my understanding goes, the second generation Core Network installed and testing in Milpitas. Installation in Clifton GW scheduled later this year.

Second generation silicon in house, that blows away the feature sets of Iridium's current constellation.

Second generation satellites on-orbit.

Iridium's 10-K had some interesting statements:

Security Issues:

" In addition, there are reportedly private products available in the market today which attempt to unlawfully intercept communications made on our network"


Call Intercept, which will become a HUGE issue for Satellite Phone companies:

"local domestic ownership requirements;"


"significant investments, including the development and deployment of dedicated gateways, as certain countries require physical gateways within their jurisdiction to connect the traffic coming to and from their territory"


"requirements that certain operational activities be performed in-country"




PCSTEL

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To: pcstel who wrote (28462)3/10/2012 3:55:20 PM
From: pcstel   of 29057
 
More IRDM 10-K.....

Our ability to provide service in certain regions is limited by local regulations as some countries, including Russia and China, have specific regulatory requirements such as local domestic ownership requirements or requirements for physical gateways within their jurisdiction to connect traffic coming to and from their territory. While we have had discussions with parties in these countries to satisfy these regulatory requirements, we may not be able to find an acceptable local partner or reach an agreement to develop additional gateways, or the cost of developing and deploying such gateways may be prohibitive, which could impair our ability to expand our product and service offerings in such areas and undermine our value for potential users who require service in these areas. Also, other countries where we already provide service may impose similar requirements, which could restrict our ability to continue to provide service in such countries. The inability to offer to sell our products and services in all major international markets could impair our international growth. In addition, the construction of such gateways in foreign countries may trigger and require us to comply with various U.S. regulatory requirements which may be in tension with or contravene the laws or regulations of the local jurisdiction. Such tensions could limit, delay or otherwise interfere with our ability to construct gateways or other infrastructure or network solutions around the world.


The rules and regulations of the FCC or these foreign authorities may change, and such authorities may adopt regulations that limit or restrict our operations as presently conducted or as we plan to conduct such operations. Such authorities may also make changes in the licenses of our competitors that affect our spectrum.


The provision of satellite-based services and products is subject to downward price pressure when capacity exceeds demand or as a result of aggressive discounting by some operators under financial pressure to expand their respective market share.

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To: pcstel who wrote (28462)3/10/2012 6:38:19 PM
From: Geoff Goodfellow   of 29057
 
agreed! good stuff... thanks PBS!

would you say that Our/GSAT's Most Immediate "punch list" presently is:
- a favorable resolution to The Arbitration Dispute vis-a-vis the t's & c's for some additional 2nd gen satellites;
- a "non rejected" (i.e. "accepted") immediate order for some [6?] additional 2nd gen satellites;
- some additional funding to pay for the additional 2nd gen satellites & for "general corporate purposes";

THEN:
- a Thumbs UP/Good to GO on the 6 extant [4th launch] satellites that have been "returned" to the manufacturer;
- a successful [4th] launch & bringing into operation of Our extant 6 2nd gen satellites (which will then permit),
- the restoration of ATC license/abilities (followed up by),
- an "Open Range", "Lightsquared" (if they still "exist" + have any $ in the kitty), AT&T, ... to utilize/lease the now available/usable/fully complaint licensed ATC spectrum.
...

... all the while signing up droves upon droves of customers to fill up the near empty constellation as well as "Welcoming Home" the return of prior users given that full duplex service is now reliably (and "cheaply") available!

missing/additional items... anyone?

geoff

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To: Geoff Goodfellow who wrote (28464)3/10/2012 10:06:23 PM
From: pcstel   of 29057
 
List looks good,

Overall, I can tell you that the Engineering guys in Milpitas are in Awe of the performance of the new satellites... (outside the momentum wheel issue), but as far as link margin and receiver performance, everything points to way above expectations. As a result, duplex service areas will expand significantly to a point similar to the current Simplex coverage (IMO).

They really need to get 2nd generation services (ground network) up and working (addl. funding) to really put it to Iridium.

Mainly a super small satellite Data (256kbs)/voice module to provide to integrators.

PCSTEL

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To: pcstel who wrote (28465)3/11/2012 5:16:08 AM
From: Geoff Goodfellow   of 29057
 
re: a super small satellite Data (256kbs)/voice module to provide to integrators.

Really Curious to learn what the power efficiency/consumption of said module will be... THAT will then clearly spell/lay out The Battery Beefy-ness/Longevity/Size Requirements/trade off's.

having a 256k data module, say, the size of a thimble (or even the size of the head of a pin :D) would/will be all Wonderful and Good, but it won't do much "sticking" it to The Returning "The Favor" Recipient (and "good" and "wonderful-ness" for The GSAT Customer) if the battery needs to be the size and weight of what's under the hood of Our cars to keep it "alive" and pumpin' for several hours or a days worth of use or whatever.

sure hope The Ground Crew/Manufacture responsible for Subscriber Gear power (and antenna!) sciences and technologies has "progressed"/is as with it and is as keen and well "versed" In Their Doings as with the in Awe of the performance of the new satellites link margin and receiver Manufacture performance is.

any insights/thoughts/opines/... PBS (or anyone else)?

geoff

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To: Geoff Goodfellow who wrote (28466)3/11/2012 1:07:56 PM
From: pcstel   of 29057
 
Well, we know that the antenna for such a device is in progress via the Sarantel report. So the leaves the RF chain, whose ultimate "power draw" will be dependent on the EIRP to maintain the link. EIRP will be effected by the awesomeness of the satellites as well as the Antenna/front end of the modem on the User Terminal.

Lots of other rumors going around including a manufacturer of Earth Station systems that may provide some Vendor Financing for earth station dishes (~40) for the O&O gateways slated for 2nd Gen RANS. (The last part of the RF chain that needs upgraded), as well as potentially interested parties to assume operations of the South African Gateway as were found for the Saudi Gateway. Once they have South Africa, and Saudi on-line, the will effectively cover most of the land areas (minus India). Obviously they will need Simplex hardware installed in Saudi, South Africa, and Argentina.

Others include the transfer of the Globalstar lab from Qualcomm to Milpitas, which might include the transfer of UT inventory.

Other items to remember is that Qualcomm seemed to have a preconception that GEO was the future of MSS. Qualcomm forged agreements with Terrestar/ICO and LIghtsquared to integrate these GEO protocols into their product road map. It appears that most, if not all of those projects have been "stillbirthed", perhaps leaving future opportunities for other satellite partners in the Qualcomm road map?

PCSTEL

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To: pcstel who wrote (28467)3/11/2012 9:26:26 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation   of 29057
 
The future of voice won't be via geostationary satellites. The cost of providing voice via LEO is so low that the inconvenience of the speed of light makes geostationary a permanent problem for voice which is interactive. The whole point of having an actual conversation rather than just leaving a text message or voice-mail is to have low latency interactive conversation.

The value of our brains is so high that having them idling having said "over" while that message trundles all the way out to a satellite arbitrarily distant from Earth and back is too wasteful. Even if geostationary calls are free, people will prefer to pay 1c per minute or 10c per minute or even $1 a minute for the convenience of having a quick conversation with little latency.

In a 3 minute conversation, there is probably about, umm, let's see, 10 swaps of who is talking. If one person inadvertently talks over the other, that's not just time-wasting but highly annoying as the two parties have to then stop, regroup, and figure out who is to talk and who to listen. 10 swaps at 1 second per swap = 10 seconds. At $36 an hour, a person's time is worth 3600c per 3600 seconds or 1c per second. So that would be 10c in actual cost for the three minute conversation. But add the miscues and that doubles to 20c. Put an "annoyance factor" price on there too and it's 50c. It would be better value to pay 30c to make a 3 minute call than have a free one with the voice delay.

Every day I make that decision, preferring to pay for landline calls rather than free Skype calls via voip, simply to avoid the latency and nasty noises. I say "I'll call you back on a landline" if the call is not good. So not only do I incur the call cost, I also prefer to go to the extra time and hassle of making another call. And I'm a cheapskate.

Once a properly designed LEO is launched and sensible pricing is offered, voice via GEO will be an anachronism, dying out faster than analogue and TDMA phones when iPhone-powered mobile Cyberspace is available.

With more and more satellites being launched, and cheaper gateways being installed all over the world, the capacity of a LEO system will be vast and the cost per megabyte/minute very low. So low that very low income people will find it preferable to free GEO. Certainly cheaper than extorquerationate roaming terrestrial charges and maybe even cheaper than terrestrial oligopolists in their home coverage areas. Then there are the technological advantages such as a shorter transmission distance giving better battery life.

Mqurice

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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (28456)3/11/2012 11:40:52 PM
From: pcstel   of 29057
 
> No doubt Globalstar will be greedy and do as with SPOT = sell a few to those who really really want them and everyone else just sees a high-priced gadget with another monthly drain on cash. <

From the SPOT GPS Facebook page.......


Wolfgang Joschko
What is going wrong at SPOT. We have delivery times by 4 to 6 weeks at Germany. Like · Comment · Thursday at 12:00pm ·


SPOT GPS Messenger Wolgang, there is tremendous popularity of the devices. We are trying to crank them out as fast as we can and of course making sure they are high quality!
Friday at 9:02am



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To: pcstel who wrote (28469)3/12/2012 12:29:10 AM
From: Geoff Goodfellow   of 29057
 
oh dear oh dear!!!

what a "nice problem" to have!?

this is "politely known" in Commercial Parlance as a SUCCESS DISASTER.

lookin' forward to A LOT MORE of 'em (and, of course, returning "Favors", with "interest", to "The Dearly Deserved"!),

love,
geoff

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